Green Energy Subsidies Double Under O...

Green Energy Subsidies Double Under Obama

There are 23 comments on the The Daily Caller story from Mar 13, 2015, titled Green Energy Subsidies Double Under Obama. In it, The Daily Caller reports that:

Taxpayer support for wind, solar and other green energy sources doubled in just three years of President Barack Obama's time in office. The Energy Information Administration reports that from 2010 to 2013, the Treasury Department's spending on its Section 1603 grant program for renewable energy grew from $4.5 billion to $8.2 billion.

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Since: Dec 06

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#1 Mar 13, 2015
The subsidies doubled but did the energy?
Concave

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Mar 21, 2015
OId Sailor wrote:
The subsidies doubled but did the energy?
What does that even mean? Does the energy need to double for the subsidies provided? One of the so called think tanks noted that the electricity sector of the power industry is having problems with the little solar PV installed so far in this country. They are saying the industry is being upset by as little as 2% of the ratepayers adopting their own solar PV generation. What does that say about the industry's accepted business model?
Cordwainer Trout

Greensburg, KY

#3 Mar 21, 2015
This is how Democrats get Federal money into their election coffers. Meanwhile, the scam of green energy continues to kill thousands of birds and cost consumers raised utility bills no matter how much they conserve. Democrats have even allowed foreign interests to own our domestic energy companies, scamming the consumer every time they repeatedly "sell" the companies back and forth, as they raise the consumer rates to fill each previous and subsequent owner's pockets. The "solar" gig is a real charmer... The Utility Commissions rubber stamp approvals of raised utility costs to fund construction of solar plants, even as they receive the Federal Grants to build them. The consumers pay for the construction so they can have higher costs. The company owners and stockholders don't fund the construction, but continue to benefit with increased dividends and bonuses. The cynical theft from the consumers is even worse, as they are encouraged to reduce their electricity usage, but their utility bills have NEVER gone down, but always up. So, people are paying more to use less and construct green energy they don't need to profit the stockholders and owners and fund the reelection coffers of Democrat good old boy networks appointing the commissioners approving the scams. Then, they have the nerve to send you an insert in their mailings telling you to watch out for scams by people pretending to be utility workers... emotional propaganda to get you to look the other way as they profit from your ignorance. Cynical dishonesty is very complex in our society and the culture is dying because of it.
Concave

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Mar 22, 2015
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
This is how Democrats get Federal money into their election coffers. Meanwhile, the scam of green energy continues to kill thousands of birds and cost consumers raised utility bills no matter how much they conserve. Democrats have even allowed foreign interests to own our domestic energy companies, scamming the consumer every time they repeatedly "sell" the companies back and forth, as they raise the consumer rates to fill each previous and subsequent owner's pockets. The "solar" gig is a real charmer... The Utility Commissions rubber stamp approvals of raised utility costs to fund construction of solar plants, even as they receive the Federal Grants to build them. The consumers pay for the construction so they can have higher costs. The company owners and stockholders don't fund the construction, but continue to benefit with increased dividends and bonuses. The cynical theft from the consumers is even worse, as they are encouraged to reduce their electricity usage, but their utility bills have NEVER gone down, but always up. So, people are paying more to use less and construct green energy they don't need to profit the stockholders and owners and fund the reelection coffers of Democrat good old boy networks appointing the commissioners approving the scams. Then, they have the nerve to send you an insert in their mailings telling you to watch out for scams by people pretending to be utility workers... emotional propaganda to get you to look the other way as they profit from your ignorance. Cynical dishonesty is very complex in our society and the culture is dying because of it.
Wow, what an uninformed lie you produce and promote. Utility bills will always go UP no matter what. Take a good look at the San Onofre nuclear plant in California. The ratepayers have been paying on every utility bill for the last 30 years for the cost to decommission the plant. Now the primary owner of the facility SCE is saying they will need another 1.8 billion dollars to do the job. So, the ratepayers will have to pay for a product they no longer get, PLUS pay for importing or building more generation to replace the plant. It's the business model not the solar PV proponents. Look at NRG energy and see how they want to change the business model to accommodate private solar PV.
Cordwainer Trout

Greensburg, KY

#5 Mar 22, 2015
Concave wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, what an uninformed lie you produce and promote. Utility bills will always go UP no matter what. Take a good look at the San Onofre nuclear plant in California. The ratepayers have been paying on every utility bill for the last 30 years for the cost to decommission the plant. Now the primary owner of the facility SCE is saying they will need another 1.8 billion dollars to do the job. So, the ratepayers will have to pay for a product they no longer get, PLUS pay for importing or building more generation to replace the plant. It's the business model not the solar PV proponents. Look at NRG energy and see how they want to change the business model to accommodate private solar PV.
There is no lie. Just because the Democrat allowance of foreign interests owning US utilities may apply to other energy sectors doesn't mean the reality isn't a network of thieves selling companies back and forth, profiting, yet raising consumer costs each time, starting new projects and refunding, but laying the cost totally on the consumers, while owners and stockholders never pay a share. The Federal grants are misused to end up in Democrat reelection coffers and foundations, which is how every politician leaves office much richer than when they entered. The gross graft has completely changed the utility industries from public and regulated services benefiting Americans (actually first created and constructed with public funds and our father's sweat) to scams involving politicians and the consumer "watchdogs" they put in place. Now, the Democrats have expanded their graft and theft and consumer slavery to include parts of the EU, where surpluses created and funded by American consumers are shipped out of country to areas the Democrats have deprived of their own natural resources, thus enslaving and harming not only the Europeans, but doubly the American consumers.
Concave

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Mar 23, 2015
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no lie. Just because the Democrat allowance of foreign interests owning US utilities may apply to other energy sectors doesn't mean the reality isn't a network of thieves selling companies back and forth, profiting, yet raising consumer costs each time, starting new projects and refunding, but laying the cost totally on the consumers, while owners and stockholders never pay a share. The Federal grants are misused to end up in Democrat reelection coffers and foundations, which is how every politician leaves office much richer than when they entered. The gross graft has completely changed the utility industries from public and regulated services benefiting Americans (actually first created and constructed with public funds and our father's sweat) to scams involving politicians and the consumer "watchdogs" they put in place. Now, the Democrats have expanded their graft and theft and consumer slavery to include parts of the EU, where surpluses created and funded by American consumers are shipped out of country to areas the Democrats have deprived of their own natural resources, thus enslaving and harming not only the Europeans, but doubly the American consumers.
Do you have proof the monies end up in reelection coffers? No, right? The only one who can enslave YOU is YOU. It seems you have done a bang up job.
Cordwainer Trout

Greensburg, KY

#7 Mar 25, 2015
Concave wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have proof the monies end up in reelection coffers? No, right? The only one who can enslave YOU is YOU. It seems you have done a bang up job.
Check out the political donations from the Solyndra Corporation and especially the corporate board members, including their secretaries. The Federal bailout of the banks amounted to the same slight of hand, with huge cumulative Democrat political donations from everyone from the CEOs down to the "encouraged" usury enforcers. Did the consumers get a break? No, they did not get a break and the customer charges, Kwh charges and multiple special taxes keep ballooning their utility costs, while Democrats arrange sending US surpluses to their next theater of IMF impositions.

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#9 Mar 26, 2015
The most Powerful Lame Duck in history
sharen craig

United States

#10 Mar 26, 2015
The grass is always greener...
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#11 Mar 26, 2015
sharen craig wrote:
The grass is always greener...
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Hyattsville, MD

#12 Apr 6, 2016
Big Solar supports Pres Obama

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#13 Apr 7, 2016
Concave wrote:
<quoted text>What does that even mean? Does the energy need to double for the subsidies provided? One of the so called think tanks noted that the electricity sector of the power industry is having problems with the little solar PV installed so far in this country. They are saying the industry is being upset by as little as 2% of the ratepayers adopting their own solar PV generation. What does that say about the industry's accepted business model?
And your proof is??? According to what I have been seeing and reading, what is upsetting them is the fact that solar is upsetting the grid, producing some power when it is not really needed and then forcing them to bring other sources online once the sun goes down which increases the chances it might cause parts of the grid to fail. In addition, they have to keep some plants online but not generating because of this, costing them money.

You ask what this says about the industry business model, not as much as it says about the green business model. They have invested far more for kwh for your solar and wind than any other source and received a far poorer return on that investment. Many solar, wind, and other green energy companies have failed. And before you claim I must be full of it, here is a partial list of solar companies that have failed. You want to talk about flawed business models, what does this say about the green energy business model when the government has pumped so much into it.

Solar Trust of America: FAIL - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012 – On April 2, 2012

Bright Source: FAIL - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Lost Billions of dollars but Getting More Money To Keep Trying. Can you say,“This isn't working?”

Solyndra: FAIL - Obama gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses due to failure to make a solar product that works!

LSP Energy: FAIL - LSP Energy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

Abound Solar: FAIL - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy

SunPower: FAIL – SunPower stopped producing solar cells last year at near bankruptcy restructured only with help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL who owns 60% stake. Irony! Still

Beacon Power: FAIL – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy Oct 2011 just a year after Obama approved $43 million loan Government loan guarantee

Ecotality: FAIL - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from Obama

A123 Solar: FAIL-A123 received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees and after Solyndra bankruptcy is getting another $500M from Obama and it has lost $400M

UniSolar: FAIL - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20 this year laid off hundreds got more Obama money still failing but still in business

Azure Dynamics: FAIL - Azure Dynamics files for bankruptcy in June ter millions in Obama “Stimulus”

Evergreen Solar: FAIL - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama filed bankruptcy

Ener1: FAIL received more than $100 million in government funding from the Obama administration filed for bankruptcy January 2012
First Wife

Washington, DC

#14 Apr 8, 2016
Big Solar Obama 2012
Geezer Heimers

Washington, DC

#15 May 24, 2016
Solarworld and Solar City
Some People s Children

Minneapolis, MN

#16 May 24, 2016
Only the duped and deluded can twist this issue into a partisan debate...
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>

There is no lie. Just because the Democrat allowance of foreign interests owning US utilities may apply to other energy sectors doesn't mean the reality isn't a network of thieves selling companies back and forth, profiting, yet raising consumer costs each time, starting new projects and refunding, but laying the cost totally on the consumers, while owners and stockholders never pay a share. The Federal grants are misused to end up in Democrat reelection coffers and foundations, which is how every politician leaves office much richer than when they entered. The gross graft has completely changed the utility industries from public and regulated services benefiting Americans (actually first created and constructed with public funds and our father's sweat) to scams involving politicians and the consumer "watchdogs" they put in place. Now, the Democrats have expanded their graft and theft and consumer slavery to include parts of the EU, where surpluses created and funded by American consumers are shipped out of country to areas the Democrats have deprived of their own natural resources, thus enslaving and harming not only the Europeans, but doubly the American consumers.
There is no lie. Just because the **Democrat and *Republican allowance of foreign interests owning US utilities may apply to other energy sectors doesn't mean the reality isn't a network of thieves selling companies back and forth, profiting, yet raising consumer costs each time, starting new projects and refunding, but laying the cost totally on the consumers, while *Republican owners and *Republican stockholders never pay a share. The Federal grants are misused to end up in **Democrat and *Republican reelection coffers and foundations, which is how every politician leaves office much richer than when they entered. The gross graft has completely changed the utility industries from public and regulated services benefiting Americans (actually first created and constructed with public funds and our father's sweat) to scams involving politicians and the consumer "watchdogs" they put in place. Now, the **Democrats and *Republicans have expanded their graft and theft and consumer slavery to include parts of the EU, where surpluses created and funded by American consumers are shipped out of country to areas the **Democrats and *Republicans have deprived of their own natural resources, thus enslaving and harming not only the Europeans, but doubly the American consumers.

* Investment groups like Bain Capital.
** investment groups like Gore Holdings
Ms Solar Panel

Washington, DC

#17 Oct 19, 2016
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
This is how Democrats get Federal money into their election coffers. Meanwhile, the scam of green energy continues to kill thousands of birds and cost consumers raised utility bills no matter how much they conserve. Democrats have even allowed foreign interests to own our domestic energy companies, scamming the consumer every time they repeatedly "sell" the companies back and forth, as they raise the consumer rates to fill each previous and subsequent owner's pockets. The "solar" gig is a real charmer... The Utility Commissions rubber stamp approvals of raised utility costs to fund construction of solar plants, even as they receive the Federal Grants to build them. The consumers pay for the construction so they can have higher costs. The company owners and stockholders don't fund the construction, but continue to benefit with increased dividends and bonuses. The cynical theft from the consumers is even worse, as they are encouraged to reduce their electricity usage, but their utility bills have NEVER gone down, but always up. So, people are paying more to use less and construct green energy they don't need to profit the stockholders and owners and fund the reelection coffers of Democrat good old boy networks appointing the commissioners approving the scams. Then, they have the nerve to send you an insert in their mailings telling you to watch out for scams by people pretending to be utility workers... emotional propaganda to get you to look the other way as they profit from your ignorance. Cynical dishonesty is very complex in our society and the culture is dying because of it.
Dems skin a Trout and deep fry to kill worms
Media Moguls

Hyattsville, MD

#18 Oct 19, 2016
Solar Panels sales highest year sales in history
Winona Ryders pimp

Washington, DC

#19 Oct 20, 2016
Trump calls for violence
The 97 Percent

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Oct 22, 2016
Media Moguls wrote:
Solar Panels sales highest year sales in history
Solar panels that require a decade to recoup the cost ...yet has an expected 4 year service life (on average).

Can we say“ scam"?
Solarman

La Quinta, CA

#21 Oct 22, 2016
The 97 Percent wrote:
<quoted text>
Solar panels that require a decade to recoup the cost ...yet has an expected 4 year service life (on average).

Can we say“ scam"?
I can say liar! Where in the hell do you get "..an expected 4 year service life..." ? My system has been on my roof for 10 years now and is functioning very well. Most Solar PV panel manufacturers have a 80% power output "up to" 25 years of service warranty. If they are willing to put a 25 year warranty on their product, it will last longer than that. Nobody really knows how long a solar PV panel will last. Some of the old 50 watt ARCO solar panels manufactured in the 1970's are still being used today. The nature of the beast, you may install solar PV on your roof and get that 100 year storm that has 80 MPH winds and hail the size of baseballs the next day. At that point when you replace your roof, the solar panels would then be replaced next. You could put solar PV on your roof and leave the property to your grand children, solar PV still working.

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