Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists

Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists

There are 111 comments on the WPTZ-TV Plattsburgh story from Nov 27, 2012, titled Gay men sue 'conversion' therapists. In it, WPTZ-TV Plattsburgh reports that:

Before Sheldon Bruck told his orthodox Jewish parents he was gay, the teenager looked for a way out of homosexuality.

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Since: Jun 11

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#22 Nov 27, 2012
Personal attacks are the refuge of those who have no argument on the merits.

While mistreatment of LGBT people by religious based groups is an important topic, the question of whether they can and should change has already been answered. Sexual orientation is natural and attempts to change it can be harmful. Promotion of the idea it can and should be changed, results in stigmatization and dehumanization that is used around the world to justify imprisonment, torture, and death, used here to justify legal discrimination, and is used by ideology assailants to justify bullying, beating, and killing. That same social climate of dehumanization also results in self destruction, both fast and slow, making gay youth 4 to 8 times more likely to kill themselves than their straight peers, and the highest per capita victims of youth homelessness. History, literature, science, logic, and reason all show prejudice inescapably results in needless suffering and death.

American Medical Association: "opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation"
AMA Policy Regarding Sexual Orientation [AMA]
david traversa

Corrientes, Argentina

#23 Nov 27, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
<quoted text>
What would gays do without "tight asses"?
Personal experience..?
david traversa

Corrientes, Argentina

#24 Nov 27, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, and while you are at it, blame them for giving the world JESUS.
Jesus could have never sanctioned the excesses of his ancestors.. The example of his conduct and his sayings prove this..
Dillon

Dallas, TX

#25 Nov 27, 2012
Queers will do anything to get easy money without working for it.

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#26 Nov 27, 2012
American Counseling Association Ethics Committee: Clients may ask for a specific treatment from a counseling professional because they have heard about it from either their religious community or from popular culture. A counselor, however, only provides treatment that is scientifically indicated to be effective or has a theoretical framework supported by the profession. Otherwise, counselors inform clients that the treatment is "unproven" or "developing" and provide an explanation of the "potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures and take steps to protect clients from possible harm" (Standard C.6.e., "Scientific Bases for Treatment Modalities").

Considering all the above deliberation, the ACA Ethics Committee strongly suggests that ethical professional counselors do not refer clients to someone who engages in conversion therapy or, if they do, to proceed cautiously only when they are certain that the referral counselor fully informs clients of the unproven nature of the treatment and the potential risks and takes steps to minimize harm to clients (also see Standard A.2.b., "Types of Information Needed"). This information also must be included in written informed consent material by those counselors who offer conversion therapy despite ACA's position and the Ethics Committee's statement in opposition to the treatment. To do otherwise violates the spirit and specifics of the ACA Code of Ethics.
Exploring ethical issues related to conversion or reparative therapy [ACA]

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#27 Nov 27, 2012
American Academy of Pediatrics: The terms reparative therapy and sexual orientation conversion therapy refer to counseling and psychotherapy aimed at eliminating or suppressing homosexuality. The most important fact about these “therapies” is that they are based on a view of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major mental health professions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,6 published by the American Psychiatric Association, which defines the standards of the field, does not include homosexuality. All other major health professional organizations have supported the American Psychiatric Association in its declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973. Thus, the idea that homosexuality is a mental disorder or that the emergence of same-sex attraction and orientation
among some adolescents is in any way abnormal or mentally unhealthy has no support among any mainstream health and mental health professional organizations.

The idea that homosexuality is a mental disorder or that the emergence of same-sex attraction and orientation among some adolescents is in any way abnormal or mentally unhealthy has no support among any mainstream health and mental health professional organizations.

Despite the general consensus of major medical, health, and mental health professions that both heterosexuality and homosexuality are normal expressions of human sexuality, efforts to change sexual orientation through therapy have been adopted by some political and religious organizations and aggressively promoted to the public. However, such efforts have serious potential to harm young people because they present the view that the sexual orientation of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth is a mental illness or disorder, and they often frame the inability to change one’s sexual orientation as a personal and moral failure.

Because of the aggressive promotion of efforts to change sexual orientation through therapy, a number of medical, health, and mental health professional organizations have issued public statements about the dangers of this approach. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”

The American Academy of Pediatrics advises youth that counseling may be helpful for you if you feel confused about your sexual identity. Avoid any treatments that claim to be able to change a person’s sexual orientation, or treatment ideas that see homosexuality as a sickness.
Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth [APP]

Since: Mar 09

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#28 Nov 27, 2012
Suing them?

About f-ing time!!!

“Child of the Universe”

Since: Aug 09

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

#29 Nov 27, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
<quoted text>
What would gays do without "tight asses"?
I don't know - I'm not into your menu of slack c#$nts.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#30 Nov 27, 2012
This is really quite funny. Somebody actually thought standing naked with a group of men would help them change their sexual orientation? Or chasing oranges?
The judge in this case should dismiss it on grounds of adults acting with extreme gullibility and out right pathetic stupidity...too funny...
Jeremiah Johnson

Netherlands

#31 Nov 28, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
The Catholic Rite of Exorcism, per Section 13 of the Rituale Romanum, is the only guaranteed form of gay conversion therapy. Yes, you can pray away the gay.
Well stupid 99% of all Psychiatrists and Psychologists say that you are indeed full of shyte! Hmmmmm.....Who do we listen to? A bigoted human POS like you or the world wide excepted experts on the subject! But I have NO doubt they would have a field day with your psychotic sickness! Guess it's true,ignorance is bliss and you prove the theory! Seek professional help LOSER! NO,you cannot pray away the gay! Innate,innate,innate!!!

Now lets see what the experts say,makes you look and sound like the village idiot that you are!

Does conversion therapy work? Hell NO!!!!!

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200-02...
And.....
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexual-o...

Or.....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/gay.to.s...
Beauty Queen

Wimborne, UK

#32 Nov 28, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
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Internet troll ....

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#33 Nov 28, 2012
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe it was your Queer daddy that caused it.
"Queer daddy" is a bit of an oxymoron whereas you are just a moron.

Do you read what you write before clicking the "Post Comment" button?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#34 Nov 28, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
The Catholic Rite of Exorcism, per Section 13 of the Rituale Romanum, is the only guaranteed form of gay conversion therapy. Yes, you can pray away the gay.
The RCC does NOT view gay orientation as symptomatic of possession.

There are actual criteria that the RCC requires each suspected case to meet. Nothing about gay orientation or gay people in general meet those criteria.

To wit:

PART XIII. EXORCISM
CHAPTER I: GENERAL RULES CONCERNING EXORCISM

" ... 3. Especially, he should not believe too readily that a person is possessed by an evil spirit; but he ought to ascertain the signs by which a person possessed can be distinguished from one who is suffering from some illness, especially one of a psychological nature. Signs of possession may be the following: ability to speak with some facility in a strange tongue or to understand it when spoken by another; the faculty of divulging future and hidden events; display of powers which are beyond the subject's age and natural condition; and various other indications which, when taken together as a whole, build up the evidence...."

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#35 Nov 28, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
This is really quite funny. Somebody actually thought standing naked with a group of men would help them change their sexual orientation? Or chasing oranges?
The judge in this case should dismiss it on grounds of adults acting with extreme gullibility and out right pathetic stupidity...too funny...
The Book says that God works in mysterious ways and while what these men endured in their pursuit of heterosexuality in the name of God might seem too silly to be true, who are YOU to say that this won't work. After all, it's just the kind of therapy that made most of the leaders of JONAH the kind of men they are today.

The scary thing is that what went on here probably isn't some rogue exception, but the general rule for these religious groups f*cking with the homosexual soul in the name o' God.

Since: Jun 11

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#38 Nov 28, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice and mistranslations promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#39 Nov 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
Hick, as a non-Christian, you really don't get it.
David, pumpkin, we've been over this so many, many times before, you really should take notes. I'm well aware that your multiBible choice of religious beliefs and your pretty White boy, blue-eyed Jesus with the fabulous blond highlights hates the dickens out of us Gay folk. We've seen your regurgitated spam chunks before. Your problem with God ain't our problem sweetie. I hope this was enough attention to get your rocks off, because I'm done with you again.

Why don't you go book another ex-gay camping trip?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#40 Nov 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Hick, as a non-Christian, you really don't get it. The Bible repeatedly commands against all homosexual behavior, repeatedly in both Testaments, and in the plainest of terms:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Oh, DAVID MOORE of PEKIN, ILLINOIS, at your LIES again?

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to read your little quaint quotes, but since you cannot tell the truth about who you truly are, then I can't believe ANYTHING that you say. You see those police shows. If the cops catch a perp lying they won't believe another word he says. Take a lesson, LIAR.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#41 Nov 28, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>David, pumpkin, we've been over this so many, many times before, you really should take notes. I'm well aware that your multiBible choice of religious beliefs and your pretty White boy, blue-eyed Jesus with the fabulous blond highlights hates the dickens out of us Gay folk. We've seen your regurgitated spam chunks before. Your problem with God ain't our problem sweetie. I hope this was enough attention to get your rocks off, because I'm done with you again.
Why don't you go book another ex-gay camping trip?
On the History Channel a few years ago, they aired 'The Search for The Historical Jesus', my was that INTERESTING!

They did all kinds of research and all, including many actual religious scholars, agreed that Jesus did NOT look like the Euro-centric version we see in the pretty middle ages paintings. He was from the middle east. He would NOT have had long hair, for it was not popular then. He would look like a Palestinian guy, DUHH.

They even did a CSI type of reconstruct over a 2000 year old male skull from that area. Guess what, NO blue eyed blond with tiny thin nose. A good old JEWISH face, with most probably brown eyes. In other words, he would have looked like ME. BTW, my dad WAS a carpenter...maybe the haters should be NICE to me. I just MAY be the Second Coming!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#42 Nov 28, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>On the History Channel a few years ago, they aired 'The Search for The Historical Jesus', my was that INTERESTING!
They did all kinds of research and all, including many actual religious scholars, agreed that Jesus did NOT look like the Euro-centric version we see in the pretty middle ages paintings. He was from the middle east. He would NOT have had long hair, for it was not popular then. He would look like a Palestinian guy, DUHH.
They even did a CSI type of reconstruct over a 2000 year old male skull from that area. Guess what, NO blue eyed blond with tiny thin nose. A good old JEWISH face, with most probably brown eyes. In other words, he would have looked like ME. BTW, my dad WAS a carpenter...maybe the haters should be NICE to me. I just MAY be the Second Coming!
But a Jesus who looks more like "us" is an easier sell than some Palestinian hippie dude. No matter where you go, Jesus will always resemble the local population a heck of a lot more than he ever really did.

Since: Mar 09

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#43 Nov 28, 2012
Ever had a gander at anything about these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people

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