Pope Blesses Anti-Gay Uganda Leader

Jan 2, 2013 Full story: EDGE 36

Earlier this month, Pope Benedict XVI blessed the speaker of the Uganda Parliament after she lobbied for the country's anti-gay bill, which originally called for the death penalty for some gay acts and has received widespread international criticism.

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“Boot to the Head”

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#28 Jan 3, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The Vatican party line is that Benny was blessing the sinner and not her sin, we hear that a lot. What they and yourself are failing to grasp, is that for those who are the victims of her sins, he is giving his tacit approval of them.


Perhaps because that is the way the story is presented. The local Bishop, who is the appointed Church authority, has continuously and strongly opposed the proposed laws which are in direct contradiction with Church teaching.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>He knew he was blessing one of the driving forces behind the hoped for legal genocide of Uganda's supposed "gay problem" and yet he did it anyways without one word of rebuke before or since. He should be deeply ashamed of himself.
Yet, you don't know what the Pope knows or what he has said or written before or since to the local Bishop or the individual in question.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#29 Jan 3, 2013
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Hick, you should be deeply ashamed of yourself, endlessly trolling Christian threads when you choose to live in open rebellion against God's Commands. You certainly aren't in a position to judge others.
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
The pot is calling the kettle black.

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#30 Jan 3, 2013
fr "caleb":

>Hick, you should be deeply ashamed of yourself, endlessly trolling Christian threads when you choose to live in open rebellion against God's Commands. You certainly aren't in a position to judge others....<

Davy boy, hasn't momma taught you not to lie, yet?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#31 Jan 3, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
Perhaps because that is the way the story is presented. The local Bishop, who is the appointed Church authority, has continuously and strongly opposed the proposed laws which are in direct contradiction with Church teaching.
and yet the Pope still saw fit to bless Kadanga without rebuke for her actions. The reason it is being presented that way is because those are the facts.
Cathoholic wrote:
Yet, you don't know what the Pope knows or what he has said or written before or since to the local Bishop or the individual in question.
It really does not matter what Benny does privately when what he has done publicly is so reprehensible. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to rationalize it in a positive light.

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#32 Jan 4, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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Could it have been a WWJD moment?
"Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples,“Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?” But when Jesus heard this, He said,“It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.(Matthew 9:10)"
I'd buy that if he hadn't been running a pogrom to exclude US so much.

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#33 Jan 4, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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Perhaps because that is the way the story is presented. The local Bishop, who is the appointed Church authority, has continuously and strongly opposed the proposed laws which are in direct contradiction with Church teaching.
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Yet, you don't know what the Pope knows or what he has said or written before or since to the local Bishop or the individual in question.
"Church authority" ok. But he needs to keep his nose out of secular politics. This is like legislating fasting and abstinence into Civil Law.

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#34 Jan 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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"Church authority" ok. But he needs to keep his nose out of secular politics. This is like legislating fasting and abstinence into Civil Law.
So by staying out of secular politics, do you mean the Bishop not opposing the horrific anti-sodomy laws in Uganda?

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#35 Jan 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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I'd buy that if he hadn't been running a pogrom to exclude US so much.
I don't think the word "pogrom" means what you think it means.

Despite what some lawmakers propose doing, here is the Church's teaching:

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law." (LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS)

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#36 Jan 4, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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So by staying out of secular politics, do you mean the Bishop not opposing the horrific anti-sodomy laws in Uganda?
You mean the American religious organizations that have promoted them?

First some essential definitions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist%E...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Recons...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy

Then some essential backstory:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

Please give these a little serious attention, then let's continue our discussion.

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#38 Jan 4, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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I don't think the word "pogrom" means what you think it means.
Despite what some lawmakers propose doing, here is the Church's teaching:
"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law." (LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS)
Rationalization for systemic violence AND arrogant.

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#39 Jan 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
So the single Catholic example you bring up is a theory of how the Church was subordinate to the Emperor in the 4th century?

How does this apply to the Holy Father?

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#40 Jan 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
You mean the Protestant fringe groups (mostly) that are largely anti-Catholic?

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#41 Jan 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Rationalization for systemic violence AND arrogant.
Which part of:
"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action." is a "Rationalization for systemic violence..."?

Also 'an organized massacre of helpless people' has not been invited nor supported by the Catholic Church against homosexuals in any country.

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#43 Jan 4, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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You mean the Protestant fringe groups (mostly) that are largely anti-Catholic?
The founders of the National Prayer Breakfast, Oral Roberts University, Regent University, etc. hardly qualify as "fringe".

Listen to the interviews.
Reggie

Nacogdoches, TX

#44 Jan 4, 2013
Way to go Pope !!!

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