LETTERS: Students urge action on global warming

From the link:
"Some students at East Junior High School in Wisconsin Rapids recently sent letters to the editor with their views on the topic. Here are some of their essays."

Do School kids have any real wisdom and knowledge? No, they are like parrots repeating what they learn. They sing and dance like Brittney, Hanna Montana etc.

"there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. "
http://www.mwilliams.info/archive/2006/07/sci...

Scholastic Accused of Indoctrinating Kids on Global Warming
Scholastic, the venerable children’s publisher and the U.S. company behind Harry Potter, has published books for school children for generations. But the publishing company’s forthcoming book on global warming may have crossed the line from information into manipulation.
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

""Hollywood recruits kids to fight climate change."
It isn't every day that someone admits that they are basically out to indoctrinate children with an ideological position, but Helen Andrews of Politico.com reports to us just such an admission from the globaloney forces in Hollywood.
Not only do they intend to brainwash our children (and already are, for that matter) with their ...
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-...

"it's perfectly normal for apparently sane people to walk around protesting about global warming in sub-zero temperatures. Or, as the Canadian Press reported:
"Montreal - tens of thousands of people ignored frigid temperatures Saturday to lead a worldwide day of protest against global warming....

the shivering eco-warriors sang:
"It's hot in here! There's too much carbon in the atmosphere!" Is this the first sign of the "New Ice Age"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml...

JRS

ps feeding kids "storm porn"

Hollywood Style Weather Reports Incite Global Warming Fears

In the midst of all the recent global warming alarmism, have you considered the role that the "Hollywoodation" of weather reporting has played?

After all, much as news reporting has become more and more geared towards titillation in the past couple of decades, so has the media's presentation of climate events, especially extreme ones like Hurricane Katrina.

With this in mind, it only seems logical that the over-hyped coverage of all things weather-related has added to the nation's fear of global warming irrespective of whether or not such fears are warranted.

Such was certainly suggested in an article published in Saturday's Toronto Star which accused American media of

being prone to "storm porn"

Has the weather gone Hollywood?

In an effort to grab higher ratings and boost advertising in a fiercely competitive market, some television stations are being accused of exaggerating, dare we say hyping, their weather forecasts.

Crippling ice storms, devastating tsunamis and powerful hurricanes enthral viewers like a drawn-out O.J. Simpson trial or the heart-wrenching ....

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/20...

JRS

continued: kids repeat what they are fed:

Gosh "global warming" art project Why not call it the environment religion art project? Mind conditioning.

Global warming subject for art students

HALLOWELL — The Kennebec Art Association will host an exhibit of work by Maine art students focusing on global warming and the environment, association officials announced.

The opening reception for the exhibit is scheduled to be held at the Harlow Gallery on Friday from 5-8 p.m. featuring art students from around the state.

The exhibit, entitled “Informed Choices: Global Warming,” will be on display for two weeks, Jan. 18-Feb. 3, association Executive Director Deborah Fahy said.

The exhibit is being curated by University of Maine at Augusta art student Ted Closson, they said. Dylan Voorhees, energy project director for the Natural Resources Council of Maine, will speak at the opening Friday evening.

Closson has been a student at the University of Maine at Augusta since 2004 and is a senior this year. Other participating artists include Mike Dworkin, Patrick P. Fagre, Tim Hoffman, Meredith Keene, Barbara MacKirnon, Karen Kelly-Philbrick, Paul Philbrick, Leslie Pratt, Vellangi Stringus, and Masha Ben-Tepherith.

Artists participating in the program will accept donations during the exhibition to be used to purchase offsets for the carbon fuels and other materials used by the gallery in the form of renewable-energy credits. The money from the credits is invested in renewable energy projects, program planners explained.

Gallery hours are Friday, Saturday and Sunday, noon to 6 p.m.

http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/020720.htm...

JRS

ps - Tired of kids being fed a steady diet of global warming hysteria?

It’s a new year, and the kids in your life are back in class. Unfortunately, right along with school probably comes indoctrination about global warming. What better time for a video/essay contest that highlights the absurdities, untruths and downright lies that our kids are being taught about “climate change” in school?

“As a parent of two grade-schoolers and a natural resources policy expert, I’ve heard some whoppers about global warming,” says author Holly Fretwell, whose book The Sky’sNot Falling: Why It’s OK To Chill About Global Warming (ISBN 0976726947, Kids Ahead, for ages 8 and up) was written to set the record straight.“If you’re as tired as I am of the environmental bill of goods our kids are being handed at school, now’s your chance to tell the world!”

In The Sky’s Not Falling, Holly Fretwell gets kids excited about science and economics, and shows that it’s human ingenuity combined with an “enviropreneurial” spirit that will lead us to a bright environmental future, not government programs controlled by giant, growth-killing bureaucracies.

Feel the same way? Then share your funny, unbelievable, infuriating or just weird stories about greenie overreach and kids. The top videos and essays will win cash, prizes and books.

Visit http://www.worldahead.com/titles/sky_contest_... for more information and enter The Sky’s Not Falling: Why It’s OK to Chill About Global Warming contest today. Contest ends Feb. 15, 2008.

A Washington Post article finally stated that the Democrats’ current global warming proposals “will require a wholesale transformation of the nation’s economy and society.” Democratic candidates’ climate proposals would “cost billions of dollars”...while doing exactly nothing to fix the “problem,” if indeed there is one.

In The Sky’s Not Falling: Why It’s OK To Chill About Global Warming, natural resources policy expert Holly Fretwell shows kids 8-12 that it’s human ingenuity and adaptability - not government control and a mindless fear of change - that are most likely to guarantee the Earth a healthy future.

• Appropriate for ages 8-up
• The author is a mother of two
• Peer reviewed to ensure accuracy
• Provides a balanced look at a complex issue
• A refreshing, accessible combination of science and economics

Sure, our planet is changing, but it has before and will again.There’s a lot more to the climate change story than your kids may have heard! Can we really adapt to a changing world in ways that help animals and the environment while keeping people working and countries growing strong? As The Sky’sNot Falling: Why It’s OK To Chill About Global Warming shows, of course we can.

Available now online and at major bookstores.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...

Ted Closson

Yeah, this is the student whose press release you decided to use to make your point about brainwashing. I am not a child, nor am I a fool (which is why I'm not falling for anything you just wrote above).I have a father who taught earth science for 30 years who made certain his children understood certain things. He is an intelligent, educated and thoughtful man. I was raised very much to think about the world around myself in an empirical way. To question the things that I encountered. That is what the scientific method is all about. Science doesn't prove things (though people who don't understand it often think that it does), it only fails to disprove them. How is it that there is a consensus in the scientific community and yet it remains a debate amongst the press (not scientists), politicians (also not scientists) and the public (not known in general for their expertise in climatology). These are the same groups from which those who claim falseness regarding the astronauts landing on the moon, the roundness of the earth and the ideas of a Copernican system.

Fifty people just died in those tornadoes across the South. There are snow and typhoons in places in where there haven't been in all of recorded weather history. People are dying- in our own country- right now- because of climate change. I'm not talking about ocean levels, or migratory changes of some species on its way out of extinction. I'm talking about human beings killed in catastrophic storms the likes of which we haven't seen. Diseases spread by insects like the Asian Tiger mosquito (already in Maryland) and viruses normally attributed to warmer climates the likes of which you think only exist in third world countries. Now we can probably survive all of those things (I live in Maine you live in Wisconsin, we might be okay for a while), but we are not invincible. You can't run from this, or hide from it. Sticking your fingers in your ears or shoving your head in the sand will not alter the truth of this and thankfully decisions are not left in the hands of people like you.

But the fact remains that you have ill used my efforts and should answer for it. To that I say this: You embarrass me. And you embarrass yourself.

Ted Closson

Yeah, this is the student whose press release you decided to use to make your point about brainwashing. I am not a child, nor am I a fool (which is why I'm not falling for anything you just wrote above).I have a father who taught earth science for 30 years who made certain his children understood certain things. He is an intelligent, educated and thoughtful man. I was raised very much to think about the world around myself in an empirical way. To question the things that I encountered. That is what the scientific method is all about. Science doesn't prove things (though people who don't understand it often think that it does), it only fails to disprove them. How is it that there is a consensus in the scientific community and yet it remains a debate amongst the press (not scientists), politicians (also not scientists) and the public (not known in general for their expertise in climatology). These are the same groups from which those who claim falseness regarding the astronauts landing on the moon, the roundness of the earth and the ideas of a Copernican system.
Fifty people just died in those tornadoes across the South. There are snow and typhoons in places in where there haven't been in all of recorded weather history. People are dying- in our own country- right now- because of climate change. I'm not talking about ocean levels, or migratory changes of some species on its way out of extinction. I'm talking about human beings killed in catastrophic storms the likes of which we haven't seen. Diseases spread by insects like the Asian Tiger mosquito (already in Maryland) and viruses normally attributed to warmer climates the likes of which you think only exist in third world countries. Now we can probably survive all of those things (I live in Maine you live in Wisconsin, we might be okay for a while), but we are not invincible. You can't run from this, or hide from it. Sticking your fingers in your ears or shoving your head in the sand will not alter the truth of this and thankfully decisions are not left in the hands of people like you.
But the fact remains that you have ill used my efforts and should answer for it. To that I say this: You embarrass me. And you embarrass yourself.

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JRS wrote:

In The Sky’s Not Falling, Holly Fretwell gets kids excited about science and economics, and shows that it’s human ingenuity combined with an “enviropreneurial” spirit that will lead us to a bright environmental future, not government programs controlled by giant, growth-killing bureaucracies.

Here's to knowing your enemy, btw.

Quote from Amazon.com review of above book:

The author, Holly Fretwell is a research associate with the Property and Environment Research Center working off of a sizable grant from Exxon-Mobile. What else would you expect?

Read the rest of them:
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/09767269...

The Truth Matters

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Ted Closson wrote:

Yeah, this is the student whose press release you decided to use to make your point about brainwashing. I am not a child, nor am I a fool (which is why I'm not falling for anything you just wrote above).I have a father who taught earth science for 30 years who made certain his children understood certain things. He is an intelligent, educated and thoughtful man. I was raised very much to think about the world around myself in an empirical way. To question the things that I encountered. That is what the scientific method is all about. Science doesn't prove things (though people who don't understand it often think that it does), it only fails to disprove them. How is it that there is a consensus in the scientific community and yet it remains a debate amongst the press (not scientists), politicians (also not scientists) and the public (not known in general for their expertise in climatology). These are the same groups from which those who claim falseness regarding the astronauts landing on the moon, the roundness of the earth and the ideas of a Copernican system.
Fifty people just died in those tornadoes across the South. There are snow and typhoons in places in where there haven't been in all of recorded weather history. People are dying- in our own country- right now- because of climate change. I'm not talking about ocean levels, or migratory changes of some species on its way out of extinction. I'm talking about human beings killed in catastrophic storms the likes of which we haven't seen. Diseases spread by insects like the Asian Tiger mosquito (already in Maryland) and viruses normally attributed to warmer climates the likes of which you think only exist in third world countries. Now we can probably survive all of those things (I live in Maine you live in Wisconsin, we might be okay for a while), but we are not invincible. You can't run from this, or hide from it. Sticking your fingers in your ears or shoving your head in the sand will not alter the truth of this and thankfully decisions are not left in the hands of people like you.
But the fact remains that you have ill used my efforts and should answer for it. To that I say this: You embarrass me. And you embarrass yourself.

What a load of crap. It seems you were brainwashed first, now it's time to pass it on.

Storms are not worse. Rain and snow have fallen in places that have not seen it in recent memory. Tornadoes are a fact of life in the Midwest when cold and warm systems meet. To say otherwise is alarmist hogwash.

Have you done any research on the transition from the MWP to the Little Ice Age? That time period was known for extremes in weather also. There were massive floods, snowfalls, and massive crop failures. Weather would swing rapidly from freezing conditions to unseasonal warmth. It's written down in historical journals of the time.

Hurricanes were fierce and long lived during that time. The Spaniards have records of hurricanes that their fleets encountered of the American coastline and then were encountered a few day later off the coast of France and England.

Do a little more research.

Rick Moss

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Don't kids also write letter to God and to Santa?

Kids don't know squat

myself

Boulder City, NV

I have not seen any of the so-called skeptics declare that global warming or global cooling does not occur.

The debate is over the cause of such change.

It does not help convince skeptics when advocates of AGW act in contradiction to their statements, which then come off as mere rhetoric.

It does not help when advocates refuse to consider other reasonable interpretations of scientific data. We can probably all agree on "the numbers", but not necessarily on what "the numbers" mean.

It also does not help when advocates bring hysterical messages of doom, rather than rationally presenting the data and allowing ALL interpretations of the data to be aired.

Perhaps if the advocates would calm down and abandon the "if you just do what we say, we're saved if not, we're doomed" (hmmmm, this sounds like a line many fervently religious people use), some real progress could be made on reducing pollution of all forms.

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That would be useful advice -- if this was actually about solutions.

However, this is about political power -- and getting it in the time-honoured method of scaring the crap out of the plebes.

JRS

Ted Closson wrote:

Yeah, this is the student whose press release you decided to use to make your point about brainwashing. I am not a child, nor am I a fool (which is why I'm not falling for anything you just wrote above).I have a father who taught earth science for 30 years who made certain his children understood certain things. He is an intelligent, educated and thoughtful man. I was raised very much to think about the world around myself in an empirical way. To question the things that I encountered. That is what the scientific method is all about. Science doesn't prove things....that you have ill used my efforts and should answer for it. To that I say this: You embarrass me. And you embarrass yourself.

"How is it that there is a consensus in the scientific community and yet it remains a debate amongst the press (not scientists), politicians (also not scientists) and the public (not known in general for their expertise in climatology)."

"there is a consensus" Your father failed.

"there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition.

The concept of "scientific consensus" is popular among laymen because it allows them to avoid learning any actual scientific facts and to believe that those who are reponsible for such things are all in agreement, and therefore right. That's called rational ignorance, which is generally fine, because it's impossible for anyone to know everything; we have to trust some experts, unless we want to become experts ourselves. The problem with trusting "scientific consensus" is that it's often based more on politics than on science. The consensus led by Ptolemy said that the sun traveled around the earth, and everyone agreed on that for fifteen centuries until Copernicus defied consensus and discovered the truth.

And that's what science is about: not merely reaching agreement, but discovering truth. This pursuit doesn't always mesh well with the modern socio-political climate in which truth is far less important than perception, intent, and desire."
http://www.mwilliams.info/archive/2006/07/sci...

"Only an insignificant fraction of scientists deny the global warming crisis. The time for debate is over. The science is settled."

S o said Al Gore ... in 1992. Amazingly, he made his claims despite much evidence of their falsity. A Gallup poll at the time reported that 53% of scientists actively involved in global climate research did not believe global warming had occurred; 30% weren't sure; and only 17% believed global warming had begun. Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn't think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable.

Today, Al Gore is making the same claims of a scientific consensus, as do the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of government agencies and environmental groups around the world. But the claims of a scientific consensus remain unsubstantiated. They have only become louder and more frequent.
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html...

JRS

"How is it that there is a consensus in the scientific community and yet it remains a debate amongst the press (not scientists), politicians (also not scientists) and the public (not known in general for their expertise in climatology)."

"yet it remains a debate amongst the press " Your father failed.

Accompanying the concerns of climate change and global warming is the media spin, propaganda, and special interests
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalW...

Hollywood Style Weather Reports Incite Global Warming Fears
In the midst of all the recent global warming alarmism, have you considered the role that the "Hollywoodation" of weather reporting has played?

After all, much as news reporting has become more and more geared towards titillation in the past couple of decades, so has the media's presentation of climate events, especially extreme ones like Hurricane Katrina.

With this in mind, it only seems logical that the over-hyped coverage of all things weather-related has added to the nation's fear of global warming irrespective of whether or not such fears are warranted.

Such was certainly suggested in an article published in Saturday's Toronto Star which accused American media of being prone to "storm porn"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/20...

Anonymous

Bangkok, Thailand

c02 did not cause the late 20th century warming. We were on a downward trend until the El Nino. But now in the 21st century, there has been no warming at all. Stasis. Hmm...I wonder what people are going to say when the temperature starts going down?

my sources:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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JRS wrote:

"there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition.

Repetition is the heart of the scientific method. Repeated tests attempting to disprove your hypothesis. Can be found in any science text that discusses it. Or are you one of those people that like to put warning labels on scientific texts.

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JRS wrote:

Your father failed.

And you need to watch your mouth.

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The Truth Matters wrote:

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What a load of crap. It seems you were brainwashed first, now it's time to pass it on.
Storms are not worse. Rain and snow have fallen in places that have not seen it in recent memory. Tornadoes are a fact of life in the Midwest when cold and warm systems meet. To say otherwise is alarmist hogwash.
Have you done any research on the transition from the MWP to the Little Ice Age? That time period was known for extremes in weather also. There were massive floods, snowfalls, and massive crop failures. Weather would swing rapidly from freezing conditions to unseasonal warmth. It's written down in historical journals of the time.
Hurricanes were fierce and long lived during that time. The Spaniards have records of hurricanes that their fleets encountered of the American coastline and then were encountered a few day later off the coast of France and England.
Do a little more research.

Where on earth do you people do your research? Did you even read what I wrote, or do you just see an opinion contradictory to your own and attack? You people are so caught up in trying to fight against some mystery government bureaucracy that you've traded it for the defense of a corporate bureaucracy. So tell me who represents you better. The government (which is you and me in the end) or a corporation (which if that's you write me and tell me how much you're being paid for all this PR work, I need a job) who is concerned about a bottom line not you. I notice nobody piped up to disagree with where your great book-o-facts authoress got her money from. Now who's engaging their brain here?

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JRS wrote:

Accompanying the concerns of climate change and global warming is the media spin, propaganda, and special interests
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalW...
Hollywood Style Weather Reports Incite Global Warming Fears

Here's why you shouldn't trust a Republican: They want a smaller government, so nobody can catch them at the they're doing to their fellow men.

Here's why you shouldn't trust a Democrat: They want to increase the size of the government, and eat up all your freedoms.

If I'm not supposed to believe these alarmists, then who am I supposed to believe? You poltroons?

I'm pretty sure I think for myself, and I'm pretty sure you're not the one to tell me if I don't.

JRS