C of E should be more welcoming, sexuality report urges

Nov 30, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ekklesia Daily News

Clergy should be free to hold services for same-sex couples, a Church of England working party has urged.

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Considering that science has pretty much confirmed what homosexual have been saying for years about people being born the way they are sexually, homophobic Christians are going to have to face the fact that either the bible is wrong or their interpretation of it is wrong.

To continue to cling to this horrible error that has caused so much suffering is to reject reality which of course is to embrace madness.

Most intelligent people with human warmth and decency are beginning to figure it out and are still able to retain their faith in GOD. In fact most people find their faith grows even stronger. Any form of judgment reduces your capacity to LOVE.

Those religions that emphasize hate and judgment are just going to take a bit longer to figure it all out.

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Exposing The Antichrist wrote:
Considering that science has pretty much confirmed what homosexual have been saying for years about people being born the way they are sexually,
Science hasn't confirmed any such thing. There are homosexuals who are born that way, and there are homosexuals who aren't born that way. In any case, it's irrelevant to the moral argument Christians are posing. Some psychopaths are born without the capacity for empathy, but that does not make it OK for them to engage in sociopathic behavior.

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achyfi wrote:
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Science hasn't confirmed any such thing. There are homosexuals who are born that way, and there are homosexuals who aren't born that way. In any case, it's irrelevant to the moral argument Christians are posing. Some psychopaths are born without the capacity for empathy, but that does not make it OK for them to engage in sociopathic behavior.
That's about the most ridiculous analogy I have ever heard.

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Science hasn't confirmed any such thing. There are homosexuals who are born that way, and there are homosexuals who aren't born that way. In any case, it's irrelevant to the moral argument Christians are posing. Some psychopaths are born without the capacity for empathy, but that does not make it OK for them to engage in sociopathic behavior.
Comparing being born with the innate gift to be only naturally attracted to someone of your own sex as a partner with being born without the capacity to feel empathy. And "Christians" wonder why they are losing the moral argument. They never had one other than their prayer that God hates us as much as you chose to believe He does. You're out here advocating doing unto others things you'd scream like hell if they were being done unto you. You lost the Christlike aura for your allegedly good works a long time ago. You just kicked more dirt on it with this.

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Everyone is welcome to visit church, we LOVE lost sinners! I'm obviously talking about so-called "Christian" church MEMBERS living like heathens. The Word of God is clear to throw them out of church. Who in the world would want their church disgraced like that?
If a person TRULY repents of their MAJOR sin infested lifestyle and comes back to church, then we welcome them back into fellowship.
Well, I am just gonna go ahead and repeat myself.
Being IN church is the best place for sinners to BE.

Even in the Catholic Church, no one is 'thrown out', dear.

Yes, there is Excommunication, but this is not what many think it is:
Excommunication - Exclusion from the communion, the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society
Meaning that one in sin and not having confessed this sin, etc., cannot partake of Holy Communion.
It does NOT mean that person cannot come to church!

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Comparing being born with the innate gift to be only naturally attracted to someone of your own sex as a partner with being born without the capacity to feel empathy. And "Christians" wonder why they are losing the moral argument. They never had one other than their prayer that God hates us as much as you chose to believe He does. You're out here advocating doing unto others things you'd scream like hell if they were being done unto you. You lost the Christlike aura for your allegedly good works a long time ago. You just kicked more dirt on it with this.
Well said.

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Exposing The Antichrist wrote:
Considering that science has pretty much confirmed what homosexual have been saying for years about people being born the way they are sexually, homophobic Christians are going to have to face the fact that either the bible is wrong or their interpretation of it is wrong.
To continue to cling to this horrible error that has caused so much suffering is to reject reality which of course is to embrace madness.
Most intelligent people with human warmth and decency are beginning to figure it out and are still able to retain their faith in GOD. In fact most people find their faith grows even stronger. Any form of judgment reduces your capacity to LOVE.
Those religions that emphasize hate and judgment are just going to take a bit longer to figure it all out.
I totally believe that God created us the way He meant for us to be and this includes our sexual orientation, which really is just a part of who we are.

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This is going to be a powerful thread. It's going to convict a lot of the fake Christians playing church, and also convict the backslidden Christians to get back on the right track again.
Do your work Holy Spirit, convict them deep into their very being......in Jesus Holy Name. I'm only the messenger sharing Your Holy Word.
Hebrews 4:12- For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Stop blaming your poor take on scripture on God/Bible/church.
Go ahead and face it, hon. You ain't no messenger!:)
You are giving your own personal opinions much of the time and attempting to use scripture to support them.

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It's us Fundamental Bible-Believing Christians who are out getting the gospel to the lost world, seeing souls get saved, people become productive Christians, and getting people involved into church. All the while the modern "feel good" Laodicean so-called Christians are sitting around doing NOTHING for the Lord while saying "boo hoo, judge not, don't call sin a sin".
The Word of God will make those in disobedience to it upset, this is Biblical fulfillment of the scriptures.
Actually, it is some of the Fundamental Bible-Believing Christians who think that God can't get His Voice to folks anymore without them.
Those people out in that 'lost world'.........God was there first, hon.
Those people of non-Christian faiths or of no faith have already heard God's Voice.
They have had the choice to either follow it or ignore it.

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<quoted text>Stop blaming your poor take on scripture on God/Bible/church.
Go ahead and face it, hon. You ain't no messenger!:)
You are giving your own personal opinions much of the time and attempting to use scripture to support them.
Prove me wrong from the Word of God, not some Roman Catholic or other New Age copy/paste garbage. I quoted an entire chapter (1 Corinthians 5) in my first post that proved the point I was making is true. I could also quote many other verses too.

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Hello RR. I hope this post finds you doing well.

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<quoted text>Well, I am just gonna go ahead and repeat myself.
Being IN church is the best place for sinners to BE.
Even in the Catholic Church, no one is 'thrown out', dear.
Yes, there is Excommunication, but this is not what many think it is:
Excommunication - Exclusion from the communion, the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society
Meaning that one in sin and not having confessed this sin, etc., cannot partake of Holy Communion.
It does NOT mean that person cannot come to church!
Yes Nettie, the church building is an excellent place for unsaved people to visit. Of course unbelievers are going to be shacked up in sin, going to bars, having affairs, swapping stds with each other, getting drunked and/or drugged up, fornicating, living sin infested lifestyles, etc etc.........they aren't born again children of the living God, they aren't filled with the Holy Spirit. These people need deliverance from Satan's deadly clutches, they need salvation, which is ONLY found through the shed BLOOD of Christ Jesus. We need to get these people saved!

My post was about people claiming to be Christian, becoming a church member, and yet still living disgusting sin infested lifestyles like the heathens do. When a person is TRULY saved, they are a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST. Their old life is in the past and behold ALL things are NEW!

Nettie, the TRUE believers are the church. The church building is just a neutral place where we meet to worship. The scriptures are absolutely clear not to have any fellowship with unbelievers and those claiming to be a Christian who are living major sin infested lifestyles. Sure we are to share the gospel with them, but that's it. We don't buddy around with unbelievers, since TRUE Christians have nothing in common with unsaved people. We certainty don't allow unsaved heathens to be a church MEMBER!

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Science hasn't confirmed any such thing. There are homosexuals who are born that way, and there are homosexuals who aren't born that way. In any case, it's irrelevant to the moral argument Christians are posing. Some psychopaths are born without the capacity for empathy, but that does not make it OK for them to engage in sociopathic behavior.
I don't believe homosexuals are born that way. They choose to live in disobedience to God's Word. When they get TRULY saved (born again), they no longer choose that sinful lifestyle choice.

Just saying a sinner's prayer isn't REAL salvation. A person has to be drawn in by God, convicted by the Holy Spirit, and completely surrender their lives to Jesus in faith of His perfect sinless atoning sacrifice. Salvation is a 100% free gift that can NOT be earned.

I generally use Romans' Road or various parts of the gospel of John to share the gospel with unbelievers in my real life soul winning ministries. Yet if God isn't drawing that person to Him and the Holy Spirit isn't convicting that person that they are a lost sinner separated from their Maker, then it doesn't matter that they repeated a sinner's prayer and "accepted" Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

Satan and his minions also believe that Jesus left the glory of Heaven, was born of a virgin, lived a perfect sinless life, died on the cross to make atonement for our sin, and rose from the dead. Many unsaved people claiming to be Christians also believe this too, but they aren't TRULY born again. Most people claiming to be a Christian are NOT really saved.

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Hello RR. I hope this post finds you doing well.
Hi GS, I'm doing okay. I hope you are enjoying the Holidays.

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<quoted text>Actually, it is some of the Fundamental Bible-Believing Christians who think that God can't get His Voice to folks anymore without them.
Those people out in that 'lost world'.........God was there first, hon.
Those people of non-Christian faiths or of no faith have already heard God's Voice.
They have had the choice to either follow it or ignore it.
It's our duty to "preach the gospel to every creature". Christians are supposed to be "fishers of men". EVERY single Christian should be winning souls to Christ, or at least trying to win souls to Christ. And of course I'm talking about REAL life ministry, not just hiding behind a computer screen sharing the gospel online.

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They're not God-ordained preachers, that's for sure. No REAL pastor would ever marry a same sex couple.
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"Real Preachers" would rather have folks just shack up, and want children to have unmarried parents?

Doesn't sound very Christian to me.

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Yes Nettie, the church building is an excellent place for unsaved people to visit. Of course unbelievers are going to be shacked up in sin, going to bars, having affairs, swapping stds with each other, getting drunked and/or drugged up, fornicating, living sin infested lifestyles, etc etc......
Gay Christian folks are no more likely to be doing all those things than anyone else.

Do you have some sort of questionnaire that everyone in your church must take to join, and how do you authenticate all the answers before allowing anyone inside?

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I don't believe homosexuals are born that way. They choose to live in disobedience to God's Word...
People believe all sorts of absurd things, but you should have something to back up this wild belief.

Can you explain, in factual detail, how an 11-14 year old child going through puberty - who may never have even MET a gay person - chooses to extinguish all attraction to the opposite gender and completely replaces it with the attraction to the same gender.

That seems quite impossible to the rest of us.

I have a 14 year old son, and he can't remember to take out the trash and brush his hair half the time. The idea that he has such control over his heart, body, soul and mind is simply ridiculous.

So, let's see your proof this really happens.

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........ Many unsaved people claiming to be Christians also believe this too, but they aren't TRULY born again. Most people claiming to be a Christian are NOT really saved.
Arrogance in a Christian is an ugly thing. Now you are judging the souls of your Brothers and Sisters in Christ, in Christ's place.

You believe that YOU are a chosen one, and qualified to be that judge.

Sad stuff.

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