Deniers Have Blood On Their Hands

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Northie

Spokane, WA

#1 Jul 17, 2012
For those who think climate disaster is merely fun to debate...

"Every major science academy in the world has reported that global warming is real. Still, the deniers persist, and human lives are lost. Many more are at risk. Lets be clear about this: Politicians...bear full responsibility. They already have blood on their hands. They are doing anything but upholding their constitutional duty to promote the general welfare of the people..."

http://tinyurl.com/78xk4ec

(He might have also mentioned that the vast majority of those killed by climate change each year are not Americans.)
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#2 Jul 17, 2012
Repeat necessary:

They are doing anything but upholding their constitutional duty to promote the general welfare of the people.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/colum...

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#3 Jul 17, 2012
No blood on my hands, Nauseous, I'm sceptical of the power of CO2 and the numbers bandied around for AGW.
Plus, no matter what litesout says, I've never killed an injun.
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NB: Not one death recorded can be directly linked to the 0.74C of Glowbull warming.

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#4 Jul 17, 2012
Nauseous wrote:
the vast majority of those killed by climate change each year are not Americans.)
You really are a crazy coot.
Cite some deaths that can be directly linked to climate change?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#5 Jul 17, 2012
According to best research, climate change kills between 150,000 and 300,000 per year, and the number is rising. Increasing drought and heat waves are the top direct killers, while the wars they engender are probably number two.

Remember the 2010 Russian heat wave and drought that killed 15,000 directly, destroying the world's largest export wheat crop and touching off food riots across North Africa and the Middle East, which ignited the ongoing Arab Spring civil wars?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...
litesong

Everett, WA

#6 Jul 17, 2012
steenking piddling diddlijng middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
NB: Not one death recorded can be directly linked to the 0.74C of Global warming.
Lots of people die, who would have been survivors, if the temperature had been 0.74degC lower..... &/or over a shorter period of time..... &/or the flooding water would have been a bit lower.... or hadn't have risen so fast..... &/or the frost thawing hadn't have been so severe as to wreck their homes.... &/or the usual sea bounty of life hadn't have migrated.....&/or the extra CO2 atmospheric retained energy hadn't have driven the cold arctic front so far south onto human populated regions......

Yeah, when "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" don't never survey the deaths, he done don't nver unnerstant the dead or there numbers..... prime requisite for a denier.

A'so, et helps when AGW deniers likum "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" don't never mind its eddy-kation & done don't get no hi skule deegreee.

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#7 Jul 17, 2012
Nauseous wrote:
According to best research, climate change kills between 150,000 and 300,000 per year, and the number is rising. Increasing drought and heat waves are the top direct killers, while the wars they engender are probably number two.
Remember the 2010 Russian heat wave and drought that killed 15,000 directly, destroying the world's largest export wheat crop and touching off food riots across North Africa and the Middle East, which ignited the ongoing Arab Spring civil wars?
None of those problems were caused by "climate change," they were caused by "climate" alone, which has been around since god was a boy.

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#8 Jul 17, 2012
litesout wrote:
if the temperature had been 0.74degC lower....
We'd be back in LIA conditions and a lot more than a few hundred thousand people would die each year.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#9 Jul 17, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>None of those problems were caused by "climate change," they were caused by "climate" alone, which has been around since god was a boy.
I see Earthing's ability to read headlines is diminishing. Here it is again:

"Climate change 'kills 300,000 every year': Three hundred thousand people are already dying every year as a result of global warming, according to the most comprehensive report ever on the human impact of climate change"

Note: climate change is at fault, not merely climate. That means WE are at fault.

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#10 Jul 18, 2012
Nauseous believes everything he reads if it's about suffering and death caused by Glowbull warming.
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"The Indian famine of 18991900 began with the failure of the summer monsoons in 1899 over west and Central India and, during the next year, affected an area of 476,000 square miles (1,230,000 km2) and a population of 59.5 million."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_famine_of...
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Drought in Australia

1803 Drought in NSW that produced severe crop failures.
1809 Beginning of an unusually severe drought in NSW that continued until 1811.
1813-15 Severe drought in NSW that prompted searches for new pastures.
1826-29 Severe drought in NSW that caused Lake George to dry up and the Darling River to cease flowing.[4]

Since 1860, when adequate meteorological recording commenced, the most severe droughts have occurred commonly at intervals of 11 to 14 years. Major droughts that were recorded later in the 19th century include:

1829 Major drought in Western Australia with very little water available.[5]

1835 and 1838 Sydney and NSW receive 25% less rain than usual. Severe drought in Northam and York areas of Western Australia.
1838-39 Droughts in South Australia and Western Australia
1839 Severe drought in the west and north of Spencer Gulf, South Australia.
1846 Severe drought converted the interior and far north of South Australia into an arid desert.
1849 Sydney received about 27 inches less rain than normal.
1850 Severe drought, with big losses of livestock across inland New South Wales (NSW) and around the western rivers region.
1864 - 66 (and 1868). The little data available indicates that this drought period was rather severe in Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales, Queensland and Western Australia.
1877 All States affected by severe drought, with disastrous losses in Queensland. In Western Australia many native trees died, swamps dried up and crops failed.
1880 to 1886 Drought in Victoria (northern areas and Gippsland); New South Wales (mainly northern wheat belt, Northern Tablelands and south coast); Queensland (188186, in south-east with breaks - otherwise mainly in coastal areas, the central highlands and central interior in 1883-86); and South Australia (188486, mainly in agricultural areas).
1888 Extremely dry in Victoria (northern areas and Gippsland); Tasmania (1887-89 in the south); New South Wales had the driest year since records began; Queensland (188889) had a very severe drought, with much native scrub dying and native animals perishing; South Australia had one of its most severe droughts; and Western Australia (central agricultural areas) lost many sheep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Austr...

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#11 Jul 18, 2012
Nauseous wrote:
Note: climate change is at fault, not merely climate.
For how long has "climate change" been at fault?
Nauseous wrote:
That means WE are at fault.
"We" are to blame for everything, that I do understand.
Now explain this:
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Climate of death in colonial politics
Brian Fagan says lessons should be learnt from 19th-century disasters.

Global warming caused by humans, El Nios, monsoon failures and unprecedented rainfall in Europe - we live in environmentally unstable times. We are now discovering that the Victorians did as well. What we know as El Nio-Southern Oscillation (Enso) events - named after seesaw-like oscillations of ocean temperature and air pressure in the east-central Pacific - have long shifted rainfall and wind patterns without warning throughout the tropics, causing monsoons to fail. We know, for example, that...
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.a...

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#12 Jul 18, 2012
Even the figures are daunting. The great drought of 1875-76 affected northern China, North Africa and the tropical monsoon belt. Renewed famine followed this global subsistence crisis in 1888-89. A third of the population of Ethiopia and Sudan perished. Famine raged over much of Russia, India and Korea. In 1896-1901, the monsoons failed yet again. Catastrophic epidemics decimated tropical populations from northeast Brazil, across the tropics and into northern China.
And all caused by glowbull warming, no doubt?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#13 Jul 18, 2012
So we shouldn't worry about the deaths of an extra 3 million per decade, and rising?

Yes, the deaths of millions are merely statistics. Very easy to dismiss and ignore, especially for someone like you.

But, tonight, when you turn in, imagine the blood of those millions filling your home...think of drowning in it as it gushes red from your windows and flows thickly down the streets. Think about that.

Sweet dreams, you heartless old sociopath.

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#14 Jul 18, 2012
Nauseous, you're doing a bad impression of Fat Al.
People who die from weather extremes don't bleed.
But take heart, dearest, since around 1920, 98% fewer people are dying from extreme weather.
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Extreme Weather Events Are Killing Fewer People Than Ever Before
The worldwide death rate from weather happenings has dropped over 98 percent since the 1920s
http://reason.org/news/show/extreme-weather-k...
Northie

Spokane, WA

#15 Jul 18, 2012
And, in addition to the 3 million who'll die by climate change over the coming decade, let's not forget the economic cost, calculated by the GHF study to be more than $1.2 trillion, rising to $3 trillion per decade by the 2030s, and considerably more beyond that.

Recall that the Stern Review forecasts annual costs that could top 20% of global GDP before the century is out.

That's one hell of a tax, in both blood and treasure. A permanent major depression, in fact; enough hardship to virtually guarantee huge upheaval and major wars. And just imagine the weapons that will exist then, as if today's aren't horrific enough.

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Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#16 Jul 18, 2012
Famous droughts

18th and 19th centuries, Cape Verde

Three droughts were responsible for over 100,000 starvation deaths. These droughts spurred the migration of much of the population to locations such as New England, to participate in the whaling industry.

1900, India

250,000 to 3.25 million died from drought, starvation and disease.

1921-22, Soviet Union

In the Ukraine and Volga regions, 250,000 to 5 million perished from starvation due to drought. In contrast, the Holodomor famine of 1932-33 in the same region was due to policies implemented under Stalin.

1928-30, northwest China

Famine resulted in over 3 million deaths.

1936, Sichuan Province, China

This was the worst drought in the modern history of the area. 34 million farmers were displaced and 5 million people starved.

1930-37, United States and Canada

Three waves of drought during this time are collectively referred to as "the Dust Bowl". Because of several factors including the coincidence of the dustbowl and the Great Depression, this drought had a severe impact on the U.S. and Canada, resulting in entire districts of the American and Canadian Great Plains being depopulated as people were forced to leave. These migrants became the "Okies" whose experience was recorded in literature and song of the period.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#17 Jul 19, 2012
Northie wrote:
So we shouldn't worry about the deaths of an extra 3 million per decade, and rising?
Yes, the deaths of millions are merely statistics. Very easy to dismiss and ignore, especially for someone like you.
But, tonight, when you turn in, imagine the blood of those millions filling your home...think of drowning in it as it gushes red from your windows and flows thickly down the streets. Think about that.
Sweet dreams, you heartless old sociopath.
3 million extra deaths? Do you have any way of backing that up?

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#18 Jul 19, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
3 million extra deaths? Do you have any way of backing that up?
You must be joking.
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Northie

Spokane, WA

#19 Jul 19, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
3 million extra deaths? Do you have any way of backing that up?
If you're going to leap into the middle of a thread about a study, perhaps you should first read the study.

http://www.ghf-ge.org/human-impact-report.pdf

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#20 Jul 20, 2012
There's no such thing as a perfect climate, never has been, never will be.
If there was, ever wealthy person on the planet would be living where it is.
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Meanwhile, for some unknown reason, Nauseous ignores the scale of 19th and early 20th century drought and concentrates on what 'might' happen in the future.

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