Why “Gay Marriage” is Not Inevitable

Dec 30, 2012 Full story: Free Republic 16

Election Day was a drubbing for marriage. The ballot initiatives to protect marriage lost by over 4% in Maine, Minnesota, Washington State, and Maryland.

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David

Houston, TX

#2 Dec 30, 2012
I just finished reading the comments for the article. Wow! Just, Wow! The rampant idiocy is startling indeed!

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#3 Dec 30, 2012
David wrote:
I just finished reading the comments for the article. Wow! Just, Wow! The rampant idiocy is startling indeed!
The article originally appears in a conservative Catholic online publication, Crisis Magazine.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/why-gay-ma...

The comments there are a little more respectful, if not very analytically sophisticated. Many of them take the author's bogus claims wholly at face value. At least one commenter is a gay man who is targeted for rather ad hominem arguments for his views.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Dec 31, 2012
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The article originally appears in a conservative Catholic online publication, Crisis Magazine.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/why-gay-ma...
The comments there are a little more respectful, if not very analytically sophisticated. Many of them take the author's bogus claims wholly at face value. At least one commenter is a gay man who is targeted for rather ad hominem arguments for his views.
It's interesting how civil the Catholics tend to be with their demeaning comments. I tend to prefer to debate them because of that too, it's a whole different class of delusion.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#6 Dec 31, 2012
The author of this article is none other than Luis Tellez. Mr Tellez is the founder and president of the Witherspoon Institute - the right-wing organization that paid Mr Regnerus to come up with a sociological "study" proving that children raised by gay parents did not fare as well as children raised by heterosexual couples. Of course the study was a sham and was denounced by hundreds of professional sociologists.

So here's the president of the organization that gave Regnerus a pretty health paycheck for his so-called "study," still pointing to the faulty results of the study for which he and his organiation paid.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Dec 31, 2012
Qwerty26 wrote:
The author of this article is none other than Luis Tellez. Mr Tellez is the founder and president of the Witherspoon Institute - the right-wing organization that paid Mr Regnerus to come up with a sociological "study" proving that children raised by gay parents did not fare as well as children raised by heterosexual couples. Of course the study was a sham and was denounced by hundreds of professional sociologists.
So here's the president of the organization that gave Regnerus a pretty health paycheck for his so-called "study," still pointing to the faulty results of the study for which he and his organiation paid.
You honestly expected honesty from them? I hope not.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#8 Dec 31, 2012
Another little nugget from our Witherspoon president:

Tellez tells us that "Psychologically, it matters how questions are asked."

Then he goes on to say 'A national post-election survey conducted on Election Day by The Polling Company, Inc., showed that 60% of American voters agree that “marriage is between one man and one woman,”...'

WTF, I'm in agreement with that statement (marriage is between a man and a woman). But that's not the whole story, is it? I'm also in agreement with marriage between two men, or two women. But this question doesn't give any such option.

Seeing such an example of shoddy writing from the president of the organization that paid Regnerus for his sham "study," is it any surprise that Regnerus' writing follows in the same vein?

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#9 Dec 31, 2012
What I always find interesting in the idea that "it will never happen in the US" is the lack of an international perspective. Same-sex marriage is becoming commonplace and will continue to do so. There are 11 countries that recognize it, including one (Argentina) which has a very large population. There are at least three more - Uruguay, France and New Zealand - that are likely to do so in 2013 and the United Kingdom will probably follow suit.

This is not an American trend, one way or the other. It is an international trend. The internet has meant - except in countries that can successfully censor it = that ideas are exchanged all over nowadays. Americans, however, keep living in a vacuum.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#10 Dec 31, 2012
And then there is this response to the New Family Structures Study that was quoted in the article:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexua...

Notice it is from Psychology Today

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#11 Dec 31, 2012
David wrote:
I just finished reading the comments for the article. Wow! Just, Wow! The rampant idiocy is startling indeed!
The first paragraph is a dead give-away. The stats they report on spending are highly inaccurate (and that's putting it mildly).

The general consensus is that the anti gays spent over $10 million in just one of those States.

Once Maine finally gets NOM to obey a court order from 2009 we may finally get the internal documents from NOM about their donations.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#12 Dec 31, 2012
BTW I looked up the study they cited. It appears it hasn't even been completed!

New Family Structure Study (NFSS)
Publications

see:

http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/publications.h...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 Dec 31, 2012
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The article originally appears in a conservative Catholic online publication, Crisis Magazine.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/why-gay-ma...
The comments there are a little more respectful, if not very analytically sophisticated. Many of them take the author's bogus claims wholly at face value. At least one commenter is a gay man who is targeted for rather ad hominem arguments for his views.
I'm glad you caught that.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Dec 31, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you caught that.
I just can't stand being on a Free Republic page for even a few seconds. If I start looking at the wingnut responses, I feel like I need to take a shower.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#15 Dec 31, 2012
DNF wrote:
BTW I looked up the study they cited. It appears it hasn't even been completed!
New Family Structure Study (NFSS)
Publications
see:
http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/publications.h...
Read some of the Pdf links to the left.
Head Creeps

Huntington, MA

#16 Dec 31, 2012
Don't forget the voting DOWN in NC.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17 Dec 31, 2012
David wrote:
I just finished reading the comments for the article. Wow! Just, Wow! The rampant idiocy is startling indeed!
That's the Free Republic website for you, it attracts a crowd that makes Topix look like a meeting of Mensa. But then again, this site looks at that one as a legitimate news source.
TheTroll Stopper

Roanoke, VA

#18 Jan 1, 2013
Free Republic? Dismissed. NEXT!

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