Pro/Con View: Does the cool spring undermine the theory of global warming?

May 6, 2013 Full story: The Beaumont Enterprise 10

Southeast Texas just had some of the coolest temperatures for April that it's seen in decades, and May hasn't been a scorcher so far either.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 May 6, 2013
Nope. The cool temperatures of the central US just illustrate the climate changes that AGW bring. It weakens the jet stream so that it can bend farther south or north thus bringing in colder or warmer temperatures.

And the 'Rosby Wave' of winds blowing over the Rockies tends to make it buckle southward in the plains abutting the Rockies while looping far northward in the eastern part (i.e Ontario).

This message was brought to you by the polluters that still emit CO2 as if it were 'harmless'.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#2 May 7, 2013
"Pro/Con View: Does the cool spring undermine the theory of global warming?"

No, weather happens.

The fact that we are experiencing cooler temps that were predicted to start in this time period due to low solar activity does make global warming from CO2 a bit questionable.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3 May 7, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
weather happens.
Back to the worshipers of trees and rocks I see. Or are you sophisticated enough to have invented angry gods quarreling among themselves to explain fires, earthquakes, thunder, floods, etc.?
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#4 May 7, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Back to the worshipers of trees and rocks I see. Or are you sophisticated enough to have invented angry gods quarreling among themselves to explain fires, earthquakes, thunder, floods, etc.?
'Angry gods'? Maybe an angry poster, but I doubt the 'gods' are doing much more than laughing.

The fact that we are experiencing cooler temps that were predicted (by scientists, not 'angry gods') to start in this time period due to low solar activity does make global warming from CO2 a bit questionable.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#5 May 7, 2013
Deniers are questionable.

Carbon dioxide emissions have been altering the climate since the Industrial Revolution, some 200 years ago, though it took us a while to figure that out. NASA scientist James Hansen first warned Congress about the dangers of greenhouse gases in 1988.

But an earlier climate warning came five decades previous, way back in 1938. Thatís when Guy Stewart Callendar, an engineer specializing in steam and power generation, published a paper that theorized that carbon dioxide emissions from industrial activity could have a greenhouse effect. His prescient paper appeared in the quarterly journal of the Royal Meteorological Society.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#6 May 7, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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The fact that we are experiencing cooler temps that were predicted (by scientists, not 'angry gods') to start in this time period due to low solar activity does make global warming from CO2 a bit questionable.
It is not the ccurrent science which sees that the current pause in AIR temperatures is NOT caused by changes to the sun, but by La-Nina. And that AGW is increasing the thermal energy content of the Earths Surface (mostly in the oceans) right on schedule. It means that the trend in air temperatures will return as soon as La-Nina settles into El_Nino.

And no. We have detected NO *significant* change in either solar activity or the rate of rise of temperatures from greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Certainly nothing on the scale of AGW.

But you keep believing in your 'angry gods' which are going to prove you right, and keep ignoring the mainstream science that tells you that you are a fool. Your record is, so far, zero. But that is to be expected when someone bases their expectations on quarreling gods and Contrarian studies instead of cause and effect. Or did you misquote even them?
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#7 May 8, 2013
So is La Nina more impactful than CO2. CO2 is still steadily going up, temps are low. If La Nina can cause temps to drop when CO2 is up, then La Nina must be the 'heavy hitter' in the equation.

If La Nina can cause the temps to drop, then was it really El Nino that caused them to increase?

Altho meant to be somewhat silly, the answer is yes. La Nina and El Nino will cause temp variations that CO2 just can't overcome.

The ENSO is part of a larger system, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. Yes the PDO is much more impactful than CO2.

When it was positive from 1977 to 2002/7 we had increasing temps and more El Ninos. There were still La Ninas during the same time period, but in a positive PDO, the El Nino rules.

Now we are in a negative PDO expect to continue for the next 25 years in this mode and the La Nina will be queen of the prom during this phase.

Here's the kicker. When the sun is in high actitivy during the positive phase of the PDO, it enhances the impact of the El Ninos. Makes them more powerful.

Our sun was in very high activity in the last half the the 20th century with the three cycles 21,22, and 23 being very high TSI,SSN values. The El Ninos were roaring.

The same phase that makes the El Ninos roar, mitigates the La Ninas. So the cooling effects of the La Nina during the 1979 to 2002/7 phase were mitigated by the very hot sun.

Now we are in very low solar activity and the PDO is negative. The La Ninas will be more impactful during this phase because the low solar activity will not mitigate their cooling power. It will mitigate the warming power of the El Ninos.

Like it or not, AGW is on hiatus. Maybe to return, maybe not.

We'll see.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#8 May 8, 2013
No 'angry gods' at work here.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#9 May 8, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
No 'angry gods' at work here.
We'll see... you keep saying that as if the facts could be changed by some powerful entity to please you. So your denial is just part of it.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#10 May 8, 2013
About Arctic Ocean acidification:

http://vimeo.com/groups/189916/videos/6551234...

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