Presidents often struggle in first de...

Presidents often struggle in first debates

There are 440 comments on the USA Today story from Oct 2, 2012, titled Presidents often struggle in first debates. In it, USA Today reports that:

When President Obama steps onto the debate stage Wednesday night in Denver, he'll seek to avoid what might be called "incumbents opening debate syndrome." Presidents seeking re-election have often struggled in their first debates: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush.

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Mass attack

United States

#295 Oct 5, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Call me when it hits 14,000.........or will that be rigged like the jobs numbers too.
It means zilch. There are a dozen reason this could be happening, none of which point to Obama's policies being smart, needed or even useful. Most likely, the temporary stimulus drove most of that money into the market by artificially lowering the returns on everything else. Where else can you go if Uncle Sam is setting interest rates at basically zero? But that's ALL done with borrowed money: either from the Chinese in the near future or our grandchildren in the longer run. It's like a legal ponzi scheme cooked up by the Fed to help re-elect Obama.

Or maybe the market was pleased to see Obama's total melt-down in Denver. Who knows? One thing is certain: Obama is still a clueless failure who has done nothing but make our debt rocket to the moon.

You can slice & dice it a million ways, but that $17 trillion is not going away anytime soon. It's as if you gave your teenage your credit card willingly and told him to do whatever he wishes. You now OWE for everything he did with it, no matter how childish or stupid.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#296 Oct 5, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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This is HORRIBLE!
Correction, lying bigot troll.

Since: Oct 12

Los Angeles, CA

#297 Oct 5, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Could you list the descrepecies and differences.........didn't think you could.
Last week his was for a tax cut for the wealth. Today no. Last week he didn't need the lazy 47%. This week they're cool. Last week Romneycare was the model for the nation. This week, Obamacare which is exactly the same is verbotten. Last week pre-existing conditions only covered if you're already insured. This week, everybody should be covered. Last week, Ryan budget was cool, this week, not. Should I go on? BTW: Obamacare is a GOP program supported by Mitten before the primaries. This week, it's the first thing to go.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#298 Oct 5, 2012
I'll concede, we have nothing to fear.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#299 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Last week his was for a tax cut for the wealth. Today no. Last week he didn't need the lazy 47%. This week they're cool. Last week Romneycare was the model for the nation. This week, Obamacare which is exactly the same is verbotten. Last week pre-existing conditions only covered if you're already insured. This week, everybody should be covered. Last week, Ryan budget was cool, this week, not. Should I go on? BTW: Obamacare is a GOP program supported by Mitten before the primaries. This week, it's the first thing to go.
Last week Obamabots lied about Romney.

This week they do the same.

Since: Oct 12

Los Angeles, CA

#300 Oct 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
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Last week Obamabots lied about Romney.
This week they do the same.
Way to go Mothra... if you can't discuss something intelligently, call the other person names and ask for their birth certificate.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#301 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Last week his was for a tax cut for the wealth. Today no. Last week he didn't need the lazy 47%. This week they're cool. Last week Romneycare was the model for the nation. This week, Obamacare which is exactly the same is verbotten. Last week pre-existing conditions only covered if you're already insured. This week, everybody should be covered. Last week, Ryan budget was cool, this week, not. Should I go on? BTW: Obamacare is a GOP program supported by Mitten before the primaries. This week, it's the first thing to go.
Fact check prove that a lie yesterday. ObamaScare isn't the same and you can't prove it is, Ryan isn't Romney next......

Fact Check: Obama says Romney opposed ending tax break – only he didn’t . What Obama caught in another lie……..say it ain’t so.

Questioner at Ryan
rally 'outraged' that Obama camp used exchange as 'political tool'
A woman who pressed Republican running mate Paul Ryan for details on his and Mitt Romney's tax plan says she's "outraged" that the Obama campaign tried to spin her inquiry for political purposes

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#302 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Way to go Mothra... if you can't discuss something intelligently, call the other person names and ask for their birth certificate.
Telling the truth is not calling names.........it's naming names.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#303 Oct 5, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Fact check prove that a lie yesterday.
Mitt Romney made numerous bogus claims in the Oct. 3 debate about the $90 billion in grants, guaranteed loans and tax breaks for energy projects in the stimulus bill:


Romney falsely claimed “about half” of the clean-energy companies that received U.S.-backed loans “have gone out of business.” But 26 companies received loan guarantees under a loan program cited by Romney, and three of those have filed for bankruptcy. The three firms were approved for about 6 percent of the loan guarantees.

Romney incorrectly claimed the “$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world” was provided “in one year.” It was two.

He stated at one point that Obama put $90 billion “into solar and wind.” But only $21 billion went for renewable energy projects,“such as the installation of wind turbines and solar panels,” according to a White House document cited by the Romney campaign. The spending also included $18 billion for transit projects and $10 billion to upgrade the nation’s electrical grid.

He falsely claimed the $90 billion was equal to “about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives” in tax breaks, which he estimated at $2.8 billion. By his own figures, it would have been 32 years’ worth. But it’s even less than that. The administration estimates that eliminating oil and gas tax preferences would raise about $3.9 billion a year (23 years’ worth). The industry itself says the administration would increase its taxes by $8.5 billion a year (10.5 years’ worth).

He falsely claimed Obama “put $90 billion into green jobs … that would have hired 2 million teachers.” But that $90 billion included loan guarantees, not just grant money, and the government can’t hire teachers with loan guarantees.

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Poor DumboSpammer: can't outrun the real facts.

Since: Oct 12

Los Angeles, CA

#304 Oct 5, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Fact check prove that a lie yesterday. ObamaScare isn't the same and you can't prove it is, Ryan isn't Romney next......
Fact Check: Obama says Romney opposed ending tax break – only he didn’t . What Obama caught in another lie……..say it ain’t so.
Questioner at Ryan
rally 'outraged' that Obama camp used exchange as 'political tool'
A woman who pressed Republican running mate Paul Ryan for details on his and Mitt Romney's tax plan says she's "outraged" that the Obama campaign tried to spin her inquiry for political purposes
Fact Check:$716B Roney claims POTUS cut from the medicare budget is EXACTLY the same amount cut from Medicare in the Ryan budget, which Mitten supports. Difference is almost of all of Obama's cuts are not to Medicare beneficiaries, but to providers who are over-charging for services, and most goes back into Medicare trust to make it solvent, and Ryan cuts go to tax breaks for the wealthy.
Cat74

United States

#305 Oct 5, 2012
The people who kept track of the lying Wednesday said Obama is the biggest story teller. Both made false statements, but Obama by far made the most. Obama has that abandonment problem from being abandoned by his parents when he was young. He tends to create his own reality. That is fine unless he wants the rest of us to be part of it.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#306 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Way to go Mothra... if you can't discuss something intelligently, call the other person names and ask for their birth certificate.
As you didn't present an 'intelligent' argument my response was appropriate.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#307 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Fact Check:$716B Roney claims POTUS cut from the medicare budget is EXACTLY the same amount cut from Medicare in the Ryan budget, which Mitten supports. Difference is almost of all of Obama's cuts are not to Medicare beneficiaries, but to providers who are over-charging for services, and most goes back into Medicare trust to make it solvent, and Ryan cuts go to tax breaks for the wealthy.
<sigh>

Please provide evidence for your "intelligent" arguments.

You're just citing the same mindless talking points Democrats have been using for months.

Since: Oct 12

Los Angeles, CA

#308 Oct 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
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<sigh>
Please provide evidence for your "intelligent" arguments.
You're just citing the same mindless talking points Democrats have been using for months.
Check this, and if necessary go look at the Ryan budget:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#309 Oct 5, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
The people who kept track of the lying Wednesday said Obama is the biggest story teller.
How would you know, Pinocchio?

You insisted that one Democrats out of three voted illegally in 2008.

You see the GOP - in real life- got caught in a real voter fraud in six states something playing out this election, Lying CNTT74?
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#310 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Check this, and if necessary go look at the Ryan budget:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
From your source:
Ryan: "Well, our budget keeps that money for Medicare to extend its solvency. What Obamacare does is it takes that money from Medicare to spend on Obamacare...." (Read the full exchange.)

So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings.

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Huh?

Ryan says it keeps the money in Medicare but Politifact determines that it doesn't?

Sorry... epic fail.

Since: Oct 12

Los Angeles, CA

#311 Oct 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
From your source:
Ryan: "Well, our budget keeps that money for Medicare to extend its solvency. What Obamacare does is it takes that money from Medicare to spend on Obamacare...." (Read the full exchange.)
So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings.
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Huh?
Ryan says it keeps the money in Medicare but Politifact determines that it doesn't?
Sorry... epic fail.
Read it and the Ryan budget again. There is nothing anywhere in them that commits them to putting the money back into Medicare for solvency. That bogus claim is another tea party hoax. POTUS plan is an open book. You can look at it by line item... no secrets.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#312 Oct 5, 2012
tardy4party wrote:
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Read it and the Ryan budget again. There is nothing anywhere in them that commits them to putting the money back into Medicare for solvency. That bogus claim is another tea party hoax. POTUS plan is an open book. You can look at it by line item... no secrets.
Ryan: "Well, our budget keeps that money for Medicare to extend its solvency.

So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings.
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Again, Polifact makes an assertion that is clearly opposite of the 'proof' it's using against Ryan.

Like I said... epic fail.
see the light

United States

#313 Oct 5, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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I'm on your side. I'm just a bit afraid that Obammy was baiting Bishop Rmoney, allowing him to talk too much. Bishop Rmoney ended up saying more lies than were necessary. There's blowback as a result. Obammy lost the battle, but seems to be winning the war.
Keep DREAMING!
America is Not the Same

Overland Park, KS

#314 Oct 6, 2012
Obama will be well done fried chicken after the next debate
Next debate is on foreign policy, which Odumbo has none.
All the dirty Chicago style politics has come back to haunt Odumbo

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