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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1615 Aug 10, 2014
Augustus wrote:
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I'm looking forward to a great sermon from Brother Bubba!
When does the bar open?

Sergeant at Arms opened the bar about an hour ago. Smoke 'em if you gottem. Smoking lamp is lit.
Sergeant at Arms

Mclean, VA

#1616 Aug 10, 2014
Augustus wrote:
I guess Dandy Deacon and Brother Bubba got lost again.
No friend Dandy Deacon and Brother Bubba will begin at 5 PM cst
(Central Standard Time) when the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand on the 5 now please STFU. You are over anxious, belly up to the bar.
Oh yes yes smoke'm if you got'm.
Sergeant at Arms

Mclean, VA

#1617 Aug 10, 2014

Mclean, VA

#1622 Aug 10, 2014
Romans 6:15-18

"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!{16} Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?{17} But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.{18} You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

The subject for the next several weeks is spiritual weariness. There comes to many of us the sense of drudgery - a lack of joy and lightness in our walk with the Lord. There are many reasons for this - and we will look at them. There are also Scriptural solutions - the power of the gospel works. People can be made new creatures in Christ Jesus.

In short, there is fullness of joy - 1 Peter 1:8 - "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy"

I have gradually developed the conviction that many of our troubles in the Christian life come from not making a proper start.

ILL Like buttoning up your coat - if the first button isn't in the right hole, you're going to be wrong all the way down.

Conversion is the starting place for everything spiritual. If that isn't as big as it was meant to be, nothing else will compensate for it. You can't beef things up a little down the road just by trying a little harder. You can't fix up a faulty conversion just by finding a better church, or listening to snappier sermons, or joining the choir, or even finding a good Christian counselor.

For all of those reasons I am very fond of Paul's words in Romans chapter 6:17 - "But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted."

Listen to the same verse from the NKJV - "But God be thanked that though you were slaves to sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered"

What I want to say is this - conversion is an experience of the MIND, the HEART, and the WILL. All three must be solidly involved.

Like a stool with three legs. Each one is of crucial importance. Take any one away and the stool won't stand.

Mclean, VA

#1623 Aug 10, 2014
Now I am convinced that there are all sorts of people - Christian people - who will experience all sorts of spiritual depression, fear and weariness simply because they never made a proper start in the Christian life.

I'm not saying they're not saved. I'm not saying they're not going to heaven. I'm talking about joy and life and power here on earth. There are many people who live far below their provision in Christ. there is so much more than they ever appreciate and experience.

The sad thing is not only that they will miss out on so much in their own lives. The real tragedy is that they are such a poor testimony of the power and grace of God to others! People don't get to see modeled before them the beauty of our Lord. Their lives don't carry around that fragrance of Jesus that Paul talks about.

There are inadequate ways of making entry into the Christian life:


That's hinted at in the verses from Romans chapter six:

Romans 6:15-16 - "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!{16} Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?"

At least some people had bad misunderstandings about what being a Christian was all about. Can you imagine a person thinking that the more they sinned, the more of God's grace would be automatically manifested in their lives? How could a person think like that?

The truth is, PEOPLE DO THINK LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME! I talk with them week after week. People who want to call themselves Christians, but never go to church. People who call themselves Christians but want to maintain homosexual relationships. People who call themselves Christians but aren't faithful to their marriage partner.

Now, people have always sinned against the Lord. But something has been happening more and more in the church lately. People are starting to feel that it's optional, whether or not they are really GOOD Christians or not. And if they choose to deliberately disobey the Lord in some area, they just slip from being a nine or ten, down a few notches to a seven or six.

ILL married person in an affair - "Well, we aren't sleeping together. We hold hands and kiss a little bit. But she understands me. Our relationship is a beautiful thing!"

I said, "Listen, you'll go to hell if you continue in that relationship!"

"What are you talking about?"

Mclean, VA

#1624 Aug 10, 2014
I said, "Read it for yourself - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders {10} nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now, those sins are not what I'm preaching about. My point is found in those first words of the verses - "Do you not know?" - those are the same words that start out our text in Romans 6:16.

People can enter the Christian life, and be way down the road in their attempts at following Jesus - finding it a terribly frustrating experience - nothing working - no power - no joy - no victory - all because there were certain key truths that were never firmly grasped with the mind when they first started out!

Let me talk a little bit more about this:

a) Some people think of the gospel merely as a message of forgiveness - And they certainly need forgiveness. They feel badly about certain things. The gospel comes and says "you can be forgiven" - "you can be made clean" - and they want to be clean inside.

So they take their forgiveness from Jesus and assume that's all there is to the gospel. They have what they wanted. They aren't thinking about Jesus' Lordship or dying to self. All they wanted was forgiveness. They will be miserable down the road in the Christian life.

b) Some people think of the gospel only as a message of morality - They want to do more good with their lives. They are tired of their own wickedness. They are looking for life on a higher, improved level.

They hear of the golden rule, or the Sermon on the mount - "How wonderful this world would be if everyone could live like that!"

Such a person may find a certain appeal in the "Christian ethic" - they are attracted to Jesus. But if that's the primary understanding they have of the gospel when they respond to Jesus they will be miserable in their experience of Christianity. They will never live up to all of those ethical codes and standards. They will wonder why they feel like such hypocrites. Why they are still so chained to sin and rebellion - so fascinated with evil.

c) Some people are just attracted to things mystical or religious - They like steeples and stained windows. They are moved by organs and choirs. They are easily moved by talk of God and love and peace.

They love to be with their friends at the church. They enjoy the warmth - because the world and the workplace are so cold and uncaring. They like the candles at Christmas and the dramas at Easter.

Mclean, VA

#1625 Aug 10, 2014
They assume that because they enjoy church that they love Jesus. And they will always be miserable in the Christian life because life isn't always serene and pretty. Not everything is inspiring. They will soon tire of that church and want another one. Because church can never be to them what only Jesus can be!

Now that is why both Paul and Jesus take great pains to make sure that people understand right up front what they are doing when they are converted. There is no rushing. There is urgency but not rush. They answer all the questions. They deal with all the objections. They lay out all of the cost and hardship.

Paul says there's a form of teaching. A pattern of doctrine. They had to have good grasp of the whole thing. There is power in the truth of God! Jesus said, "You shall know the truth - and the truth shall make you free!"

15 minute smoke break remember what the good book says "don't bogart" / most of all do not share with the homos [Aids cooties]

Mclean, VA

#1626 Aug 10, 2014
Other churches pass around the offering plate for chump change Sheeit the bar making money hand over fist and remember free popcorn. Dandy Deacon needs a new Lamborghini chick magnet you know.
Sergeant at Arms

Mclean, VA

#1627 Aug 10, 2014
ok Ok OKAY STFU Dandy Deacon is in the house.

Mclean, VA

#1628 Aug 10, 2014

This is a hard point to really put into words. But it's sadly lacking in broad slices of today's church. There's a radial, passionate element in true conversion and discipleship. It was intended to be consuming!

Perhaps I can say it this way - there's a vast difference between a person TAKING UP CHRISTIANITY and being TAKEN UP BY JESUS CHRIST!

I've been thinking a lot about this in terms of my own little heart. I find the last verse in the book of Ephesians almost haunting at times:

Ephesians 6:24 - "Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love." That's where the grace of God dwells.

Do you really love Jesus? Do you love other things more?

Luke 24:32 - "They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"

Listen, coming to Jesus, being born again, being converted - whatever terms you want to use - there's nothing mechanical about Christ in the heart! You can't just sign up - you must love Him!

"The True Christian's Love for the Unseen Christ" by Thomas Vincent:

"Jesus knows if He has their love, their desires will be chiefly after Him. Their delights will be chiefly in Him; their hopes and expectations will be chiefly in Him; their hatred, fear, grief, anger, will be carried forth chiefly unto sin as it is offensive to Him. He knows that love will engage and employ for Him all the powers and faculties of their souls; their thoughts will be brought into captivity and obedience unto Him; their understandings will be employed in seeking and finding out His truths; their memories will be receptacles to retain them; their consciences will be ready to accuse and excuse as His faithful deputies; their wills will choose and refuse, according to His direction and revealed pleasure...If they have much love for Him, they will not think much of denying themselves, taking up His cross, and following Him wherever He leads them."

I have to hurry on to the last part of a proper response to Jesus - first the MIND, then the HEART. Now for the third part:
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1629 Aug 10, 2014
Tell it from the mountain top Brother Bubba!

Mclean, VA

#1630 Aug 10, 2014

This is not just works. This is a person whose MIND has fully grasped the message of grace through the redemption in Christ's atoning death. His HEART has come to fully love the presence of the risen Christ through the indwelling work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration. Now, the WILL is engaged to follow Jesus in glad obedience of love.

Notice the unusual way Paul words his teaching in Romans 6:17 - "But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted."

Normally, we would say, "the form of teaching that was entrusted to you" - but Paul says, "you obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted."

Paul is laboring to make sure that these readers understand that the MIND is vitally important in the Christian life - BUT HE IS NOT JUST WRITING ABOUT SOME INTELLECTUAL GRASP OF TRUTH! It's not enough just to know a great deal. Also, the HEART and EMOTIONS need to be stirred - BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO BE MOVED IN YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE THINGS OF THE GOSPEL.

He says there's a FORM of teaching - a PATTERN - literally the word is a "TYPOS" of teaching. What english word do you think we get from that word "TYPOS"?

To type - the "impression made by a blow" - the life is taken up by that form of teaching - indented by it - marked by it! The life takes the imprint of the type. The shape of the form. The same cut as the pattern.

In fact, the closest model Paul can find is the past life of sin in these Roman believers. Just as they used to be slaves to sin - dominated by it - now they are under the same hold by Jesus Christ! It marks and affects everything they do. In fact, they don't do anything the way they used to do it before.

MIND, HEART and WILL - you have to start right if you want to finish right.

Mclean, VA

#1631 Aug 10, 2014
Autographed CD's and hats and t-shirts on sale at the concession stand.

Mclean, VA

#1632 Aug 10, 2014

As we enter into this season of celebration for us as believers, we face an opportunity and a responsibility that I think is unique to the season and that is to be ready to speak the gospel to the folks that are around us who don’t know the Lord Jesus Christ. You heard from Travis the commission of Jesus to go into all the world and make disciples, baptizing them and commanding them to do all things that I have commanded you. This is our commission, this is why we are here in this world, to be ministers of reconciliation with a message of reconciliation to God that sinners might be saved. We talk about that, being saved. One of the people being baptized tonight made reference to being saved.

What are we talking about? What is it we want people saved from? That is the compelling question. The answer to that question, as far as Scripture is concerned, is a simple answer. We want to see people saved from eternal punishment, punishment that never ends. Conscious existence, conscious life in a body resurrected and suited for everlasting punishment. The Bible speaks of that as occurring in a place that we know as hell. In the Old Testament, the word Sheol makes reference to that in a general way. In the New Testament, the word Hades is sometimes with reference to that. But always the word hell coming from the Greek word Gehenna speaks of what the book of Revelation calls this Lake of Fire where people are punished and tormented forever.

I think we sort of comfortably distance ourselves from that reality. Certainly in general in the church it is looked over, passed by, ignored. There are those who claim to be preachers who don’t ever talk about hell, wouldn't talk about hell, avoid it at all costs, when the truth of the matter is, it ought to be the first thing that we talk about when we talk about the gospel. This is about salvation from hell.

Mclean, VA

#1633 Aug 10, 2014
The doctrine of hell, the truth of hell, the reality of hell has found its way into the thinking of our culture. According to the latest survey that I could find, seventy-five percent of people living in America believe in hell. They believe there’s a hell. That’s the influence of Christianity, 75 percent. Of those 75 percent, four percent believe there is any chance that they will ever go there. So we’ve gotten our point across. There is a hell. But we haven’t gotten the point across that you’re headed there already. That’s the issue.

We live in a world where sin is freely exploited. Sin is so much a part of our culture that every imaginable sin is acceptable, except pedophilia, that’s the last sin left. And you watch the outrage, at least in the athletic world, if not in the Roman Catholic Church, over the sin of pedophilia. You don’t find that outrage over adultery, you don’t find that outrage over homosexuality, you don’t find that outrage over lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

Murder is still unacceptable unless the person doesn’t deserve to live. The murder of a child is still an outrage. But we’re very used to sinning. And we’re very comfortable with sin and consequently society has very few consequences that it places on people for sin. So when people grow up in a world where things that once were defined as sin are no longer defined as sin, and behaviors have no consequence in the society, where, for example, when junior comes home at the age of twelve and announces to his mother that he’s a homosexual, she becomes a homosexual advocate. Absolutely no consequences to that kind of immoral behavior. There’s a warped sense of good and evil and distorted understanding of justice. We don’t know what sin is except a sin can never be what I do, it can be, however, if what I do harms someone else, that would be sin. But any act that I do in and of itself I’m free to do and there shouldn’t be any consequences at all.

And the truth of the matter is then if the culture imposes no consequences and the family imposes no consequences, the society places no stigma on people for the kind of behaviors that are sinful behaviors, people get so used to sinning without consequences that when you introduce the idea that they will pay in full forever for every sin, that is just alien to their thinking. People sin without immediate consequences and to try to convince them that there are somehow down the road, decades from now if they live, deferred consequences is a hard sell.

Mclean, VA

#1634 Aug 10, 2014
For example, you might want to try to convince someone of Romans 2 which says that you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and the revelation of the righteous judgment of God. You’re not getting away with anything, no act of fornication, no act of adultery, no sin in the mind, no sin in the behavior, no sin with the lips, no lie, no deception, no cheating, you’re not going to get away with any of it, you’re just accumulating iniquities, all of which will be confronted and judged. You’re storing up wrath. You’re going to need to have a large storehouse to contain all the wrath that’s going to break upon your head.

That is a very difficult thing to convince people about who are so used to sinning. And at the same time, they’re so used to getting away with it. They’re not only used, can I say to getting away with it in the culture and in the world, but professing Christians are used to getting away with it in the so-called church. Churches are…so-called churches are very, very reluctant to confront sin, very reluctant to do the discipline that the Bible talks about doing, to teach people the consequence of sin. Parents are very reluctant to create significant consequences for the sins of their children, which may be the most important thing apart from the gospel that your child ever learns. That sin has immense and painful consequences. We need to tell people that every unforgiven sin, every sin committed by every person who rejects Jesus Christ will be justly punished by God forever in a place called hell.

This is not new. This is what the Bible has said. You can go back to Moses. You can go back to the Pentateuch, the first section of books in the Bible. In Deuteronomy 32:22, it reads this way in the Authorized Version,“A fire is kindled…says God…in my anger and burns to the lowest part of hell.” The 1611 King James version made it clear even that early that the anger of God reached into hell. Our Lord’s first New Testament sermon was a sermon on hell. Jesus is a hell-fire preacher. I hear people say,“Well I don’t want to talk about hell, that’s very negative.” Jesus was a hell-fire preacher. Matthew 5, His first sermon as laid out in the New Testament, verse 22 of chapter 5 of Matthew,“I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be guilty before the court and whoever says to his brother, you good for nothing, shall be guilty before the Supreme Court and whoever says, You fool, shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.”

Mclean, VA

#1635 Aug 10, 2014
Here is Jesus arriving in Jerusalem and beginning the first part of His ministry, then going up to Galilee and finishing off His ministry and wherever He went He was a preacher of hell. The Sermon on the Mount happens to be given on a hillside in Galilee. He speaks of the fiery hell as if He assumed that everybody knew about it, He doesn’t have to give them a definition or a description, it was a very well-known part of their biblical understanding.

Same sermon, verse 29, if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you, it’s better for you to lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Verse 30,“If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, throw it from you. Better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.”

In the tenth chapter of the book of Matthew, that very familiar verse which is often quoted, and we’ll come back to it in a little bit, Matthew 10:28 where we read this,“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul…our Lord says…but fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” In chapter 11 He talks about hell. In Matthew chapter 18 He talks about hell. He talks about hell in chapter 23 several times. He says that the Pharisees are guilty of producing sons of hell and they’re sons of hell themselves.”

Yes, Jesus was a hell-fire preacher. When we talk about salvation, the word has to be used…the word has to be used because we’re talking about rescue. Salvation is a word that means deliverance or rescue and the question is…from what? Contemporary kind of corrupted Christianity would offer many psychological and even material substitutes for hell. We would say,“Well, Jesus wants to save me from loneliness or He wants to save you from purposelessness, or He wants to save you from anxiety, or He wants to save you from poverty, or He wants to save you from failure, or He wants to save you from sickness, or He wants to save you from disappointment. No, no, He desires to save you from hell, from the fiery hell, the lake of fire that is eternal. The message of Scripture is that salvation is a rescue, a rescue from a real place called hell.

Mclean, VA

#1636 Aug 10, 2014
Jesus spoke more about hell than anybody else in the Bible. In fact, He spoke more about hell than everybody else in the Bible combined. And He defined it as conscious, eternal punishment…conscious, eternal punishment. Our Lord Jesus believed in eternal hell. We’ll talk about some of the things that He said about it in a little bit. He continually spoke about hell and He warned sinners to escape hell because of its horrible reality.

Turn to Luke 16 for a moment. And in Luke 16 you have Jesus actually telling a story about a man who went to hell. You will remember this. There was a rich man, Luke 16:19, he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And there was a poor man named Lazarus who was laid at his gate, covered with sores and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table. Besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.

Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. That’s kind of an Old Testament reference to a place of comfort, a place of peace where Abraham is and Abraham, of course, was a true believer as the father of faith who received righteousness because he believed. So this would be heaven. And there went the poor man.

The rich man, on the other hand, died and was buried in Hades, which, of course, here refers to hell because of the way its described. He lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. This is a parable and there are some names the Lord uses. He doesn’t usually use names in parables, but on this occasion He did, He used the name of Lazarus and Abraham. And this rich man who is shocked that he has ended up in hell, cried out and said,“Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue for I am in agony in this flame.

Mclean, VA

#1637 Aug 10, 2014
So now Jesus tells us this is a place that you go to after death. This is a place of torment. This is a place of thirst. This is a place of agony. This is a place of fire. All of that is in what we just read. Abraham said,“Child, remember that during your life you received your good things and likewise Lazarus bad things. Now he’s being comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this between us and you, there is a great chasm fixed so that those who wished to come over from here to you will not be able and none may cross over from there to us.

Once you’re there, you’re there forever. No escape. This is our Lord’s story describing hell. Was the Son of God wrong about that? Are the deniers of hell correct and there are many, many of them? It has become popular these days to deny the doctrine of hell in one of three ways, okay? I’ll give you a little insight into that. Number one is the view called annihilationism…annihilationis m. This says unbelievers go out of existence. When they die, they just go out of existence, they don’t exist anymore. That the Bible doesn’t support since the Bible speaks of eternal conscious punishment.

The second view that is offered, and by the way, people give very sophisticated arguments for this. I read a book, 475 pages on annihilationism trying to make the argument from the text of Scripture called The Fire That Consumes. And there are many others…many others. Recently a book questioning the doctrine of hell and advocating an annihilationist’s view was written by a man named Rob Bell. The second possibility that is offered today is universalism…universalism. This says that all unbelievers are in the end saved. They don’t go out of existence, they’re saved. These people would say yes, there is a hell. And this is where they hedge against the first one. There is a hell but hell was created for the devil and his angels, and that is what it says, of course, in the book of Revelation. So they’re the only ones who will go there.

In the Roman Catholic University, Fordham University in New York, there’s a theological professor who said this,“It’s there…hell is…but possible that no one will go there.” That’s a universalist’s view that in the end God is going to save everybody. That doesn’t match with Scripture because the whole message of Scripture is that the ungodly are forever excluded from God’s presence and forever punished. If everybody is saved in the end, then everything in the Bible that speaks of eternal punishment is unbelievable, error. So whether you have all the sinners die or all the sinners get saved, die go out of existence, or get saved, you still don’t explain what the Bible says about everlasting punishment.

Mclean, VA

#1638 Aug 10, 2014
There’s a third view called…we’ll call it inclusivism so annihilationism, universalism, inclusivism—that would be my word for it, some people will go to hell, but it will be the people who heard the gospel and rejected the gospel and the people who never heard the gospel won’t go to hell, they’ll be saved. So it’s kind of a selective inclusivism. Unbelievers who never heard the gospel will be saved because they aren’t responsible for their situation. They’ll be saved.

But the problem with that is you can’t get saved unless you believe in Christ. There’s no salvation in any other name than the name of Jesus Christ. Universalism has its advocates, believe me. There are many advocates of universalism but they tend to be Bible deniers. The inclusivists who say the people who never heard the message are the ones who will be saved and not the rest, have a same problem, because they don’t have any support for their view in the Bible at all. And they tend to be weak on the view of Scripture and just throw away the verses that they don’t like. The dominant view is that first one I gave you called annihilationism and I want to talk about that a little bit, because you’re going to face it somewhere. It’s a trendy thing. It’s a popular idea. Some most remarkably useful, less effective, capable teachers of the Bible have lapsed into annihilationism, or as it’s sometimes called “Soul Sleep.” It’s the popular idea because it feels comfortable and it feels fair to the people who make a case for it.

Now how to they make their case? How do you make a case for unbelievers just being obliterated, exterminated, wiped out forever? Their first argument comes from the verse I read you in Matthew 10 verse 28,“Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. They tend to go there, and they like that word “destroy.” All right? They want to use that word “destroy.” Stick with me cause it’s going to be helpful to you. It’s a Greek word, apollumi…apollumi. That may sound a little bit familiar in your ear because in Revelation 9:11, Satan is given the name Apollyon, the destroyer. Apollumi is the word to destroy. But it is not its only meaning. That’s not the only possibility. But they say that word says that the ones who are under the judgment of God will be destroyed both soul and body in hell, so that they would go to hell and then be wiped out and exterminated, annihilated forever, non-existence.

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