Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists

Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists

There are 111 comments on the WPTZ-TV Plattsburgh story from Nov 27, 2012, titled Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists. In it, WPTZ-TV Plattsburgh reports that:

Before Sheldon Bruck told his orthodox Jewish parents he was gay, the teenager looked for a way out of homosexuality.

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#111 Dec 8, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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You can't separate the two aspects of the human being and their growth into their sexual orientation. Any shrink worth their book learning will tell you that.
Physical behavior begins at infancy. Soon the development of intellect rises and with physical behavior the two become inseparable till death.
It is safe to say (though their may be exceptions) we all in childhood begin with a feeling of an attraction that we don't understand. As we watch and listen and learn from others as we age into adolescence, we begin to understand our attraction and if it's found acceptable or not by those closest to us. That is where we usually begin to understand what our sexual orientation is about and for whom we're attracted to and whom were not attracted to. But it is usually through trail and error as it's called that we learn for sure who we are attracted to.
Do celibate people have a sexual orientation (enduring pattern of emotional and physical attraction)?

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#112 Dec 8, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Do celibate people have a sexual orientation (enduring pattern of emotional and physical attraction)?
"Celibate" means "unmarried".

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#113 Dec 8, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Do celibate people have a sexual orientation (enduring pattern of emotional and physical attraction)?
It can be debated yes and no.
IF, and that's a big If for the actual rare cases that in probability exist, people choosing celibacy from an early age "prior" to having even a single relationship, I would say no. They don't have a sexual orientation. They would have an undeveloped sexual attraction yes. For them never having acted on their attraction to whom they feel attracted to, they would have an undeveloped sexual attraction/sexual orientation.
Celibate people define their attraction without any experiences that would give credit to how they feel. It would be just a "feeling" and nothing more.
But like anyone else, if they decided to explore their sexual attraction, everything would change for them as it becomes for non-celibates.

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#114 Dec 9, 2012
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"Celibate" means "unmarried".
While true, the common understanding as one who abstains from sexual intercourse is so widespread, it has made it into the books.(You made me look):)

Do you have a better, commonly understood, term?

Abstinent perhaps?

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#115 Dec 9, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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It can be debated yes and no.
IF, and that's a big If for the actual rare cases that in probability exist, people choosing celibacy from an early age "prior" to having even a single relationship, I would say no. They don't have a sexual orientation. They would have an undeveloped sexual attraction yes. For them never having acted on their attraction to whom they feel attracted to, they would have an undeveloped sexual attraction/sexual orientation.
Celibate people define their attraction without any experiences that would give credit to how they feel. It would be just a "feeling" and nothing more.
But like anyone else, if they decided to explore their sexual attraction, everything would change for them as it becomes for non-celibates.
My straight friends knew their sexual orientation long before they could find a willing opposite sex partner.

It appears you are still conflating emotional and physical attraction with the expression of that attraction. But it also seems you are realizing emotional and physical attraction are feelings that can exist without acting on those feelings. Much like hunger, it exists whether you act on it or not. How you learn to express it includes acting on it, but the feelings exist even before you act on them, and even if you never act on them.

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#116 Dec 9, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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While true, the common understanding as one who abstains from sexual intercourse is so widespread, it has made it into the books.(You made me look):)
Do you have a better, commonly understood, term?
Abstinent perhaps?
Chaste.

(Why surrender to the dumbing-down of the masses?)

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#117 Dec 9, 2012
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Chaste.
(Why surrender to the dumbing-down of the masses?)
Chased but never caught?:)

(Communication requires using the language understood by the target audience, eh?)

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#118 Dec 9, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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While true, the common understanding as one who abstains from sexual intercourse is so widespread, it has made it into the books.(You made me look):)
Do you have a better, commonly understood, term?
Abstinent perhaps?
Merriam-Webster (if it helps.)

Definition of CELIBACY

1
: the state of not being married
2
a : abstention from sexual intercourse
b : abstention by vow from marriage

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#119 Dec 9, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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My straight friends knew their sexual orientation long before they could find a willing opposite sex partner.
It appears you are still conflating emotional and physical attraction with the expression of that attraction. But it also seems you are realizing emotional and physical attraction are feelings that can exist without acting on those feelings. Much like hunger, it exists whether you act on it or not. How you learn to express it includes acting on it, but the feelings exist even before you act on them, and even if you never act on them.
I'll call you on that one and say not. Improbable and almost(with rare exceptions contained in the understandings of geniuses at very early ages)impossible to know one's sexual orientation prior to adolescence.
See, you're forgetting to know one's sexual orientation means one has to have a level of intelligence that reveals that information to them. The majority of people prior to adolescence haven't been around long enough to gather up enough information by experience to understand which sexual orientation is theirs.
So yes, for most prior to adolescence having a beginning knowledge of one's sexual orientation begins with the identifying experiences of emotional and physical happenings.
It's a learning process. Some learn early, most learn later. And yes, attraction exists in us all to varying degrees from early childhood years.
ronone

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#120 Dec 10, 2012
youtube.com/watch... ……Hypnotism
maybe,But being Gay is a sexual choice not a Illness,Mental Disorder?

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#121 Dec 10, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Chased but never caught?:)
(Communication requires using the language understood by the target audience, eh?)
Why talk down to people? Expect them to rise toward their by using a decent (not populist) dictionary.

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