DUH. That means they differ in their techniques or methods.<quoted text>
All that 'proves' is that there's no "consensus" on hurricane predictions.
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#38656 Aug 30, 2013
#38657 Aug 30, 2013
HUH. They have programmed choice icons for any post from me.
Is there an editor in the building?
P.S. Isn't the EU passport cover cranberry color?
Since: Mar 09
#38658 Aug 30, 2013
Of course uneducated people know more than educated folks do....LOL you are so smart....
#38659 Aug 30, 2013
"Once slow moving threat, global warming SPEEDS UP...."
The above premise is false and those who are/have defended it are/were wrong.
The oddest thing though... these same people now deny the experts' conclusion that warming has NOT been speeding up. Their belief in the face of this reality maintains their "faith" that accelerating warming was happening then and is continuing to this day.
Without my participation in these AGW threads I suspect I may not have noticed the nature of this faith-based belief system.
May your faith give you peace of mind.
#38660 Aug 30, 2013
You are drinking again. How's your health? Get a checkup.
Hope you have insurance.
#38661 Aug 30, 2013
Why don't you make corrections to your post?[I'm assuming you might have learned a little in the past five years.]
#38662 Aug 30, 2013
Read this carefully, it should help you:
[T]he first decade of the 21st century was the hottest based on records kept since the 1880s -- and it included record heat waves in Russia and the US as well as a precipitous meltdown of Arctic sea ice and surging sea level rise. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 touched 400 parts per million on Mauna Loa in May, a first in the time line of human existence. A cooler Pacific stuck in a La Niña rut may have restrained global warming for the past decade or so, Xie notes, but it is unlikely to last. "This effect of natural variability will be averaged out over a period of 100 years," he says, "and cannot argue away the threat of persistent anthropogenic warming that is occurring now."[scientific american]
#38663 Aug 30, 2013
The warming gods will impose punitive action on heretics like you. Be prepared to hand over your savings AND your first born son for that comment.
#38664 Aug 30, 2013
Is that it?
First sentence: non sequitur
Second sentence: Fine thank you for asking, Mr. Blues.
Third and forth sentence: humor?
Fifth sentence: convincing counterpoint which supports the idea that there is such a thing as CAGW!!!
#38665 Aug 30, 2013
Thank you so much!
Yes, your "Cut 'n Paste"' is EXTREMELY helpful.
#38666 Aug 30, 2013
You know what's funny? YOU!
What a bunch of BS, the stuff you spout, trying to distract from the reality.
The Earth IS warming.
WE are the reason.
It's going to get worse.
There are things we can do about it.
#38667 Aug 30, 2013
Strike two ... questioning the enthusiasm of an alarmist. You'll burn in hell before the nights over at this rate.
#38668 Aug 30, 2013
Fifth sentence? There is no fifth sentence. You here confirm that you are drinking.
I wonder how you are because you cannot even count. You referred to five sentences of mine when there are only four.
Since: Apr 08
"the green troll"
#38669 Aug 30, 2013
Tiresome is not a virtue.
Since: Jul 13
#38670 Aug 30, 2013
Antarctica Ice is staying about the same, the reason for this is well covered in the State of the Climate Report, But, briefly it's say's:
The Antarctica continent is huge, most of the Ice set's on Land, unlike the Sea Ice of the artic. Antarctica is so big it creates an environment of it's own. It is surrounded by a regimen of rotating storms that essentially isolate it from the rest of the world's climate influences. That said, the overall condition of the Antarctica continent is consistent with a warming planet.
The Himalayan glaciers are retreating, not as fast as once predicted, but retreating non the less.
In the Artic the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center. Shows the summer ice extent has declined by 13% each decade since the ice was first monitored in 1979.
97% of the Greenland Icecap shows sign's of duress (melting).
The lack of or increase in hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fires, extreme weather. Does not really concern me.
Temperatures are NOT at a stand still where it counts .. in the Artic ..
The temperature range that we enjoy today, a range that allows us to create habitat's, grow food and survive is a relatively small range. A change of 30 or 40 degrees in any direction would be the end of life as we know it. Tempatures are steadly riseing, including the last fifteen years. Personally I've never heard the phrase "snow is a thing of the past" Why anyone would deny the obvious is beyond me.
I have been to Antarctica, the Artic and every Ocean on the face of the planet as well as most continents.
Last year I sailed a small sailboat North of Canada, talked with other ship Captains, Amateur9846 sailors, fisherman and the local population.
As we sit at our puters and cut&paste bullshit the planet is dying, like Nero did.
#38671 Aug 31, 2013
OMG...and you call me dense. LOL
#38672 Aug 31, 2013
I just love it when someone pops in and doesn't even know what was being referred to in my post. My post was about botched predictions and science. I suggest you read my comment to BOZO aka Dr. Bozo PhD regarding that post:
Oh and by the way, you need to update your talking points on the Antarctic sea ice. I realize it's hard to keep up, but now the talking point is that the AGW scientists always predicted that Antarctic sea ice would increase. So you can either go along with that or start arguing with the AGW scientists, it's up to you how you want to handle that.
"Antarctic sea ice extent in mid-August reached a record or near-record level high at 18.7 million square kilometers, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center External Non-U.S. government site. The positive growth of total sea ice extent around Antarctica, which averages 18 million square kilometers at the height of winter, is part of a long-term trend and is consistent with how scientists believe climate change affects the southernmost continent.
#38673 Aug 31, 2013
Since Keven Trenberth has redefined AGW as roving hot spots, i.e. weather, I thought I would just share some roving cold spots:
Snow in 113 Santa Catarina cities.“The record snow for sure is historic , because never in our files , we have the record of the phenomenon in so many cities,” says weatherman Marcelo Martins.
Peru’s government has declared a state of emergency in parts of the southern Andean region of Puno hit with the coldest temperatures in a decade, daily El Comercio reported. President Ollanta Humala announced the emergency for seven provinces in Puno – Carabaya, Sandia, Lampa, San Antonio de Putina, Melgar, Puno and El Collao.
Hundreds of families have been affected and more than 250,000 alpacas have died due to freezing temperatures and snow storms. Passengers on buses running between Puno and Arequipa were forced to wait some eight to 10 hours on the icy highways at temperatures of minus 15 degrees Celsius.
Residents of San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, a desert city 750 miles (1,200 km) north of Santiago, say the weekend snow was the heaviest in three decades.
A very well organised and unusual storm for late August.”“…this looks to be a very well organised and unusual storm for late August even though this fairly high latitude can and does seen deep lows at this time of year. It’s the cold that comes with it which could well grab weather headlines this weekend bringing a rare late August snowstorm to Iceland.
While some snow is not that unusual in Tasmania at this time of the year the temperatures were unusually low with it being the coldest August day in 41 years for the capital , Hobart At -0.4C, Hobart was one of the coldest places in Tasmania, but the freezing temperatures were widespread — Launceston fell to -2.5C and Liawenee -7.6C.
And while the icy start made life miserable for many, skiers rejoiced.“It’s absolutely fantastic, the best cover we’ve had for years,” Felicity Foot, operator of ski equipment hire firm Ben Lomond Snow Sports, said of the snow.
Two decades of unprecedented global warming has left Arctic ice almost the same as 20 years ago in 1993.
#38674 Aug 31, 2013
The 'rest of the story'
A total of 67 SMB records from the AIS over the last 800 yr
were analysed to assess the temporal variability of accu-
mulation rates. The temporal and spatial variability of the
SMB over the previous 800 yr indicates that SMB changes
over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible and do not
exhibit an overall clear trend. This result is in accordance
with the results presented by Monaghan et al.(2006), which
demonstrate statistically insignificant changes in the SMB
over the past 50 yr.
However, a clear increase in accumulation
of more than 10 %(> 300 kg m −2 yr −1) has occurred in high-
SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East
Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s.
The decadal records of
previous centuries show that the observed increase in accu-
mulation is not anomalous at the continental scale, that high-
accumulation periods also occurred during the 1370s and
1610s, and that the current SMB is not significantly differ-
ent from that over the last 800 yr.
The differences in behaviour between the coastal/ice di-
vide sites and the rest of Antarctica could be explained by the
higher frequency of blocking anticyclones, which increase
precipitation at coastal sites and lead to the advection of
moist air at the highest areas, while blowing snow and/or
erosion have reduced the SMB at windy sites.
years of stacked SMB records mimic the total solar irradi-
ance during the 13th and 18th centuries, suggesting a link
between the southern Tropical Pacific and the atmospheric
circulation in Antarctica through the generation and propa-
gation of a large-scale atmospheric wave train.
Minor changes in the earth’s radiation budget may pro-
foundly affect the atmospheric circulation and SMB of
To predict future trends in the ice sheet mass bal-
ance, models must reliably reproduce the SMB patterns of
the 2000s and the recent past (at the year-long and millennial
scales). Future scenarios provided by global climate models
suggest that Antarctic snow precipitation should increase in
a warming climate but that snow accumulation is primarily
driven by atmospheric circulation; these increases could be
offset by enhanced loss due to wind blowing ablation."
A synthesis of the Antarctic surface mass balance during the last
, C. Scarchilli
, S. Becagli
, M. Proposito
, and S. Urbini
You really should reference this stuff.
#38675 Aug 31, 2013
"This result is in accordance
with the results presented by Monaghan et al.(2006), which demonstrate statistically insignificant changes in the SMB over the past 50 yr."
Actually the above referenced paper is on snowfall. There has been no significant increase in snowfall in the last 50 years.
August 2006 > Monaghan et al., 313 (5788): 827-831
Thermo Fisher Scientific
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Science 11 August 2006:
Vol. 313 no. 5788 pp. 827-831
Insignificant Change in Antarctic Snowfall Since the International Geophysical Year
Andrew J. Monaghan1,*,
David H. Bromwich1,
Ryan L. Fogt1,
Paul A. Mayewski3,
Daniel A. Dixon3,
Susan D. Kaspari3,
Vin I. Morgan8,
Tas D. Van Ommen8,
Cornelius J. Van der Veen2,
Antarctic snowfall exhibits substantial variability over a range of time scales, with consequent impacts on global sea level and the mass balance of the ice sheets. To assess how snowfall has affected the thickness of the ice sheets in Antarctica and to provide an extended perspective, we derived a 50-year time series of snowfall accumulation over the continent by combining model simulations and observations primarily from ice cores. There has been no statistically significant change in snowfall since the 1950s, indicating that Antarctic precipitation is not mitigating global sea level rise as expected, despite recent winter warming of the overlying atmosphere."
You should read this stuff before you post.
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