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Record Cold in Interior Alaska - heading into the USA, agriculture at risk

There are 46 comments on the NorCalBlogs story from May 2, 2013, titled Record Cold in Interior Alaska - heading into the USA, agriculture at risk. In it, NorCalBlogs reports that:

Fairbanks reported a record low of 2 degrees F above zero Sunday, breaking the previous record of 8 from 1924.

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Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#1 May 2, 2013
There are many solar physicists from various parts of the world who are predicting a time period of very low solar activity and as a result, decades of cooler temps.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2 May 2, 2013
AGW strengthened warm fronts have caused above average warming at the NP, 180 out of the last 220 days. AGW strengthened warm fronts have vigorously pushed Arctic cold fronts to the south, fortunately causing toxic topix AGW deniers to have cold toes.

Meanwhile, infra-red energy absorbed by excess non-phase change GHGs & radiated back to Earth's surface is transported to ocean depths via downwellings.

toxic topix AGW deniers make hay while the sun shines (at lower TSI), because they know its temporary & their crowing WILL come to an end.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#3 May 2, 2013
litesong wrote:
AGW strengthened warm fronts have caused above average warming at the NP, 180 out of the last 220 days. AGW strengthened warm fronts have vigorously pushed Arctic cold fronts to the south, fortunately causing toxic topix AGW deniers to have cold toes.
Meanwhile, infra-red energy absorbed by excess non-phase change GHGs & radiated back to Earth's surface is transported to ocean depths via downwellings.
toxic topix AGW deniers make hay while the sun shines (at lower TSI), because they know its temporary & their crowing WILL come to an end.
Colder in Alaska, colder on the West Coast, colder in the Midwest, colder in Europe, colder in vast expanses of China... Oh! And WARMER at the North Pole and parts of an ocean.

By the way... Earth, is just days away from a global average of CO2 level of 400ppm which means it has about doubled since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Yup...proof, Anthropogenic CO2 is clearlly the primary force in climate change according to every scientific academy in the world.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#4 May 2, 2013
It is terrifying to consider how cold it could be right now if Man's CO2 was not in the air to keep us this warm... SUBFREEZING and buried under a half of foot of snow in MAY! 400 ppm CO2... Just in time.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#5 May 2, 2013
It is AMAZING that scientific models predicted this.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#6 May 3, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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Colder in Alaska, colder on the West Coast, colder in the Midwest, colder in Europe, colder in vast expanses of China... Oh! And
Colder AT TIMES and IN REGIONS. Average global surface temperaure is increasing and changes climate dynamics which leads to changes in local climate as in Alaska. Not sure what is causing Alaska to be colder at this time. The movement of cold air into the central North America (due to a weaker jet stream caused by AGW) should increase temperatures in the Arctic due to warm air return (as cold air moves out). This actually dominates the picture.
asimplequestion

Worcester, MA

#7 May 3, 2013
How did the earth warm and cool in the past (scientific evidence, as unbiased as that can be).....hmmmmm. My head is not in the sand, I believe the earth has warmer in the past and yet Soviet scientists are predicting a 100 year cooling trend.
Let's step back, take a deep breath and look at the larger picture.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#8 May 3, 2013
asimplequestion wrote:
How did the earth warm and cool in the past (scientific evidence, as unbiased as that can be)
The major factors in long term climate change are albedo, solar insolation, land use, continental drift and greenhouse gasses.

Solar insolation has strengthened overall over time ( tinyurl.com/3n7rkul ) but it takes billions of years for this, so not a problem over historical time scales. Sunspot cycles are too short to affect the average and 200 year cycles of sunspot intensity have small effects.

Albedo changes have 'locked in' the planet to a global freeze at times (precipitated by loss of the greenhouse effect) as sun reflected from pole to equator ice. tinyurl.com/2h6qe8

Changes to land use, i.e. the rise of grasslands, changes from palm fronds to flowering planet,etc have contributed on a small scale. More recently, the rise of population and move to farming has had an effect of some nature.

Continental drift has an effect, as ocean flows are blocked or as land masses form 'pangea' equivalents every few hundred million years. The most recent change of this type is the movement of Antarctica to the pole, causing massive lowering of sea level as ice sheets build up on the continent (80+ meters lower). A lower sea level means more land and less exposed water so lower levels of water vapor ( a greenhouse gas).

And greenhouse gases are the primary short term driver of climate. This can easily be seen in the correlation of CO2 with ice age temperatures. And longer term, the composition of the atmosphere has changed over billions of years. It is possible that the carboniferous had higher levels of carbon particulates since the high oxygen content (~25% to 30%) would have make forest fires much more common and extensive.
asimplequestion wrote:
My head is not in the sand, I believe the earth has warmer in the past
It was. Mostly because of higher CO2 levels. The problem is that we do NOT want to return to those times which were ideal for large insects but not so much for mammals.
asimplequestion wrote:
and yet Soviet scientists are predicting a 100 year cooling trend.
Nonsense. A Russian scientist back in 1975 showed a thirty year cooling trend (the one caused by aerosols from about 1945 to 1975) in a model that ran for 100 years. But he predicted that aerosol cooling would give way to greenhouse gas warming. You are full of misreading, misleading and other denialist blog tactics. You may not be a fool but you are certainly fooled easily. tinyurl.com/75yctq
asimplequestion wrote:
Let's step back, take a deep breath and look at the larger picture.
And your myopic viewpoint isn't it. The 'big picture' is a wave of massive climate change that will be impossible to either prevent or adapt to by the time we wake up.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#9 May 3, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Colder AT TIMES and IN REGIONS. Average global surface temperaure is increasing and changes climate dynamics which leads to changes in local climate as in Alaska. Not sure what is causing Alaska to be colder at this time. The movement of cold air into the central North America (due to a weaker jet stream caused by AGW) should increase temperatures in the Arctic due to warm air return (as cold air moves out). This actually dominates the picture.
So we see cooler temps in some places and warmer air at the North Pole just as the models predicted.
litesong

Everett, WA

#10 May 3, 2013
drink the kkk-aid wrote:
And WARMER at the North Pole.....
Yes, for year after year, decade after decade, AGW warmth from the south, excessively warms the NP & flush cold Arctic fronts to the south. Even on a warming Earth, when excess AGW warmth cause 3 times more heat records, overall than cold records, Arctic cold fronts flushed to the south, can still set all-time recorded cold temperature records.

Without science & mathematics education, toxic topix AGW deniers crow about cold. But it is AGW excess energy in the Earth's biosphere, that drives Arctic cold fronts to the south, setting records.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#11 May 3, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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So we see cooler temps in some places..
And warmer and wetter and drier. On the small scale of regional and temporal climate there is more variability in climate than in global averages.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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and warmer air at the North Pole.
That should be higher temperature anomalies over land at higher latitudes. A general result that CAN be predicted, unlike short climate disruptions.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
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just as the models predicted.
The models only 'forecast' general trends, The details vary from one run to the next or in reality. That is because climate is 'semi chaotic', chaotic meaning 'difficult to predict'. i.e it can say that 95% of the runs had drier climates in contiental interios. It cannot say that the world will have 2 hurricanes of force 5 during 2018.

Are you really this stupid or just pretending?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#12 May 3, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
There are many solar physicists from various parts of the world who are predicting a time period of very low solar activity and as a result, decades of cooler temps.
Horse$hit.

Name a few then.
SpaceBlues

United States

#13 May 4, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
It is AMAZING that scientific models predicted this.
“In response to carbon dioxide-induced warming, the global water cycle undergoes a gigantic competition for moisture resulting in a global pattern of increased heavy rain, decreased moderate rain, and prolonged droughts in certain regions,” said William Lau of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

The models project for every 1 degree Fahrenheit of carbon dioxide-induced warming, heavy rainfall will increase globally by 3.9 percent and light rain will increase globally by 1 percent. However, total global rainfall is not projected to change much because moderate rainfall will decrease globally by 1.4 percent.

Heavy rainfall is defined as months that receive an average of more than about 0.35 of an inch per day. Light rain is defined as months that receive an average of less than 0.01 of an inch per day. Moderate rainfall is defined as months that receive an average of between about 0.04 to 0.09 of an inch per day.

Areas projected to see the most significant increase in heavy rainfall are in the tropical zones around the equator, particularly in the Pacific Ocean and Asian monsoon regions.

Some regions outside the tropics may have no rainfall at all.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#14 May 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Horse$hit.
Name a few then.
Try a google search.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#15 May 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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Try a google search.
Got nothin' hun? As usual..

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#16 May 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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Try a google search.
Thank you for conceding that your facts emerge from your fundament.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#17 May 4, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Got nothin' hun? As usual..
Just tired of spoon feeding you.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#18 May 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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Thank you for conceding that your facts emerge from your fundament.
I guess I should have suspected you didn't know how to do a google search, just try it, it's really not hard, and it will work with all kinds of things.

Where's earthling when you need him, he used to show lots of posters how to do a search.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#19 May 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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I guess I should have suspected you didn't know how to do a google search, just try it, it's really not hard, and it will work with all kinds of things.
Where's earthling when you need him, he used to show lots of posters how to do a search.
You made the claim; produce the source, punk.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#20 May 4, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>“In response to carbon dioxide-induced warming, the global water cycle undergoes a gigantic competition for moisture resulting in a global pattern of increased heavy rain, decreased moderate rain, and prolonged droughts in certain regions,” said William Lau of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.
The models project for every 1 degree Fahrenheit of carbon dioxide-induced warming, heavy rainfall will increase globally by 3.9 percent and light rain will increase globally by 1 percent. However, total global rainfall is not projected to change much because moderate rainfall will decrease globally by 1.4 percent.
Heavy rainfall is defined as months that receive an average of more than about 0.35 of an inch per day. Light rain is defined as months that receive an average of less than 0.01 of an inch per day. Moderate rainfall is defined as months that receive an average of between about 0.04 to 0.09 of an inch per day.
Areas projected to see the most significant increase in heavy rainfall are in the tropical zones around the equator, particularly in the Pacific Ocean and Asian monsoon regions.
Some regions outside the tropics may have no rainfall at all.
Your Cut and Paste skills are, as usual, IMPRESSIVE!

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