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C of E should be more welcoming, sexuality report urges

There are 1269 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from Nov 30, 2013, titled C of E should be more welcoming, sexuality report urges. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

Clergy should be free to hold services for same-sex couples, a Church of England working party has urged.

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“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

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#1 Nov 30, 2013
They're not God-ordained preachers, that's for sure. No REAL pastor would ever marry a same sex couple.

And no REAL Christian church would ever allow people living sin infested lifestyles to ever be a member. If you're shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc....then you are THROWN out of church and shunned. These are MAJOR sins and the Word of God teaches Christians to have NO association whatsoever with those kind of people.

Yet those people want to call themselves "Christian", God forbid! What kind of sick demented person names Christ and then lives like a heathen? Purge out that disgusting leaven before it leavens the whole church!
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Ephesians 5:10-14
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
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1 Corinthians 5:1-13
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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1 Timothy 5:20- Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#2 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
They're not God-ordained preachers, that's for sure. No REAL pastor would ever marry a same sex couple.
And no REAL Christian church would ever allow people living sin infested lifestyles to ever be a member. If you're shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc....then you are THROWN out of church and shunned. These are MAJOR sins and the Word of God teaches Christians to have NO association whatsoever with those kind of people.
Yet those people want to call themselves "Christian", God forbid! What kind of sick demented person names Christ and then lives like a heathen? Purge out that disgusting leaven before it leavens the whole church!
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Ephesians 5:10-14
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
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1 Corinthians 5:1-13
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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1 Timothy 5:20- Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
Oh, say you are saying that churches should just have as members folks who are in full grace?
No one is IN full grace!
Church is the best place in this world for those who are shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc., don't you think?

Jesus did not come for believers. He already knew who followed Him. It was not these people that Jesus came for.

Since: Oct 09

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#3 Nov 30, 2013
Ohooo..........

Good morning..........

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#4 Nov 30, 2013
Do you know for 100% certainty that you will go to Heaven when you die? If you're not 100% sure, then check out these links.

http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php

"How to be Saved and Know It"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#5 Nov 30, 2013
The modern Laodicean cesspool of a church needs this Old Fashioned BIBLICAL preaching. It won't fill pews and bring in lots of money, but God's Word doesn't change with the perverted times. Christians are to stand FIRM on God's Holy Word! F.I.R.M!

Don't take a verse out of context and cry boo hoo "judge not, lest ye be judged". We are supposed to judge, but do so righteously. The Word of God is crystal clear on MAJOR sins versus minor sins.

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#6 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
They're not God-ordained preachers, that's for sure. No REAL pastor would ever marry a same sex couple.
And no REAL Christian church would ever allow people living sin infested lifestyles to ever be a member. If you're shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc....then you are THROWN out of church and shunned. These are MAJOR sins and the Word of God teaches Christians to have NO association whatsoever with those kind of people.
You couldn't be more wrong:

Matthew 9:10-13: And as he sat at dinner in the house, many tax collectors and sinners came and were sitting with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" But when he heard this, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means:'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have come to call not the righteous, but sinners."

As Jesus makes clear, you are no Christian, but a hypocrite. You would drive away from the Church the very people that the Church needs to help the most. You can quote Scripture all you like, but it's obvious that you have no understanding of it.

I suggest you repair to your religious leader and repent of your arrogance and self-righteousness before the Lord calls you to judgment.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#7 Nov 30, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, say you are saying that churches should just have as members folks who are in full grace?
No one is IN full grace!
Church is the best place in this world for those who are shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc., don't you think?
Jesus did not come for believers. He already knew who followed Him. It was not these people that Jesus came for.
Everyone is welcome to visit church, we LOVE lost sinners! I'm obviously talking about so-called "Christian" church MEMBERS living like heathens. The Word of God is clear to throw them out of church. Who in the world would want their church disgraced like that?

If a person TRULY repents of their MAJOR sin infested lifestyle and comes back to church, then we welcome them back into fellowship.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#8 Nov 30, 2013
achyfi wrote:
<quoted text>
You couldn't be more wrong:
Matthew 9:10-13: And as he sat at dinner in the house, many tax collectors and sinners came and were sitting with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" But when he heard this, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Go and learn what this means:'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have come to call not the righteous, but sinners."
As Jesus makes clear, you are no Christian, but a hypocrite. You would drive away from the Church the very people that the Church needs to help the most. You can quote Scripture all you like, but it's obvious that you have no understanding of it.
I suggest you repair to your religious leader and repent of your arrogance and self-righteousness before the Lord calls you to judgment.
You don't know the difference between a church visitor and a church member either? HUGE difference! Church members are SUPPOSED to be made up of saved and baptized Christians. People who are living SEPARATE from the heathen world! Not people living just like or even worse than heathens. Read the Word of God for yourself and quit taking verses out of context!

BTW, you're not Jesus. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Your priest is NOT Jesus either. Neither is your pope or pastor or whoever leads your New Age non-Christian beliefs.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#9 Nov 30, 2013
This is going to be a powerful thread. It's going to convict a lot of the fake Christians playing church, and also convict the backslidden Christians to get back on the right track again.

Do your work Holy Spirit, convict them deep into their very being......in Jesus Holy Name. I'm only the messenger sharing Your Holy Word.

Hebrews 4:12- For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#10 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know the difference between a church visitor and a church member either? HUGE difference! Church members are SUPPOSED to be made up of saved and baptized Christians. People who are living SEPARATE from the heathen world! Not people living just like or even worse than heathens. Read the Word of God for yourself and quit taking verses out of context!
BTW, you're not Jesus. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Your priest is NOT Jesus either. Neither is your pope or pastor or whoever leads your New Age non-Christian beliefs.
Once again, you couldn't be more wronf. Jesus did not tell his followers to separate themselves from "the heathen world". ALL men are sinners, most specifically including you, Mr. Self-Righteous. So this distinction you're trying to make between "visitors" who can be sinners and "members" who cannot has absolutely no foundation in the Gospel.

You are quite right that no religious leader is Jesus, which is EXACTLY why no religious leader has the authority to do what you claim and kick people out of the Church of God.

Of course Christians are supposed to behave according to the Word of God. But if they fail to do so, that is between them and God. Jesus did not give you the keys to Heaven. He did not give you the power to bind and to loose, and you are certainly not qualified to judge who gets to be in the Kingdom of God and who doesn't.

Get it now, genius? If not, go read the Bible some more and stop pontificating without a license. I've forgotten more about your faith than you will ever understand.

“God is Love”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#11 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
They're not God-ordained preachers, that's for sure. No REAL pastor would ever marry a same sex couple.
And no REAL Christian church would ever allow people living sin infested lifestyles to ever be a member. If you're shacked up in sin, fornicating, having affairs, going to bars, getting drunk and/or drugged up, etc etc....then you are THROWN out of church and shunned. These are MAJOR sins and the Word of God teaches Christians to have NO association whatsoever with those kind of people.
Yet those people want to call themselves "Christian", God forbid! What kind of sick demented person names Christ and then lives like a heathen? Purge out that disgusting leaven before it leavens the whole church!
==========
Ephesians 5:10-14
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
----------
1 Corinthians 5:1-13
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
----------
1 Timothy 5:20- Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
Amen! Keep doing the Lord's work!

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#12 Nov 30, 2013
achyfi wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you couldn't be more wronf. Jesus did not tell his followers to separate themselves from "the heathen world". ALL men are sinners, most specifically including you, Mr. Self-Righteous. So this distinction you're trying to make between "visitors" who can be sinners and "members" who cannot has absolutely no foundation in the Gospel.
You are quite right that no religious leader is Jesus, which is EXACTLY why no religious leader has the authority to do what you claim and kick people out of the Church of God.
Of course Christians are supposed to behave according to the Word of God. But if they fail to do so, that is between them and God. Jesus did not give you the keys to Heaven. He did not give you the power to bind and to loose, and you are certainly not qualified to judge who gets to be in the Kingdom of God and who doesn't.
Get it now, genius? If not, go read the Bible some more and stop pontificating without a license. I've forgotten more about your faith than you will ever understand.
It's us Fundamental Bible-Believing Christians who are out getting the gospel to the lost world, seeing souls get saved, people become productive Christians, and getting people involved into church. All the while the modern "feel good" Laodicean so-called Christians are sitting around doing NOTHING for the Lord while saying "boo hoo, judge not, don't call sin a sin".

The Word of God will make those in disobedience to it upset, this is Biblical fulfillment of the scriptures.

Sceptical_Mal

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#13 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
Do you know for 100% certainty that you will go to Heaven when you die? If you're not 100% sure, then check out these links.
http://www.swordofthelord.com/salvation.php
"How to be Saved and Know It"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...
I am 100% sure that I am not going.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#14 Nov 30, 2013
This thread is cross posting on other forum areas. I came to it via the Topix Christian forum. But there's nothing Christian about the Topix Christian forum so it doesn't matter anyway.
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Romans' Road to salvation:
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Romans 3:10- As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
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Romans 3:23- For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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Romans 6:23- For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Romans 5:8- But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Romans 10:13- For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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The result of REAL salvation:
Romans 5:1- Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

“God is Love”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#15 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
This thread is cross posting on other forum areas. I came to it via the Topix Christian forum. But there's nothing Christian about the Topix Christian forum so it doesn't matter anyway.
I agree with you. I would love to post more, but there isn't much for me to reply to here. I'm glad to see people like you on here though. God Bless!
One World One Family

United States

#16 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
This thread is cross posting on other forum areas. I came to it via the Topix Christian forum. But there's nothing Christian about the Topix Christian forum so it doesn't matter anyway.
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Romans' Road to salvation:
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Romans 3:10- As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
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Romans 3:23- For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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Romans 6:23- For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Romans 5:8- But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Romans 10:13- For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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The result of REAL salvation:
Romans 5:1- Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
I think you have Paul confused with Jesus Mr. Bible Thumper. Your hateful judgmental posts totally void of compassion and full of arrogance say it all.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#17 Nov 30, 2013
Sceptical_Mal wrote:
<quoted text>
I am 100% sure that I am not going.
You can be 100% sure the other way if you want. Right NOW is the time of salvation. You can get things settled with the Lord at this very moment. We are talking about ETERNITY here, ETERNITY. If you end up in Hell, it is because you sent yourself there. Don't reject the ONLY way into Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Can I share a few short gospel tracts with you guys?

"Where is Your Destination?"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

"God Loves You"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

"Heaven or Hell?"
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_ht...

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#18 Nov 30, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
It's us Fundamental Bible-Believing Christians who are out getting the gospel to the lost world, seeing souls get saved, people become productive Christians, and getting people involved into church. All the while the modern "feel good" Laodicean so-called Christians are sitting around doing NOTHING for the Lord while saying "boo hoo, judge not, don't call sin a sin".
The Word of God will make those in disobedience to it upset, this is Biblical fulfillment of the scriptures.
Really? Other than posting rants online, how many actual human beings have become Christians as a result of your evangelism? I'm guessing not many.

I've run across your type many times. You were probably an absolute gutter dirtbag for most of your life. Then about - let's say 12 months or so give or take, you found Jesus and became a Christian. But because of your long history of sin, you're deeply insecure about your own worthiness as a Christian. So now you're trying to "win points" by being the most zealous Christian of all, and shoving your faith in everyone's face every five seconds because you think that's what evangelism is.

If you truly want to bring more people to Christianity, the FIRST thing you need to do is read C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity". Otherwise you're just a guy who has finally learned how to ride a bicycle and now thinks that means he can fix cars.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#19 Nov 30, 2013
28 yr Midlo Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you. I would love to post more, but there isn't much for me to reply to here. I'm glad to see people like you on here though. God Bless!
Thank you for your kind words. I didn't originally realize the thread was cross posting on other areas, but this is even better yet. More people will get the chance to receive the gospel message.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#20 Nov 30, 2013
achyfi wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Other than posting rants online, how many actual human beings have become Christians as a result of your evangelism? I'm guessing not many.
I've run across your type many times. You were probably an absolute gutter dirtbag for most of your life. Then about - let's say 12 months or so give or take, you found Jesus and became a Christian. But because of your long history of sin, you're deeply insecure about your own worthiness as a Christian. So now you're trying to "win points" by being the most zealous Christian of all, and shoving your faith in everyone's face every five seconds because you think that's what evangelism is.
If you truly want to bring more people to Christianity, the FIRST thing you need to do is read C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity". Otherwise you're just a guy who has finally learned how to ride a bicycle and now thinks that means he can fix cars.
Your anger is caused by Holy Spirit conviction. You're just proving how true and powerful the Word of God truly is. You don't need to fight against me, heed the Holy Spirit conviction and cry out to the Lord to save you.

Your anger is actually a good sign, God has lead you to this thread for a reason. You can be a saved child of God right NOW, if you wish. If you reject it, you may never get another chance.

Check out this link:
"How To Be Saved According to the Word of God"
http://www.soulwinning.info/tracts/how_to_be_...

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