Mass. Bill Would Ban Sexual Orientati...

Mass. Bill Would Ban Sexual Orientation Therapy

There are 253 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 16, 2013, titled Mass. Bill Would Ban Sexual Orientation Therapy. In it, EDGE reports that:

Gay rights activists are planning to gather at the Statehouse in support of a bill that would ban therapy on minors that seeks to change their sexual orientation.

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MKN

Bellville, TX

#1 Jul 16, 2013
Why can't parents love their children for who they are, forget the labels. If they decide later in life to seek counseling then let them, but let them live their lives for who they are.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2 Jul 16, 2013
MKN wrote:
Why can't parents love their children for who they are, forget the labels. If they decide later in life to seek counseling then let them, but let them live their lives for who they are.
Who is that state rep to tell parents what to do? My guess is that by 18 he has another voter. A man that can never produce children with his partner wants to tell people who can what they should do with their kids. An abnormal person wants to control normal people. Only in the Gay State.
All Clans

Knoxville, TN

#3 Jul 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
An abnormal person wants to control normal people. Only in the Gay State.
Is that the nickname for Massachusetts? Does sound about right.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#4 Jul 16, 2013
Minors do have acknowledged rights, one of which is to be safe from physical and mental abuse. Conversion therapy is not just a waste of time, but has been documented to cause harm to patients subjected to it.
Wondering wrote:
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Who is that state rep to tell parents what to do? My guess is that by 18 he has another voter. A man that can never produce children with his partner wants to tell people who can what they should do with their kids. An abnormal person wants to control normal people. Only in the Gay State.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#5 Jul 16, 2013
All Clans wrote:
<quoted text>Is that the nickname for Massachusetts? Does sound about right.
Careful.2000-2010, same-sex couple household growth rate:
TN 60.2%
MA 52.3%

9. "Decennial Census Data on Same Sex Couples". Same Sex Couples. U.S. Census Bureau. Retrieved 30 June 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographic...
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#6 Jul 16, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Minors do have acknowledged rights, one of which is to be safe from physical and mental abuse.
Isn't that why you're so against bullying, and only against gays.
Some gay state rep has no right to dictate what parents should expect from their children when he couldn't produce a child with his partner if he tried 24/7. Do you know why he can't?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Jul 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Who is that state rep to tell parents what to do? My guess is that by 18 he has another voter. A man that can never produce children with his partner wants to tell people who can what they should do with their kids. An abnormal person wants to control normal people. Only in the Gay State.
Well, if the heterosexual breeders would actually learn how to raise their children, then no one would have to tell them what to do.

Fun fact: A vast majority of child abuse cases are perpetrated by their heterosexual parents.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#8 Jul 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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1. Well, if the heterosexual breeders would actually learn how to raise their children, then no one would have to tell them what to do.
2. Fun fact: A vast majority of child abuse cases are perpetrated by their heterosexual parents.
1. Never had the problem, all children are normal.
2. Duh, because gay couple can't produce children. Because all children are created by one man and one woman. Fun fact: When I was a kid the last thing in the world I'd want to deal with is having same sex parents. Gay adoption is child abuse in my opinion.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#10 Jul 16, 2013
Then by your logic, straight politicians shouldn't tell gays what they expect from us, and yet they try to do so all the time. BTW--lots of heteros can't produce children with their partner, too. Doesn't mean either group can't be parents, or care about the welfare of minors.

Conversion therapy has been adjudged by the APA and AMA as both ineffective and damaging. The government has every right and authority to protect american citizens from quackery--especially when that citizen is a minor and not able to deny the procedure. It's one thing to voluntarily undergo such "therapy" as an adult, but forcing it on a minor is heinous.
Wondering wrote:
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Isn't that why you're so against bullying, and only against gays.
Some gay state rep has no right to dictate what parents should expect from their children when he couldn't produce a child with his partner if he tried 24/7. Do you know why he can't?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Jul 17, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Never had the problem, all children are normal.
2. Duh, because gay couple can't produce children. Because all children are created by one man and one woman. Fun fact: When I was a kid the last thing in the world I'd want to deal with is having same sex parents. Gay adoption is child abuse in my opinion.
Normal is only possible for machines, so you think all children are nothing but machines. That explains a lot about why you ignore the abuse of children.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#13 Jul 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Normal is only possible for machines, so you think all children are nothing but machines. That explains a lot about why you ignore the abuse of children.
Your logic makes as much sense as your sexual preference.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#15 Jul 17, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Your logic makes as much sense as your sexual preference.
You are in no position to judge logic, as evidenced from your posts.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#16 Jul 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Then by your logic, straight politicians shouldn't tell gays what they expect from us, and yet they try to do so all the time. BTW--lots of heteros can't produce children with their partner, too. Doesn't mean either group can't be parents, or care about the welfare of minors.
Conversion therapy has been adjudged by the APA and AMA as both ineffective and damaging. The government has every right and authority to protect american citizens from quackery--especially when that citizen is a minor and not able to deny the procedure. It's one thing to voluntarily undergo such "therapy" as an adult, but forcing it on a minor is heinous.
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No science to the Mental Health Industry. The falsehood of chemical imbalance of the brain and the APA admitting to the falsehood would disqualify any other statement of the industry.

The change of personality by mind drugs should be noted and the Pharmaceutical mind drugging of children in grade school is known to exist. The loss of sexual preference of a child who was mind drugged should be considered a Human and Civil right.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#17 Jul 21, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text> No science to the Mental Health Industry. The falsehood of chemical imbalance of the brain and the APA admitting to the falsehood would disqualify any other statement of the industry.
The change of personality by mind drugs should be noted and the Pharmaceutical mind drugging of children in grade school is known to exist. The loss of sexual preference of a child who was mind drugged should be considered a Human and Civil right.
Inaccurate, psychiatry is a stereotype based notion, yes, but psychology is the understanding of how the brain functions and is based on lots of hard science. The two are distinguishable by this:

Psychiatry tells you how to think.

Psychology asks how you think.

Although it's good to point out that since drugs can alter personalities, there is evidence against a soul, spirit, or any other supernatural existence beyond our own. Science is always improving, always finding new answers, and new questions, for us, it's the best tool we have for understanding the universe. We also know that sex drive is genetically driven.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#28 Jul 23, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
<quoted text> No science to the Mental Health Industry.
Ignoring the facts doesn't invalidate them.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#29 Jul 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Inaccurate, psychiatry is a stereotype based notion, yes, but psychology is the understanding of how the brain functions and is based on lots of hard science. The two are distinguishable by this:
Psychiatry tells you how to think.
Psychology asks how you think.
Although it's good to point out that since drugs can alter personalities, there is evidence against a soul, spirit, or any other supernatural existence beyond our own. Science is always improving, always finding new answers, and new questions, for us, it's the best tool we have for understanding the universe. We also know that sex drive is genetically driven.
IMO: The mental health industry (psychiatry) is nothing more than a method of social control..."

"I believe the practice of medicine is predicated on something called the "medical model," which doctors learn in medical school that has a set of procedures by which they practice medicine. To me, a diagnosis is dependent on a pathology: something requiring a physical exam, X-rays, EKG, EEG, fluid specimen. Psychiatry, Psychologist, psychotherapist" do not have a medical model and there is no test for chemical imbalance according to the American Psychiatric Association.

Psychiatry to me is misplaced in academia and belongs in social medicine. Psychology should be part of anthropology and brains are topics of biology.

There is no evident based medicine and "no test" for chemical imbalance. There is no clear definition of what they are doing on ECT and how much memory would be erased or the damage to the biological tissue of the brain by the voltage and current. The same with psychotropic drugs.

. If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without an Xray or MRI he would washing cars the next morning, yet, we allow psychiatry to alter the mind with prescriptions of psychotropic drugs and shock therapy without any checks and balances

The industry is political.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#30 Jul 26, 2013
PA lies to the American Public and puts the society in danger

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

The fraud in psychiatry has been going on for more then 40 years since H W Bush was CEO, Eli Lilly and before that time as VP under the Reagan Presidency.

There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"

Snip:

"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#31 Jul 26, 2013
There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other (made to order)diagnoses by any neurological study.

Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry.

The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see how the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#32 Jul 26, 2013
Without a test for chemical balance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry. Psychiatry wouldn't know a good chemical balance from a bad chemical balance of the brain. It was a fraud designed to drug and addict the American (world) population and to create a mentally compromised person for political and financial reasons. It's all about power and control over the society. There is no science

The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of the behavior and hearsay at the discretion of a questionable licensed therapist (psychiatrist) who makes money from the prescription drugs and office visits.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, illness, electrolyte level, gender differences, body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on a chemical imbalance.

There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other made to order diagnoses by any neurological study. There is no medical model. There is No evidence based medicine. There is No Imaging device designed to tell a good brain from a defective brain.

The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay concerning the emotions and thought.

APA lies to the American Public and puts the society in danger

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#33 Jul 27, 2013
Isn't it odd that the people who could benefit the most from psychiatry think it's not a science and attempt to write it off as "opinion."

YOU put in 12 years in Medical School, and THEN you can have an opinion about psychiatry.

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