The Alliance Defending Freedom Tries ...

The Alliance Defending Freedom Tries To Bypass Marriage Equality Laws

There are 14 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Nov 20, 2012, titled The Alliance Defending Freedom Tries To Bypass Marriage Equality Laws . In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The Alliance Defending Freedom is not letting having one of their lawyers being arrested for child pornography stop them from pushing their anti-gay agenda on Maine, Maryland and Washington by telling the officials in each state that they can refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#1 Nov 20, 2012
This approach has not worked for County Clerks in the past and all it does is show that the ADF does not care for the law or the vote of the people, but just their particular beliefs and shows what animus it has towards Gay and Lesbian couples.

People should have a right to their religious freedoms, but not at the expense of being able to discriminate just because they see marriage differently........I mean, would it be okay for me to be a County Clerk and refuse to marry an interfaith couple because of my religious beliefs? NO, and that's what ADF is saying is okay......and that will just get these folks fired or cost them their jobs.....not right either!!!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Nov 20, 2012
Yep, this is just another way for ADF to drum up more clients and thereby get more money in attorney's fees. I encourage them to plow ahead!

Bottom line, if you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs then you should find another job.

Since: Aug 08

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#3 Nov 20, 2012
If straight clerks could or can legally refuse to marry gay couples and retain their job could gay clerks refuse to marry all straight couples and only gay couples? I know gays can legally be fired for being in most places but for arguments sake if they couldn't be fired for being gay could they be fired for refusing to marry straight couples while straight clerks get special privileges to not marry gay couples? Don't gay people have freedom of religion too? What if they create their own religion where gay marriage is the only valid marriage according to their beliefs or is the government going to show favor to some religions over others?

Since: Aug 08

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#4 Nov 20, 2012
*I know gays can legally be fired for being gay in most places...
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#5 Nov 20, 2012
If their religious standards prevent them from issuing licenses to gay couples (something not addressed in the Bible), do they also refuse licenses to straight couples who have lied, coveted their neighbor's things, murdered, stolen, declined to go to church on Sundays, all things which ARE definitely addressed in the Bible as no-nos? If they're going to us their religion as a shield, they should be compelled to observe ALL the things that book finds appalling and deny any straight applicant who has committed any of the clearly defined sins.

Since: Mar 07

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#6 Nov 21, 2012
Since remarriage after divorce is CLEARLY prohibited in the Bible, prohibited by Jesus Himself, would all of those "religious" clerks refuse marriage licenses to those adulterous heterosexual sinners?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Nov 21, 2012
Ahhh, the hypocrisy of the "religious"......

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#8 Nov 21, 2012
equalityboy81 wrote:
What if they create their own religion where gay marriage is the only valid marriage according to their beliefs or is the government going to show favor to some religions over others?
Government has been favoring one religion over all others for years now, so what makes anyone think it will change any time soon?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#9 Nov 21, 2012
"ADF Senior Counsel Austin R. Nimocks 'No American should be forced to give up a constitutionally protected freedom, nor should any American be forced to give up his or her job to maintain that freedom. Religious freedom is paramount to every American, including those issuing marriage licenses. They can perform their job without violating their conscience.'"

Note the word SHOULD at the beginning of his comment. He's advocating the people put their jobs at risk but he's not being honest and just saying it. Nice, huh?

My guess is this guy gets a little excited each time an ambulance zooms by, too....

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#10 Nov 21, 2012
Sir Andrew wrote:
If their religious standards prevent them from issuing licenses to gay couples (something not addressed in the Bible), do they also refuse licenses to straight couples who have lied, coveted their neighbor's things, murdered, stolen, declined to go to church on Sundays, all things which ARE definitely addressed in the Bible as no-nos? If they're going to us their religion as a shield, they should be compelled to observe ALL the things that book finds appalling and deny any straight applicant who has committed any of the clearly defined sins.
You don't even have to go that far. Jesus was VERY clear about divorced people remarrying. VERY VERY clear.

Yet, I'm guessing that those same clerks that would crap their pants over (gasp!!) giving a license to a gay couple wouldn't blink an eye at giving one to straight people that are divorced....

Since: Aug 08

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#11 Nov 22, 2012
Sir Andrew wrote:
If their religious standards prevent them from issuing licenses to gay couples (something not addressed in the Bible), do they also refuse licenses to straight couples who have lied, coveted their neighbor's things, murdered, stolen, declined to go to church on Sundays, all things which ARE definitely addressed in the Bible as no-nos? If they're going to us their religion as a shield, they should be compelled to observe ALL the things that book finds appalling and deny any straight applicant who has committed any of the clearly defined sins.
I guess they could refuse to marry just about anyone gay or straight meaning they wouldn't have to do much work and the taxpayers including gays pay their salary. They should find a different occupation that wouldn't compromise their so called beliefs.

Since: Aug 08

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#12 Nov 22, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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Government has been favoring one religion over all others for years now, so what makes anyone think it will change any time soon?
At least it could be challenged on religious grounds and since religion is protected one with views differing from the norm should be protected as well.

Since: Aug 08

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#13 Nov 22, 2012
eJohn wrote:
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You don't even have to go that far. Jesus was VERY clear about divorced people remarrying. VERY VERY clear.
Yet, I'm guessing that those same clerks that would crap their pants over (gasp!!) giving a license to a gay couple wouldn't blink an eye at giving one to straight people that are divorced....
Sounds like those straight clerks are guilty of double standards, hypocrisy, discrimination, bigotry, oppression, and selective enforcement.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

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#14 Nov 22, 2012
equalityboy81 wrote:
*I know gays can legally be fired for being gay in most places...
Actually, your original statement -- "I know gays can legally be fired for being in most places..." -- would also be true, sad to say.

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