NOM “Disappointed” After Stinging Los...

NOM “Disappointed” After Stinging Loss, Blames ‘Liberal’ States

There are 42 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Nov 7, 2012, titled NOM “Disappointed” After Stinging Loss, Blames ‘Liberal’ States. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

Election night was not good for the National Organization for Marriage. Of the races they had fingers in, only their bid to unseat Stephen Saland actually occurred. In Maine, NOM battled hard to try and prevent same-sex marriage from being granted in that state through the ballot box. In Maryland and Washington, they tried to derail the laws already on the books, and in Minnesota, they tried to enshrine marriage inequality in the state constitution.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#22 Nov 7, 2012
Well, since civil marriages havenothing to do with religious marriages, these people really shouldn't concern themselves wit this issue at all.

Now, IF they are convinced that LGBT people being civilly wed somehow affects their "Christian marriages", then why are they NOT campaigning against the marriages of non-Christians such as Buddhist and Hindu people, whoare certainly not leading a "Christian lifestyle".

How do the civil marriages of non-Christians NOT affecting Christian marriages if they earnestly believe that LGBT marriage ARE affecting Christian marriages. Their lack of an explanatio of this means that it is poor hatred and bigotry on their part.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#23 Nov 7, 2012
Poor NOM......

Up next is the California, Illinois, Rhode Island, Delaware, Hawaii, Oregon, Minnesota, Nevada, Wisconsin, Ohio, etc, etc.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#24 Nov 7, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
Not only are we empowered by God, now we have both political power and financial backing......damn, that's news to me!!!
My favorite whine from Brian Brown:
Our opponents and some in the media will attempt to portray the election results as a changing point in how Americans view gay marriage, but that is not the case. Americans remain strongly in favor of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The election results reflect the political and funding advantages our opponents enjoyed in these very liberal states.
Can he whine any more pathetically?
He honestly thinks this?

The guy is frighteningly and unequivocally stupid.

He's a superstitious, medieval, gaping asshole who *patently refuses* to see reality. That much, you can now clearly tell.

He's *NEVER* going to concede. The man is pathetic, as you said -- indeed. He's not living in reality whatsoever. Not remotely.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#25 Nov 7, 2012
States which could THAT easily have *lost* did not. Not one. Not two. Not three. But four of them. On two different paradigms. One offered a slight advantage to the pro-gay: Needing 51% in Minnesota.

Four states. One night.

Maryland was *not* predicted to win. Maine was up in the air. The pro-gay are sounding like they knew, but I suspect they're like politicians or the news media who are now "calmly" explaining how Obama did it. We don't know these things.

What we do know is that the *ELECTORATE* is rapidly growing unconcerned about marriage equality. It'll take time, and people are screaming as I type this, but Brown is *not* living in reality.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#26 Nov 7, 2012
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
He's doing the only thing a person CAN do when they're on the wrong side--lie, distort, misrepresent, and the lie some more.
I'd feel bad for him except that he CHOSE to be a horrible person.
Here you go. To this moment of this day, yep: He chooses to be vomit-inducing filth with no moral compass. I feel nothing but contempt, and I'm glad his opponents -- the side of right -- won.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#27 Nov 7, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
He honestly thinks this?
The guy is frighteningly and unequivocally stupid.
He's a superstitious, medieval, gaping asshole who *patently refuses* to see reality. That much, you can now clearly tell.
He's *NEVER* going to concede. The man is pathetic, as you said -- indeed. He's not living in reality whatsoever. Not remotely.
The first part of my comment had to do with some Pastor saying that Hurricane Sandy was caused by Gays and Lesbians, but the last part was Brian Brown and his really pathetic attempt to not see that which was staring him squarely in the face!!!
AzAdam

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Nov 7, 2012
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
He's doing the only thing a person CAN do when they're on the wrong side--lie, distort, misrepresent, and the lie some more.
I'd feel bad for him except that he CHOSE to be a horrible person.
Ease up. The closet does terrible things to people's character

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#29 Nov 7, 2012
hi hi wrote:
States which could THAT easily have *lost* did not. Not one. Not two. Not three. But four of them. On two different paradigms. One offered a slight advantage to the pro-gay: Needing 51% in Minnesota.
Four states. One night.
Maryland was *not* predicted to win. Maine was up in the air. The pro-gay are sounding like they knew, but I suspect they're like politicians or the news media who are now "calmly" explaining how Obama did it. We don't know these things.
What we do know is that the *ELECTORATE* is rapidly growing unconcerned about marriage equality. It'll take time, and people are screaming as I type this, but Brown is *not* living in reality.
I readily admit I thought we'd lose in Maryland & Minnesota.

I believe my pre-election prediction was a 52-48 win in Maine & Washington, with a loss in Maryland & Minnesota by a similar margin.

I am SO HAPPY to admit I was wrong on two accounts!!

I really don't think anyone was saying we'd win all four; it's just that everyone had their own favorite they thought would be "the one". Turns out we were ALL right.
SirAndrew

Honolulu, HI

#30 Nov 7, 2012
Imprtnrd wrote:
All that money NOM wasted, oh my! Just 'THINK' what kind of good cause they COULD HAVE used it on! WOW. Will they EVER learn? Nope.
Actually, it WAS used for good. Every time they opened their mouths or aired another lying commercial, they convinced another group of viewers to join our side. I'd say their money was well spent. I may even send them a tasteful thank you card.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#31 Nov 7, 2012
SirAndrew wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it WAS used for good. Every time they opened their mouths or aired another lying commercial, they convinced another group of viewers to join our side. I'd say their money was well spent. I may even send them a tasteful thank you card.
Good point.

I'll never forget the state Senator in Maryland and House member in Washington state who said they changed their vote to FAVOR marriage equality after hearing the anti-gay vitriol from the likes of Maggie Gallagher & Joseph Backholm.

Same thing happened when Elaine Donnelly & Tony Perkins testified before Congress opposing the repeal of DADT.

Let them spend their money trying to stop marriage bills in Rhode Island & Illinois & Hawaii & Delaware in the coming year. Hopefully they'll have a chance to spend millions in Oregon & Minnesota & Ohio & Nevada too.
Uve

Indio, CA

#32 Nov 7, 2012
I hope NOM is more than disappointed, I hope it cost them a bundle.
Fliint

Flint, MI

#33 Nov 8, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Since these people obviously aren't very intelligent, let's vote to prevent DUMB people from voting.
And to prevent dumb people from getting married...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#34 Nov 8, 2012
SirAndrew wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it WAS used for good. Every time they opened their mouths or aired another lying commercial, they convinced another group of viewers to join our side. I'd say their money was well spent. I may even send them a tasteful thank you card.
Well, let's see how it works on Hawaii next year, eh?
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Nov 8, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I readily admit I thought we'd lose in Maryland & Minnesota.
I believe my pre-election prediction was a 52-48 win in Maine & Washington, with a loss in Maryland & Minnesota by a similar margin.
I am SO HAPPY to admit I was wrong on two accounts!!
I really don't think anyone was saying we'd win all four; it's just that everyone had their own favorite they thought would be "the one". Turns out we were ALL right.
(I believe? that) You've seen me admit this too; I was stunningly wrong, but in a sense, in my own defense -- and you take it however you want -- I wasn't predicting losses so much as heavily suspicious of the possibility of victory. Perhaps it amounts to the same thing.

Four wins is stunning. I think it *was* a bit of luck and I think it *does* signal that minds are changing. People are really starting to get it: No gay person should ever have had to explain that they are simply human, and obtuseness is fading.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#36 Nov 8, 2012
Interesting point I've already seen made by a Washington quasi-pundit; I want you people to have a heads up at once:

In some quarters, the theory is now going that *because* the states are so readily allowing gay marriage at this point, it will become more cemented as a *state's rights* issue, without ANY supreme court intervention.

I presume you don't want this. You don't want to have to travel around the U.S. and be married, then not married, then married, etc. etc. etc.

I can't even judge whether the states' rights theory is true, but I think you may yet want some dogged attorneys in the next few years or so. It needs to become a national thing, without exception. But I imagine some feel that you can now rest easy for a little tiny while; you just got THREE more states, and everyone is entitled to breathe and celebrate victory.
Uve

Indio, CA

#37 Nov 8, 2012
hi hi wrote:
Interesting point I've already seen made by a Washington quasi-pundit; I want you people to have a heads up at once:
In some quarters, the theory is now going that *because* the states are so readily allowing gay marriage at this point, it will become more cemented as a *state's rights* issue, without ANY supreme court intervention.
I presume you don't want this. You don't want to have to travel around the U.S. and be married, then not married, then married, etc. etc. etc.
I can't even judge whether the states' rights theory is true, but I think you may yet want some dogged attorneys in the next few years or so. It needs to become a national thing, without exception. But I imagine some feel that you can now rest easy for a little tiny while; you just got THREE more states, and everyone is entitled to breathe and celebrate victory.
Hey Hi Hi, Yes, I agree. Until my marriage is recognized on a federal level I'm still viewed as a second class citizen.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#38 Nov 8, 2012
Uve wrote:
I hope NOM is more than disappointed, I hope it cost them a bundle.
Hell, they have to blame 'SOMETHING' on their failure.....'yawn'. LOL

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#39 Nov 8, 2012
hi hi wrote:
Interesting point I've already seen made by a Washington quasi-pundit; I want you people to have a heads up at once:
In some quarters, the theory is now going that *because* the states are so readily allowing gay marriage at this point, it will become more cemented as a *state's rights* issue, without ANY supreme court intervention.
I presume you don't want this. You don't want to have to travel around the U.S. and be married, then not married, then married, etc. etc. etc.
I can't even judge whether the states' rights theory is true, but I think you may yet want some dogged attorneys in the next few years or so. It needs to become a national thing, without exception. But I imagine some feel that you can now rest easy for a little tiny while; you just got THREE more states, and everyone is entitled to breathe and celebrate victory.
Actually I think getting 3 more states (with another half dozen to come in '13,'14) will only INCREASE the push for federal court action; especially once DOMA is overturned by the SCOTUS.

This is just the START of the lawsuits.

“”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#40 Nov 8, 2012
Uve wrote:
I hope NOM is more than disappointed, I hope it cost them a bundle.
I do not know what their cost was but in Florida alone ,they mailed out ads against pro equality politicians the size of magazines.

One tv ad after another and yet they could not defeat a single Dem and actually saw one of their tea party darlings, Allen West defeated.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#41 Nov 9, 2012
Uve wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Hi Hi, Yes, I agree. Until my marriage is recognized on a federal level I'm still viewed as a second class citizen.
I agree -- and the more states are supporting marriage equality, the *more* you can make the case that you are viewed as a second-class citizen.

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