Group opposed to gay marriage plans U...

Group opposed to gay marriage plans Utah gathering

There are 30 comments on the The Fresno Bee story from Jul 1, 2014, titled Group opposed to gay marriage plans Utah gathering. In it, The Fresno Bee reports that:

The Rockford, Illinois-based World Congress of Families has about 40 partner organizations, including the Focus on the Family and Concerned Women for America.

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Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#23 Jul 2, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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specifically limited the case to this one issue and said it could not be used as precedence for any other case
That is expressly not the role of the high court. By definition each decision is a precedent.

The only other case the Supreme Court tried to say such a thing was on Bush v. Gore.

And despite the claimed narrowness of the ruling in Hobby Lobby there's still plenty of room for other "closely held" corporations to make claims around "sincerely" held religious beliefs.

You think some buybull belt, lower court is not going to make use of this decision? You think some "alien" religion's member (islam, judaism, paganism) will not be filing lawsuits pursuant to this decision?

All the majority said is, "We think this is a nation in which christianity, or a claim to be christian, is more important than any other religion. They'd never admit, but that's what the majority decided.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#24 Jul 3, 2014
Marcavage s Emission wrote:
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That is expressly not the role of the high court. By definition each decision is a precedent.
The only other case the Supreme Court tried to say such a thing was on Bush v. Gore.
And despite the claimed narrowness of the ruling in Hobby Lobby there's still plenty of room for other "closely held" corporations to make claims around "sincerely" held religious beliefs.
You think some buybull belt, lower court is not going to make use of this decision? You think some "alien" religion's member (islam, judaism, paganism) will not be filing lawsuits pursuant to this decision?
All the majority said is, "We think this is a nation in which christianity, or a claim to be christian, is more important than any other religion. They'd never admit, but that's what the majority decided.
Agreed! That's why I wrote what I wrote right after what you quoted above, "Good luck with that SCOTUS." They're trying to preserve a shred of their own dignity while handing down a decision that they know damned well is 110% wrong.

They even wrote that if the government wants those women to have access to birth control, the government can pay for it themselves. REALLY??? So the Green family that owns a huge corporation get THEIR fake religious beliefs honored, but the taxpayers, many of whom share the same fake anti-birth-control beliefs that the Green family does, do not???

I guess we're not only back to "corporations are people, my friend", but now corporations are people with more rights than actual people.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#25 Jul 3, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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Thanks!
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This is what mystifies me--the utter lack of ANY effort toward cogent thinking among those that oppose us. Do they REALLY believe that a child's parents are his or her ONLY role model??? OMG!!!! Talk about NAIVE!!!
I suspect their actual fantasy is that children only learn anything from their parents, and what the parents don't teach them, they won't know. It speaks directly to their fears of sex ed and schools acknowledging that gay people exist. Again SO naive!!
Even if a child has *fantastic* parents that do absolutely everything right and teach the child all about the endless wonders of the world, a child STILL needs more than just them as role models! And, frankly, only truly irresponsible and selfish parents don't *want* that for their child(ren). To desire for your own child to be so sheltered and ignorant of the ways of the world is child abuse. They'll get chewed up and spit out by the real world and it'll be all the parents' fault.
Sorry to edit your post but I just had to add this here:

“I was born of heterosexual parents. I was taught by heterosexual teachers in a fiercely heterosexual society. Television ads and newspaper ads [were] fiercely heterosexual. A society that puts down homosexuality. And why am I a homosexual if I’m affected by role models? I should have been a heterosexual. And no offense meant, but if teachers are going to affect you as role models, there’d be a lot of nuns running around the streets today.”
---Harvey Milk
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/27/1309...

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#26 Jul 3, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Are all biological parents fit to raised children? I agree. It is an appeal to tradition fallacy.
Was just reading an article about the World Congress of Families to be held next year in Salt Lake City. Curiosity took me to their home page and missions Statement.

After 4 sections on "natural family" and EMPHASIZING the "threat" gays and lesbians pose, they add this:

"The intrinsic worth, right to life and sanctity of life of every human person exists throughout the continuum of life, from fertilization until natural death.

Every human life is a gift to the person, the family and society. Loving families cherish and serve all their members, including the weak, aged and handicapped."

Yet somehow they find a way to ignore this when it comes to children who are gay or lesbian.
They then go on about the decline of the human population

"Human society depends on the renewal of the human population; the true population problem is depopulation, not overpopulation. Many nations are experiencing below-replacement fertility, arising from widespread abortion, birth control, lack of interest in marriage and declining family sizes. People are living longer, increasing the size of elderly populations, while there are proportionally decreasing numbers of taxpayers to support their elders' retirement incomes and health care."

Did anyone notice that war, famine, disease, infant mortality and poverty were excluded from the list of reasons why some areas have declining populations?

Later I read about the Scouts being banned from picking up trash.
STARNES: Town Bars Scouts From Picking Up Trash over Gay Leader Ban
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...

"...The Boy Scouts bowed out after city council members criticized the group’s ban on gay adult leaders. The council initially tabled a request for the scouts to participate. Instead, they wanted the children and their leaders to attend another council meeting where they could debate the scout’s ban on gay adult leaders.

Councilman Thierry Guerlain told The Times Argus he did not want a group that openly discriminates against gays selling water at the town’s parade – even if it meant banning local Boy Scouts from selling bottled water.

So instead of getting bullied by the town council – the scouts decided to withdraw from the parade."

yet the article ends with:
"This is what tolerance and diversity looks like, folks. If you oppose the LGBT agenda, you’re not even worthy enough to pick up trash alongside a highway."

Gotta love good old fashioned American Hypocrisy. I wonder if Fox will be able to avoid a libel suit for as long as NOM has been allowed to refuse to comply with Campaign disclosure laws.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#27 Jul 3, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry to edit your post but I just had to add this here:
“I was born of heterosexual parents. I was taught by heterosexual teachers in a fiercely heterosexual society. Television ads and newspaper ads [were] fiercely heterosexual. A society that puts down homosexuality. And why am I a homosexual if I’m affected by role models? I should have been a heterosexual. And no offense meant, but if teachers are going to affect you as role models, there’d be a lot of nuns running around the streets today.”
---Harvey Milk
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/27/1309...
Every time I read a quote by Harvey Milk, I'm even more saddened that he was taken away from us so soon. He was an amazing and brave person. I'd love to know what his life would have been had he not been killed.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#28 Jul 3, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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Every time I read a quote by Harvey Milk, I'm even more saddened that he was taken away from us so soon. He was an amazing and brave person. I'd love to know what his life would have been had he not been killed.
me too. In fact I'm one of those young voices that called him not long after he was elected.

When "The Times of Harvey Milk" came out and I saw the "Hope Speech" I cried because it was almost exactly what we had discussed.

I sometimes use an avatar that says, "They can't kill your dreams so they try to assassinate your character."
Reminds me so much of what happened and still is happening.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#29 Jul 3, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Was just reading an article about the World Congress of Families to be held next year in Salt Lake City. Curiosity took me to their home page and missions Statement.
After 4 sections on "natural family" and EMPHASIZING the "threat" gays and lesbians pose, they add this:
"The intrinsic worth, right to life and sanctity of life of every human person exists throughout the continuum of life, from fertilization until natural death.
Every human life is a gift to the person, the family and society. Loving families cherish and serve all their members, including the weak, aged and handicapped."
Yet somehow they find a way to ignore this when it comes to children who are gay or lesbian.
They then go on about the decline of the human population
"Human society depends on the renewal of the human population; the true population problem is depopulation, not overpopulation. Many nations are experiencing below-replacement fertility, arising from widespread abortion, birth control, lack of interest in marriage and declining family sizes. People are living longer, increasing the size of elderly populations, while there are proportionally decreasing numbers of taxpayers to support their elders' retirement incomes and health care."
Did anyone notice that war, famine, disease, infant mortality and poverty were excluded from the list of reasons why some areas have declining populations?
Later I read about the Scouts being banned from picking up trash.
STARNES: Town Bars Scouts From Picking Up Trash over Gay Leader Ban
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...
"...The Boy Scouts bowed out after city council members criticized the group’s ban on gay adult leaders. The council initially tabled a request for the scouts to participate. Instead, they wanted the children and their leaders to attend another council meeting where they could debate the scout’s ban on gay adult leaders.
Councilman Thierry Guerlain told The Times Argus he did not want a group that openly discriminates against gays selling water at the town’s parade – even if it meant banning local Boy Scouts from selling bottled water.
So instead of getting bullied by the town council – the scouts decided to withdraw from the parade."
yet the article ends with:
"This is what tolerance and diversity looks like, folks. If you oppose the LGBT agenda, you’re not even worthy enough to pick up trash alongside a highway."
Gotta love good old fashioned American Hypocrisy. I wonder if Fox will be able to avoid a libel suit for as long as NOM has been allowed to refuse to comply with Campaign disclosure laws.
Indeed. Around 35,000 children starve to death every day. They turn their backs on those people.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#30 Jul 3, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Indeed. Around 35,000 children starve to death every day. They turn their backs on those people.
all for the sake of self righteousness.

It has always amazed me that Jesus challenged the priesthood so much but woo to anyone else who tries to follow His footsteps.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#31 Jul 3, 2014
sorry should be "woe" not "woo"

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#32 Jul 3, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>all for the sake of self righteousness.
It has always amazed me that Jesus challenged the priesthood so much but woo to anyone else who tries to follow His footsteps.
The fact is these well-intentioned people practice a form of idolatry.

The gospels teach of the Holy Spirit within each individual. The act of abusing gays and lesbians, using the Bible as justification, elevates the Bible above God. As such, it is an idolatrous practice.

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