Bush Vows To Veto Troop Exit Bill

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President Bush warned Congress Friday that he will continue vetoing war spending bills as long as they contain a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.Speaking a day after the ...

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#267
Apr 29, 2007
 
DOLLY wrote:
I wish that all of you who are opposed to the war and are angry over the way this adminisration is handling it. Would use some of that anger at the democrates that support embyronic stem cell research, partial-birth abortion and all other forms of abortion; gay marriage, civil unions and all the other evil things that they stand for. They don't care anything about this war. If they did they would stop it now. 50 million babies have died since 1973. Stop that war.
I want women to have a choice in the early part of pregnancy. If their life is in danger their Doctors hand should not be tied later on. There has been abn increase in out of wedlock births and abortions under Bush. Bush's Whitehouse is loaded with homosexuals like Jeff Gannen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

Jeff even had a wed site where he advertized his body for sell! This was exposed by the main media in Feb 2005 after the election - but I learned about Gannon before the election. The media covers for Bush.

Wake up! After all hw chose a VP with a gay daughter they are proud of. Their concern with your issues go as far as getting your vote. There is not enough millionaires to vote them into office after all!

And why shouldn't stem cell research happen when those stem sells are going in the trash anyway? They would be used to save life. That is a true Pro life postion. They are the ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing Christ warned us about!

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#268
Apr 29, 2007
 
GI Mom wrote:
Please withhold the funding of this fisaco of a war.
Bring our boys,and girls home.
Bush,and Cheney only has 20% approval at the polls.
The American people want this illegal war of lies OVER
I want them home too- but not at the expense of letting the brave Iraqis that are trying to rebuild and find their freedom again to be put back at risk- my only child is in the service and I do want him home safe. One gentleman in here suggested something he called WALLS - asecurity system that he explained was put into effect in other places that was working- lets find a way to get our troops home AND stop all the needless deaths of the Iraqis also.

I want all our men and women home, bu tI hope the ones that have died did not do so in vain.

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#269
Apr 29, 2007
 
holysmokes wrote:
<quoted text>i like where you are going with this wall idea but how about an entire wall surrounding all of Iraq, thirty feet high, and then we fill it up to the top with water.
Okay that one tickled me!! LOL (sorry but
it IS funny)
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#270
Apr 29, 2007
 
Mr_Bill wrote:
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No, not like flipping a switch, more like Uncle Sam becoming the 'new' Saddam Hussain. And talking about "armchair quarterbacks," just what do you think Bush IS? And your escalation,(surge) will just need another escalation in six months, because there will be light at the end of the tunnel, by then. And then another; until the year 2399.
At the beginning of this sick lie-fest in Iraq, Bush fired the military people who disagreed with Rumsfeld's 'small, light, army" concept. Don't you remember? That is ARMCHAIR FULLBACKING.
The lying neo-conservatives ARE the armchair quarterbacks here. The remaining Generals are just yes-men, not unlike Hitler's general staff in 1945.
And, don't tell me that you didn't know, as I knew, that the "surge" was really an ESCALATION with a cheap paint job (lie.)
Here is how it should go, if you are so into process:
Let Bush bring a formal Bill of Declaration of War to Congress.
Then, if it passes, the lying neo-conservatives will have a leg to stand on, with these BALONY arguments. In other words, "MISSION ACCOMLISHED."
In the mean time, the real objective is met. The unrest in the middle east and loss of Iraqi petroleum has pushed the price of GASOLINE over $3.35/gal. Anain, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Believe me, I not only respect our military, I treasure them so muck, that I stand against their being used to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer. If Bush EVER wanted to go to war against "TERRORISM," he would have invaded the homeland of his'Saudi cousin,' Prince "BANDAR BUSH."
I wish those like you who condemn our soldiers t death and dismemberment would posture less, and really, really think more. You are a dilettante, with your cheap, cowboy rheteric. How little you care.
And I am a very large computer mechanic.
And you, and your tough-talking, AWOL-going Dry-drunk, chicken-hawk, "president" are killing out army for DOLLARS.
And, the support bill is on the way to the president's desk. A president who will veto it, thereby abandoning the troops to make political points, in a game he has been already caught cheating at.
I'll say that another way, in case you are a sports fan: G.W. Bush is the Jason Giambi of presidents.
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That post is so ludicrous, I have to ask you one thing. What do you have against Jason Giambi?(I am a Yankee fan.)

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#271
Apr 29, 2007
 
Geezle wrote:
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That post is so ludicrous, I have to ask you one thing. What do you have against Jason Giambi?(I am a Yankee fan.)
I consider steroids, jump-juice, and human growth hormone to be cheating. No less than changing the scoreboard when no one is looking.

I also think that every steroid freak should have al his numbers in the record books replaced with "X"'s.

I guess you either forgot, or don't care.

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#272
Apr 29, 2007
 
Mr_Bill wrote:
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No, not like flipping a switch, more like Uncle Sam becoming the 'new' Saddam Hussain. And talking about "armchair quarterbacks," just what do you think Bush IS? And your escalation,(surge) will just need another escalation in six months, because there will be light at the end of the tunnel, by then. And then another; until the year 2399.
At the beginning of this sick lie-fest in Iraq, Bush fired the military people who disagreed with Rumsfeld's 'small, light, army" concept. Don't you remember? That is ARMCHAIR FULLBACKING.
The lying neo-conservatives ARE the armchair quarterbacks here. The remaining Generals are just yes-men, not unlike Hitler's general staff in 1945.
And, don't tell me that you didn't know, as I knew, that the "surge" was really an ESCALATION with a cheap paint job (lie.)
Here is how it should go, if you are so into process:
Let Bush bring a formal Bill of Declaration of War to Congress...
Wow! In your speech you said nothing that was coherent. It was a rant of a lifetime. I give you props for your passion.
Quite frankly, I disagreed with a few decisions the President made on a few aspects of this war. The dismantling of the ENTIRE civil service and the ENTIRE Iraqi army while sending into Iraq a small force to stabilize the country is one example for starters.
However, even the great Sen Harry Ried said last year that using a time table for pullout (Jan '06) was a mistake. It's great for the Soldiers to come home, but, not as losers. If we lost, than who won? What about OPSEC? Don't you think telling the whole world our plan to withdraw by a certain date is idiotic? If you have ever served in the military, don't you see how this would endanger our troops?
I'm for the Iraqi Army to take the lead. I think would should step aside and secure the borders in order to stem the tide of weapons and fighters from coming into the country. They will never learn to defend themselves if they don't have any baptism under fire. True leadership in that country will rise out of the chaos brought to them from foriegn fighters.
The childish, impish arguement about why we are in Iraq has been over for a few years. Conduct the business on hand, first. Then go back and question the decision. I don't agree with this 'slow bleed' policy that is going on. It will cost this country even more harm than what the Iraq War has caused.
I don't blame the President vetoing that bill. I blame Congress for buying the votes in order to pass this bill that goes against everything the military has to do in order to survive and conduct their missions. This world of mass media and immediate answers of our fast food-throw it away culture is disconnected.
I guess being a 'computer mechanic', you are concerned with the trivial matters that still haunt you. What would you say if your supervisor told you that you can't finish the work order on a computer even though you know the matter is not resolved? Even though the 'virus' was never eradicated, your boss said you didn't fininsh it in a timely manner. Then, he called you a loser.
Look this up: OPSEC.

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#273
Apr 29, 2007
 
Look for the truth wrote:
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And what in the hell do you know? John Kerry represented the "WINTER SOLDIERS" over 1000 strong. He did it in spite of the fact many said it would hurt him in the future. It took courage. It came out after the election on the "back" pages that the Swift Boat Liars were just that. Why not read his words.
http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Joh...
He would have made one hell of a lot better president than Bush that stole 2 elections.
You're looking for the truth in the wrong direction.

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#274
Apr 29, 2007
 
true blue wrote:
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Most of Bush's apologist are incapable of indepent thought--they just "parrot" the line of BS that Bush and his gang put out.
Just a flock of sheep.
Much like yourself, huh?

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#275
Apr 29, 2007
 
Ronda in North Michigan wrote:
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I want them home too- but not at the expense of letting the brave Iraqis that are trying to rebuild and find their freedom again to be put back at risk- my only child is in the service and I do want him home safe. One gentleman in here suggested something he called WALLS - asecurity system that he explained was put into effect in other places that was working- lets find a way to get our troops home AND stop all the needless deaths of the Iraqis also.
I want all our men and women home, bu tI hope the ones that have died did not do so in vain.
I know she is a GI mom, but, I really don't think she realizes what an immediate cutoff of the funds would do to her kid(s).

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#276
Apr 29, 2007
 
Sapper12-Alpha wrote:
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Wow! In your speech you said nothing that was coherent. It was a rant of a lifetime. I give you props for your passion.
Quite frankly, I disagreed with a few decisions the President made on a few aspects of this war. The dismantling of the ENTIRE civil service and the ENTIRE Iraqi army while sending into Iraq a small force to stabilize the country is one example for starters.
However, even the great Sen Harry Ried said last year that using a time table for pullout (Jan '06) was a mistake. It's great for the Soldiers to come home, but, not as losers. If we lost, than who won? What about OPSEC? Don't you think telling the whole world our plan to withdraw by a certain date is idiotic? If you have ever served in the military, don't you see how this would endanger our troops?
I'm for the Iraqi Army to take the lead. I think would should step aside and secure the borders in order to stem the tide of weapons and fighters from coming into the country. They will never learn to defend themselves if they don't have any baptism under fire. True leadership in that country will rise out of the chaos brought to them from foriegn fighters.
The childish, impish arguement about why we are in Iraq has been over for a few years. Conduct the business on hand, first. Then go back and question the decision. I don't agree with this 'slow bleed' policy that is going on. It will cost this country even more harm than what the Iraq War has caused.
I don't blame the President vetoing that bill. I blame Congress for buying the votes in order to pass this bill that goes against everything the military has to do in order to survive and conduct their missions. This world of mass media and immediate answers of our fast food-throw it away culture is disconnected.
I guess being a 'computer mechanic', you are concerned with the trivial matters that still haunt you. What would you say if your supervisor told you that you can't finish the work order on a computer even though you know the matter is not resolved? Even though the 'virus' was never eradicated, your boss said you didn't fininsh it in a timely manner. Then, he called you a loser.
Look this up: OPSEC.
You should read my post again, for comprehention. I agree about the Iraqi civil service, and army. But I disagree, becaus ethis war was created on lies, and the BUSH administration barged in without an exit strategy, in fact without ANY strateegy, other than to follow their Neo-conservative dogma.

Their dogma is dog-do, and here we are, in the middle of a 1500 year old religious civil war.
And you want the IRAQI ARMY to "take the lead?"

Which Iraqi Army?



Yes, there is no military solution. Face it, now. NOW.

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Apr 29, 2007
 
Sapper12-Alpha wrote:
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Wow! In your speech you said nothing that was coherent. It was a rant of a lifetime. I give you props for your passion.
Quite frankly, I disagreed with a few decisions the President made on a few aspects of this war. The dismantling of the ENTIRE civil service and the ENTIRE Iraqi army while sending into Iraq a small force to stabilize the country is one example for starters.
However, even the great Sen Harry Ried said last year that using a time table for pullout (Jan '06) was a mistake. It's great for the Soldiers to come home, but, not as losers. If we lost, than who won? What about OPSEC? Don't you think telling the whole world our plan to withdraw by a certain date is idiotic? If you have ever served in the military, don't you see how this would endanger our troops?
I'm for the Iraqi Army to take the lead. I think would should step aside and secure the borders in order to stem the tide of weapons and fighters from coming into the country. They will never learn to defend themselves if they don't have any baptism under fire. True leadership in that country will rise out of the chaos brought to them from foriegn fighters.
The childish, impish arguement about why we are in Iraq has been over for a few years. Conduct the business on hand, first. Then go back and question the decision. I don't agree with this 'slow bleed' policy that is going on. It will cost this country even more harm than what the Iraq War has caused.
I don't blame the President vetoing that bill. I blame Congress for buying the votes in order to pass this bill that goes against everything the military has to do in order to survive and conduct their missions. This world of mass media and immediate answers of our fast food-throw it away culture is disconnected.
I guess being a 'computer mechanic', you are concerned with the trivial matters that still haunt you. What would you say if your supervisor told you that you can't finish the work order on a computer even though you know the matter is not resolved? Even though the 'virus' was never eradicated, your boss said you didn't fininsh it in a timely manner. Then, he called you a loser.
Look this up: OPSEC.
"I'm for the Iraqi Army to take the lead." This is a 1500 Year old religious CIVIL WAR.

Which "Iraqi Army" do you prefer to 'take over', and kill the other Moslem sects?

Face it, lies and more lies are not policy. OUT NOW, or in 20 years, the result is the same.
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#278
Apr 29, 2007
 
President Bush, I support you. You are a man of principle and I don't care if I'm one of the 36% of Americans that support you.

The 64% percent have forgotten!
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#279
Apr 29, 2007
 
The wars about oil, not for your cars, but for weapons and mobilizing war effort. A man tried to warn 47 or so years ago that this is what it was all coming down to. 'THE MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX' and war is business. The Man: President Dwight Eisenhower in His farewell speech to the Union as He departed Office. A conservative republican and a highly decorated Army General. The Illuminatti's been trying to secure the Persian Gulf for the last 40 years. NO ONE is telling the Truth and You jaw flapping morons need to stop feeding the machine. The war in iraq has s h i t to do with our freedom. Our freedom is in much more danger from our own government thanks to you f u c k i n g idiots that LET THINGS LIKE THE PATRIOT ACT HAPPEN,like anybody is ever gonna save our a s s when the shit hits the fan. You a s s h o l e s have sold out our FREEDOM for the phony a s s e d ameriKan dream and false security. Choke on your excess buttholes. The bush league was very much central in 9/11, its what they were told to do by their bosses, our true enemy.
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#280
Apr 29, 2007
 
Mr_Bill wrote:
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I consider steroids, jump-juice, and human growth hormone to be cheating. No less than changing the scoreboard when no one is looking.
I also think that every steroid freak should have al his numbers in the record books replaced with "X"'s.
I guess you either forgot, or don't care.
Why pick on Jason Giambi? He'll never even approach the all-time home run record. How about BARRY BONDS? Hmm?

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Apr 30, 2007
 
Devil Dog wrote:
President Bush, I support you. You are a man of principle and I don't care if I'm one of the 36% of Americans that support you.
The 64% percent have forgotten!
well said.

the democrats believe that the answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind so they alter their strategy merely based on public polls.

It takes a strong person to have conviction nowadays.
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Apr 30, 2007
 
ryan wrote:
OK lets say that they set a time table to pull out of Iraq. EX. July 1 2008 what does that say to the terrorists. Lets wait until July 2 and then we will start our reign of terror all over. What a dumb idea to set a time table. We are doing the best that we can with the situation at hand. How many people have died in previous wars (more than in the Iraqi Conflict). Also what would've happened if every time things were not going our way we just pulled out. That would make us look weak. That is what terrorists prey on. Maybe the objective of the war did change but who cares we caught Saddam and almost all of his militia. We have caught many other terrorists that were not invloved with the original conflict as well. What if we did what congress is asking and pull out, what if we had that same approach over here. What if the war on drugs just wasnt going so well and we just said, oh well just forget it. What if we had the mind set that just because this wasn't the problem we were trying to solve that if another problem comes up we should try and take care of it at the same time. What would happen then, we would be overrun with problems more than we already have. We do every day here what is being done in Iraq and nobody says anything about it. This is just a tool for political leverage and something else for people to bitch about. Our troops are working their asses off to protect us and our freedoms and all everyone is saying is that because the problem is not solved we should tell them they have to quit. Quit is not a word taken lightly in the military. We dont quit, we dont back down, and we should not pull out because we were sent to do a job and until that job is done we will not quit. God Bless our troops (no matter how many of you say you say you support them and their efforts but behind their backs to do otherwise.) And dont respond to this if you are gonna tell me a story about how you have a family member in the military and you want them to come home becaus when they signed up they knew what they were doing and waht the possibilities were. My brother, uncles, grandfathers, cousins have all been in the military and my brother just got back from 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afgahan. with the Army Rangers. He knew what he had to do he did it to the best of his ability and when it was time for him to come home he did. He served proudly just like all other members of our military. So dont give me that crap.
AMEN Ryan. I am with you. I have a son in the navy that has done two tours in Iraq. Also this last time his outfit was to go he moved his wedding date up and got all the shots and was ready to go but could not because his rotation date was too close. He was pissed, needless to say, but hey that is life. I am very proud of my son and the many men and women over there. And one thing the military forgets is that this was voluntary. No DRAFT like in Vietnam. This is a total voluntary military. And like you said, they didn't know this was going to happen, but they like the paycheck and the benies they get.

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#283
Apr 30, 2007
 
"By George W. Bush vetoing this bill is just another reason why this man is a complete and total asshole!!!"

Watch the Bush haters on this one. Did you know that the democrates put in the min wage increase in the SAME BILL?

Watch them play this to the hilt. Bush veto the min. wage increase for the poor.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Apr 30, 2007
 
Look for the truth wrote:
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And what in the hell do you know? John Kerry represented the "WINTER SOLDIERS" over 1000 strong. He did it in spite of the fact many said it would hurt him in the future. It took courage. It came out after the election on the "back" pages that the Swift Boat Liars were just that. Why not read his words.
http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Joh...
He would have made one hell of a lot better president than Bush that stole 2 elections.
My quote was to JohninLa, I was defending kerry, go back to #11m& check.
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Apr 30, 2007
 
DavidM wrote:
"By George W. Bush vetoing this bill is just another reason why this man is a complete and total asshole!!!"
Watch the Bush haters on this one. Did you know that the democrates put in the min wage increase in the SAME BILL?
Watch them play this to the hilt. Bush veto the min. wage increase for the poor.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
20 BILLION dollars in pork-barrel spending having nothing to do with the military AND tying the hands of General Patreaus, who EVERY Democrat voted for! Amazing, isn't it? Well, at least they're revealing to everybody who they are and what they're all about!

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Apr 30, 2007
 
DavidM wrote:
"By George W. Bush vetoing this bill is just another reason why this man is a complete and total asshole!!!"
Watch the Bush haters on this one. Did you know that the democrates put in the min wage increase in the SAME BILL?
Watch them play this to the hilt. Bush veto the min. wage increase for the poor.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
don't forget the other "pork" in the bill.

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