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HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#267 Aug 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I don't care what you call therapy, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Psychotherapist: Psycho . the . rapist
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#268 Aug 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
First of all, it doesn't say he is ON any "mind-drugs", so that blows your theory. Secondly, PTSD is a legally-recognized diagnosis found to be involved in many gun crimes and acts of violence. Your opinion has not been asked and it means nothing anyway.
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How PTSD took over America

The diagnosis is now being applied to everything from muggings to childbirth. An expert explains why it's bad news

Pasted from < http://news.salon.com/2011/12/27/therapists_r... ;

In the past 30 years, post-traumatic stress disorder has gone from exotic rarity to omnipresent. Once chiefly applied to wartime veterans returning from combat, it is now a much more common diagnosis, still linked to traumatic events but now including those occurring outside the battle zone: the death of a loved one on a hospital bed, a car crash on the highway, an assault in the neighborhood park. Many would argue that this is a good thing: greater recognition of psychologically distressing events will lead to more people seeking treatment and a decrease in the preponderance of PTSD – a win-win.

Stephen Joseph disagrees. In his new book,“What Doesn’t Kill Us,” the professor of psychology, health and social care at the University of Nottingham (in the U.K.) warns that our culture’s acceptance of PTSD has become excessive and has led to an over-medicalization of experiences that should be considered part of ordinary, normal, human experience. This has kept us from proactively working through our grief and anxiety: We’ve become too quick to go to the shrink expecting him to fix us, rather than allowing ourselves the opportunity to grow and find new meaning in our lives as a result of painful, but common, events. Joseph advocates for a push toward post-traumatic growth as therapy to treat the stress of trauma, which he distinguishes as being different from the hokey, blue skies and rainbows, pop psychology that he claims has exploded in our culture in the past decade.
Joseph spoke to Salon over the phone to discuss our misunderstanding of the disorders, the meaning and usefulness of suffering, and if some cultures are more prone to PTSD than others.
How would you define a traumatic event? Is it subjective or are there some basic requirements that must be met?

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http://news.salon.com/2011/12/27/therapists_r...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#269 Aug 21, 2013
The clinical presentation of depression and anxiety to the society is another money maker.

Everyone is Depressed.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#270 Aug 21, 2013
altimore Sun's article by Lisa Chedekel and Matthew Kauffman " Policies on mentally troubled troops questioned" is informative to the problems of psychotropic drug usage on the war front.

http://xml.dailypress.com/news/nationworld/ba...

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#271 Aug 21, 2013
We get that you have come to believe that psychology and psychiatry are nothing more than some sort of scam and that there are folk who agree with bits and pieces of your assessment; but what you aren't getting is that most of this audience either have benefited themselves from one, the other, or both, or knows someone who has.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#272 Aug 21, 2013
They aren't passed out like candy, and most such people are taking the meds before they enlist. If you are selling drugs you are supposed to be taking, the fault isn't the drug's, obviously.
HumanSpirit wrote:
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He should have never been on mind drugs which are just passed out like candy.
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The Army's suicide report drew a link between a significant increase in prescription drug use among troops and the service's rising suicide rate.
It also raised serious concerns about troops trafficking in prescription drugs.
Jackson, the former Navy psychiatrist, now has a civilian practice in Greensboro, N.C. She said at least one drug on the CENTCOM formulary -- Depakote, an anticonvulsant, which military doctors prescribe for mood control -- carries serious physical risks for troops. Depakote is toxic to certain cells, including hair cells in the ears, and can lead to hearing loss. Troops in a howitzer battery who already run the risk of hearing loss should not take Depakote, she said.
The medication also can cause what she calls "cognitive toxicity," also known as Depakote dementia, impairing a person's ability to think and make decisions. Jackson said that while Depakote has been investigated as an adjunct therapy for cancer, its use has been limited due to the drug's effects on cognition.
The antidepressant Wellbutrin, also on the CENTCOM formulary, likely poses a long-term risk of Parkinson's disease, especially for older troops, said Jackson, author of Drug-Induced Dementia: A Perfect Crime (AuthorHouse, 2009).
Jackson and Breggin both expressed deep concerns about Xanax, perhaps the most addictive of all benzodiazepines, a class of depressant medications used to treat anxiety, on the CENTCOM formulary.
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Breggin, author of Medication Madness: The Role of Psychiatric Drugs in Cases of Violence, Suicide and Crime (St. Martin's Griffin, 2009), called Xanax "solid alcohol" and said all the benzodiazepines on the CENTCOM formulary "amount to a prescription for abuse." He also said there is no rationale for prescribing multiple psychotropic drugs to troops.
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Nightmare
Stan White, a retired high school teacher who lives in the small town of Cross Lanes, W.Va., has observed the effects Seroquel can have. When his son Andrew returned from a tour in Iraq with the Marine Reserve 4th Combat Engineer Battalion in 2007, he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and was prescribed three psychotropic drugs, including Seroquel, by the Huntington Veterans Affairs Medical Center, White said.
VA started Andrew on 25 milligrams of Seroquel a day and upped the dose to 1,600 milligrams a day (the CENTCOM-approved dose is 25 milligrams a day). Andrew White died in his sleep Feb. 12, 2008, six months after seeking help.
White said Andrew was so befuddled by his drug cocktail, which included Klonopin, a benzodiazepine, and hydrocodone, an opiate, that his wife, Shirley, had to dole them out forAndrew. White said Seroquel did not diminish Andrew's nightmares at even such a high dosage.
While talk therapy is widely viewed as one of the most effective treatments for some mental health problems, including PTSD, White said Andrew had only a few such sessions, primarily with a local veterans' peer therapy group. It was not until the week Andrew died that a VA psychiatrist decided to begin intensive sessions with him.
Stan White says his mission in life today is to expose the dangers of Seroquel. The drug, he said, "turns people unto zombies. I cannot imagine going into battle on Seroquel."
http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110118_89...

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#273 Aug 21, 2013
Exactly. There are no guarantees in medicine; that doesn't mean it's a fraud.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
We get that you have come to believe that psychology and psychiatry are nothing more than some sort of scam and that there are folk who agree with bits and pieces of your assessment; but what you aren't getting is that most of this audience either have benefited themselves from one, the other, or both, or knows someone who has.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#274 Aug 21, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
We get that you have come to believe that psychology and psychiatry are nothing more than some sort of scam and that there are folk who agree with bits and pieces of your assessment; but what you aren't getting is that most of this audience either have benefited themselves from one, the other, or both, or knows someone who has.
It's not a science and many uses of the Mental Health Industry is to scam the public and the health and welfare and the government for the payment. There is political agenda.

Of course there are people that agree with me as they have experienced the horror of mind control and the destruction of their family from the mental health industry and the social engineering and these people are in search of the horror with the crimes and atrocities that happen to them.

As for this thread in the psychiatry Forum I agree it has interested parties on two sides of the issue that are in all issues silent. What constitutes the silent majority is forever unknown.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#275 Aug 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Exactly. There are no guarantees in medicine; that doesn't mean it's a fraud.
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n the United States habeas corpus applies to any kind of confinement, including psychiatric hospitalization.

NOTE: Bush did away with the habeas corpus.

Article:

Locking up as mentally ill those who refuse to obey a tyrannical state was a favorite tactic of Stalin and his successors. The New Europe is learning to love this reinforcement of government power.

According to Paul Belien, the editor of Brussels Journal, a sixteen-year old girl in Germany has been locked up in a psychiatric ward for "school phobia" --- resisting state schooling after years of being home schooled. Belien quotes the one-paragraph psychiatrist's report on Melissa Busekros. Judging by her photo, she seems about as healthy and normal as teenage girls get. One "Dr. Siegfried Schanda" --- I'm not kidding, this is not a Franz Kafka or Dickens story --- summarized her psychiatric "disorder" as follows:
"Melissa Busekros was examined by us. She has a childhood emotional disorder, severe school phobia and an oppositional denial-syndrome. Melissa lacks insight into her illness and the need for treatment, and considers herself healthy and her behaviour fully normal. M. needs urgent help in a closed setting if need be, and subsequent special education treatment to ensure schooling."

This diagnosis could mean anything, it is so generic. There are no details, no evidence is presented. "Childhood emotional disorder" could be Melissa's upset about being arrested and taken away from her home. "Severe school phobia" could be unwarranted fear of going to school, which some young children do have. But phobias are unwanted fears that the patient is trying to get rid of --- not voluntary resistance to coercion. A healthy teenager who resists coercive public schooling seems more likely to be vigorously stating her political position, when she has been personally dedicated to being schooled at home. In the US, psychiatric patients cannot be confined even for 24 hours unless they are demonstrably "a danger to themselves or others." The burden of proof is on the state, not the patient. "School phobia" hardly qualifies as a danger to self or other, and being locked up makes no sense for any kind of phobia.

"Melissa lacks insight into her illness and the need for treatment, and considers herself healthy and her behaviour fully normal." This note suggests that there is no "school phobia," but rather a passionate disagreement about what is deemed "healthy and fully normal." Likewise, "oppositional denial-syndrome" sounds like nonsense. All teenagers are oppositional at times --- it's how they develop their personal autonomy. "Denial" is an inability to acknowledge important realities. How one can be oppositional and in denial at the same time is a mystery. It sounds like Dr. Schanda is using psychiatric gobbledygook.

Finally, "M. needs urgent help in a closed setting if need be, and subsequent special education treatment to ensure schooling." This is completely Kafkaesque. "Needs urgent help" --- why urgently? Is her "school phobia" a threat to herself or others? "... in a closed setting if need be..." A locked psychiatric ward? For how long? Until she gives in? "... and subsequent special education treatment to ensure schooling." By which kind Dr. Schanda means state schooling, of course, as if there isn't anything else.

On the face of it this looks like classic Soviet-style abuse of psychiatry for political control. The Soviets used to shoot dissidents full of anti-psychotic drugs and mix them together with the psychotic asylum population for "anti-Soviet behavior," which was considered to be a psychiatric "diagnosis." That outrageous abuse of medical power was dropped decades ago, when Soviet psychiatrists were shamed by in the Western media. Psychiatrists all over the world were outraged by Soviet corruption of their field.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#277 Aug 22, 2013
Habeas Corpus: Latin for "you have the body," it is a writ (court order) which directs the law enforcement officials (prison administrators, police or sheriff) who have custody of a prisoner to appear in court with the prisoner to help the judge determine whether the prisoner is lawfully in prison or jail.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx...
No, it doesn't apply to any kind of confinement. Someone thought to be acting erratically and demonstrating destructive behavior can be held for 72 hours maximum for observation. If found to be in need of treatment (and thus not competent), then legal proceedings will determine a guardian--a relative, spouse, or the state--to make decisions for him.
The problem too often is that the government DOESN'T act--a large percentage of our homeless population is mentally ill.
None of this has to do with germany; they have their own laws, not to mention their own language--what you read is someone's translation, and who knows how accurate it is?
HumanSpirit wrote:
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1/2
n the United States habeas corpus applies to any kind of confinement, including psychiatric hospitalization.
NOTE: Bush did away with the habeas corpus.
Article:
Locking up as mentally ill those who refuse to obey a tyrannical state was a favorite tactic of Stalin and his successors. The New Europe is learning to love this reinforcement of government power.
According to Paul Belien, the editor of Brussels Journal, a sixteen-year old girl in Germany has been locked up in a psychiatric ward for "school phobia" --- resisting state schooling after years of being home schooled. Belien quotes the one-paragraph psychiatrist's report on Melissa Busekros. Judging by her photo, she seems about as healthy and normal as teenage girls get. One "Dr. Siegfried Schanda" --- I'm not kidding, this is not a Franz Kafka or Dickens story --- summarized her psychiatric "disorder" as follows:
"Melissa Busekros was examined by us. She has a childhood emotional disorder, severe school phobia and an oppositional denial-syndrome. Melissa lacks insight into her illness and the need for treatment, and considers herself healthy and her behaviour fully normal. M. needs urgent help in a closed setting if need be, and subsequent special education treatment to ensure schooling."
This diagnosis could mean anything, it is so generic. There are no details, no evidence is presented. "Childhood emotional disorder" could be Melissa's upset about being arrested and taken away from her home. "Severe school phobia" could be unwarranted fear of going to school, which some young children do have. But phobias are unwanted fears that the patient is trying to get rid of --- not voluntary resistance to coercion. A healthy teenager who resists coercive public schooling seems more likely to be vigorously stating her political position, when she has been personally dedicated to being schooled at home. In the US, psychiatric patients cannot be confined even for 24 hours unless they are demonstrably "a danger to themselves or others." The burden of proof is on the state, not the patient. "School phobia" hardly qualifies as a danger to self or other, and being locked up makes no sense for any kind of phobia.
"Melissa lacks insight into her illness and the need for treatment, and considers herself healthy and her behaviour fully normal." This note suggests that there is no "school phobia," but rather a passionate disagreement about what is deemed "healthy and fully normal." Likewise, "oppositional denial-syndrome" sounds like nonsense. All teenagers are oppositional at times --- it's how they develop their personal autonomy. "Denial" is an inability to acknowledge important realities. How one can be oppositional and in denial at the same time is a mystery. It sounds like Dr. Schanda is using psychiatric gobbledygook.
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Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#278 Aug 22, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
There is no science to psychiatry. No medical model. No evidence based medicine and no test for chemical balance.
You are dumber than a bag of wet hair.... and NOT a convincing liar.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#279 Aug 22, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
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You are dumber than a bag of wet hair.... and NOT a convincing liar.
As always, It's important to navigate and steer our lives into open waters to avoid the shoals of stupidity and sink
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#280 Aug 22, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Habeas Corpus: Latin for "you have the body," it is a writ (court order) which directs the law enforcement officials (prison administrators, police or sheriff) who have custody of a prisoner to appear in court with the prisoner to help the judge determine whether the prisoner is lawfully in prison or jail.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx...
No, it doesn't apply to any kind of confinement. Someone thought to be acting erratically and demonstrating destructive behavior can be held for 72 hours maximum for observation. If found to be in need of treatment (and thus not competent), then legal proceedings will determine a guardian--a relative, spouse, or the state--to make decisions for him.
The problem too often is that the government DOESN'T act--a large percentage of our homeless population is mentally ill.
None of this has to do with germany; they have their own laws, not to mention their own language--what you read is someone's translation, and who knows how accurate it is?
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Be back to respond to you as I have an engagement.

In the mean while, prop up your argument with some direction and plan to turn and go down hill and gather up some get away speed . Be back.

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