Man pepper-sprays gay-bashing teen: h...

Man pepper-sprays gay-bashing teen: heroic or justified?

There are 103 comments on the www.theglobeandmail.com story from Sep 12, 2012, titled Man pepper-sprays gay-bashing teen: heroic or justified?. In it, www.theglobeandmail.com reports that:

If someone was taunting and harassing a loved one, your instinct would probably be to fight back, right?

Now what if the tormentor was a teenaged girl?

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Gays Run the World

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Sep 12, 2012
We should start spraying annoying homophobes with skunk juice
.
They'll keep their distance

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#2 Sep 12, 2012
The problem in my view was not her age but the fact that she was not in the act of committing an actual asssault. If she had been, I think he would have been justified.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#3 Sep 12, 2012
PS to Americans: You should be aware that Canada does not allow as much legal leeway in defense against crime as the US does, though that may be changing. In a recent case in Toronto a grocery merchant in a small produce market in Chinatown held down a detained a repeated shoplifter until the police arrived. He was charged with illegal use of force and in addition the shoplifter tried to sue him. He was acquitted and the suit failed. The reason the laws were so strict here was that Canada was considered a peaceful and orderly society. It still has a low crime rate but there is increasingly less tolerance for crime here. I am not even quite sure if the "man's home is his castle" concept applies here; I believe it does not.

I am not personally in favour of vigilanteism, which to my mind means trying to assault or kill someone who is not actively in the process of committing a crime, such as the "hoodie" shooting in Florida. But as a former American, I do find the Canadian regulations somewhat troublesome as they seem to leave little leeway for self-defense in cases that do not involve murder, rape or assault.

Of course if FaFoxy reads this he will probably scream that the "Canadian workwer's paradise is a nanny state" which is not really true. BU

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#4 Sep 12, 2012
So how do you handle bullying from some anonymous person?

Her parents weren't with her so they couldn't be "Talked" to and do you think she was going to tell the subject of her diatribe her name and address.

Eventually if you push people far enough they will start to push back.

And in a way she did commit and assault - just because it's verbal doesn't make it any less hurtful.

Besides, a 14 yo should have been taught not to talk to adults that way.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Sep 12, 2012
It's not entirely clear from this story, but it does appear that when he pepper-sprayed her, she wasn't attacking anyone. That would be a problem, for sure.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#6 Sep 12, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
PS to Americans: You should be aware that Canada does not allow as much legal leeway in defense against crime as the US does, though that may be changing. In a recent case in Toronto a grocery merchant in a small produce market in Chinatown held down a detained a repeated shoplifter until the police arrived. He was charged with illegal use of force and in addition the shoplifter tried to sue him. He was acquitted and the suit failed. The reason the laws were so strict here was that Canada was considered a peaceful and orderly society. It still has a low crime rate but there is increasingly less tolerance for crime here. I am not even quite sure if the "man's home is his castle" concept applies here; I believe it does not.
I am not personally in favour of vigilanteism, which to my mind means trying to assault or kill someone who is not actively in the process of committing a crime, such as the "hoodie" shooting in Florida. But as a former American, I do find the Canadian regulations somewhat troublesome as they seem to leave little leeway for self-defense in cases that do not involve murder, rape or assault.
Of course if FaFoxy reads this he will probably scream that the "Canadian workwer's paradise is a nanny state" which is not really true. BU
If she had done this only once, I would say he overreacted, but she did it repeatedly. How was he to know, especially if she looks older than she is, it wouldn't escalate?

Maybe his actions were excessive, but at least he taught her there are consequences for failing to control her nasty little mouth.

Now if only we could find a way to automatically pepper-spray the trolls as soon as they enter Topix ...

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#7 Sep 12, 2012
I nearly killed a kid when I was in junior high school when I finally cracked. He called me "Gay Boy" one too many times so I cracked him upside the head with my book bag and jumped on top of him when he feel to the ground dazed. I had both of his ears in my hands and was about to start bashing the back of his head into the concrete when (thankfully) the assistant principal pulled me off of him. I tried to stomp on his hand as they were dragging me away. I was WAY out-of-control.

I am positive I would have killed the kid if I hadn't been pulled off of him.(which, of course, I'm grateful that I was and I didn't)

Because it was obvious to everyone there that I'd been pushed behind a reasonable limit, I didn't even get detention. I got sent home for the day to calm down, but nothing else happened. The didn't even call my parents. I DID tell the kid that I WOULD get him again if he didn't leave me alone.

I endured many future incidents of anti-gay bullying, but never from that kid.

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#8 Sep 12, 2012
eJohn wrote:
It's not entirely clear from this story, but it does appear that when he pepper-sprayed her, she wasn't attacking anyone. That would be a problem, for sure.
That is true. He probably would have been on a better legal footing had he acted while she was ranting.
Cy from Cypress

Muncie, IN

#9 Sep 12, 2012
eJohn wrote:
I nearly killed a kid when I was in junior high school when I finally cracked. He called me "Gay Boy" one too many times so I cracked him upside the head with my book bag and jumped on top of him when he feel to the ground dazed. I had both of his ears in my hands and was about to start bashing the back of his head into the concrete when (thankfully) the assistant principal pulled me off of him. I tried to stomp on his hand as they were dragging me away. I was WAY out-of-control.
I am positive I would have killed the kid if I hadn't been pulled off of him.(which, of course, I'm grateful that I was and I didn't)
Because it was obvious to everyone there that I'd been pushed behind a reasonable limit, I didn't even get detention. I got sent home for the day to calm down, but nothing else happened. The didn't even call my parents. I DID tell the kid that I WOULD get him again if he didn't leave me alone.
I endured many future incidents of anti-gay bullying, but never from that kid.
What, you got called "Gay Boy" and cracked...whatever happened to "Gay Pride"?

LMFAO

You queers need to straighten up and you won't feel insulted!!!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#11 Sep 12, 2012
Cy from Cypress wrote:
What, you got called "Gay Boy" and cracked...whatever happened to "Gay Pride"?
LMFAO
You queers need to straighten up and you won't feel insulted!!!
Oh hon, criticizing someone for being more of a man than you could ever hope or pray to be is probably not the wisest tactic to take here. He stood up for what is right, while you cower in the corner and squeak that it's our job to just sit back and smile in the face of abuse. That may be your way to scurry through life, but sometimes enough is too much already and bullies and wannabes need a reality check.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#12 Sep 12, 2012
That teenage "girl" sounds like a real piece of work. To be that rage filled at her young age. By their careful descriptions of her looking "older", I am guessing she is as fat as an aircraft carrier and a true mess.

Obviously she is incredibly angry at the world and is taking it out on others.

Was the guy correct? Nope. That was above and beyond, but I'm glad it happened and I hope it was miserable for her. I wonder what I would have done about the little beast.

Don't worry, there will be FAR more trouble from that one as she matures. She sounds like a waiting train wreck to me.

Sorry this guy now may have a felony record.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#13 Sep 12, 2012
Cy from Cypress wrote:
<quoted text>What, you got called "Gay Boy" and cracked...whatever happened to "Gay Pride"?
LMFAO
You queers need to straighten up and you won't feel insulted!!!
Someone called me a "Texan" once and I kicked his ass for half an hour. Guess what, there is not a court in the land that would convict me. I got a medal from the town.
Strawberry Lipstick

Agawam, MA

#15 Sep 12, 2012
You're a walking danger to the health and well being of the world for your perversions.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#16 Sep 12, 2012
eJohn wrote:
I nearly killed a kid when I was in junior high school when I finally cracked. He called me "Gay Boy" one too many times so I cracked him upside the head with my book bag and jumped on top of him when he feel to the ground dazed. I had both of his ears in my hands and was about to start bashing the back of his head into the concrete when (thankfully) the assistant principal pulled me off of him. I tried to stomp on his hand as they were dragging me away. I was WAY out-of-control.
I am positive I would have killed the kid if I hadn't been pulled off of him.(which, of course, I'm grateful that I was and I didn't)
Because it was obvious to everyone there that I'd been pushed behind a reasonable limit, I didn't even get detention. I got sent home for the day to calm down, but nothing else happened. The didn't even call my parents. I DID tell the kid that I WOULD get him again if he didn't leave me alone.
I endured many future incidents of anti-gay bullying, but never from that kid.
Did you actually STOMP his hand? I wish. I hope it was his 'beat off' hand. Every time he did it from then on, he would be forced to think of you!

You GO eJohn. I'm glad you were stopped before you destroyed YOUR life with a grievous event. However, I still think you are THE MAN!
Strawberry Lipstick

Agawam, MA

#17 Sep 12, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Someone called me a "Texan" once and I kicked his ass for half an hour. Guess what, there is not a court in the land that would convict me. I got a medal from the town.
BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!
What a BULLSHITTER!
What a Texan!
What a putz!
LOL!
Texas Lipstick

Agawam, MA

#18 Sep 12, 2012
Curteese, the big gay texan from Kalamazoo!
BUWAHAHAHA!!!
Cy from Cypress

Muncie, IN

#19 Sep 12, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Someone called me a "Texan" once and I kicked his ass for half an hour. Guess what, there is not a court in the land that would convict me. I got a medal from the town.
I don't think homosexuals should be having sex with children.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#20 Sep 12, 2012
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2...

Posted as an example of my previous point. Why in hell this guy should be charged is beyond me. He did not use a firearm and was clearly protecting his family. BTW, Keele and Eglinton is a shitty area. There are nice modest single family homes but they are surrounded by low income projects.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#21 Sep 12, 2012
Strawberry Lipstick wrote:
<quoted text>
BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!
What a BULLSHITTER!
What a Texan!
What a putz!
LOL!
I'm born and raised in California, you idiot. I guess the use of irony is far above your minimal education level. How sad, you growing up in the same state as Harvard and you are so WOEFULLY under educated.
Cy from Cypress

Muncie, IN

#22 Sep 12, 2012
JohnInToronto wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ toronto/story/2012/09/11/court -knife-assault.html?cmp=rss
Posted as an example of my previous point. Why in hell this guy should be charged is beyond me. He did not use a firearm and was clearly protecting his family. BTW, Keele and Eglinton is a shitty area. There are nice modest single family homes but they are surrounded by low income projects.
He should be charged with a hate crime against a Normal Decent person.

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