NY Agency Hears Lesbian Couple Wedding Complaint

Nov 7, 2013 Full story: EDGE 14

A lesbian couple urged New York's human rights agency Wednesday to rule that a wedding venue outside Albany broke the law when it refused to book their wedding last year.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Nov 7, 2013
"The Giffords, who testified they were each raised as Christians, one Baptist and one Catholic, acknowledged similar religious beliefs about marriage. "Itís one man and one woman as in the Bible," Robert Gifford said."

But "one man and one woman" is NOT what marriage is in the bible. The Jews of both the Old Testament and the New Testament wee polygamous. It was "one man with more than one wife". These people CONSTANTLY LIE ABOUT THIS FACT.

Furthermore, if the marriage of LGBT people offend their Christian beliefs, so much so that they don't want them on their property, then what about people who are Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu ? Because these people SPECIFICALLY REJECT that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. And that belief is THE CENTRAL BELIEF of Christianity. Doesn't specifically disavowing that belief offend their Christianity ? Shouldn't they logically then reject ALL non-Christians ?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#2 Nov 7, 2013
I looked up Liberty Ranch on Google and it DOESN'T say anything ABOUT not doing weddings for Same-Sex couples and I think they might just lose.......why do these EVANGELISTIC FUNDAMENTALIST believe that their religious convictions TRUMP anti-discrimination policies?

I guess they'll and we will find out how this case will go just like the other cases being watched!!!

Money is Money and for a business....IT SHOULDN'T matter who it comes from......just as long as it's good old-fashion American currency or credit card!!!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Nov 7, 2013
Best quote from the article:
Edge wrote:
Trainor said the farm lost business as a consequence. He asked the judge to note that if she rules against them and considers fines and civil penalties that the Giffords have already suffered financially.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#4 Nov 7, 2013
If the farm operates under a business license; it does not have a leg to stand on in a court of law

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Nov 7, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
If the farm operates under a business license; it does not have a leg to stand on in a court of law
That's not true. The church I attend each Sunday morning is legally a corporation (we happen to discuss this point this past Sunday. And I'm sure many other churches and religious institutions are also corporations).

And the church I attend can obviously permit, or not permit certain people, and groups of people to use the property, just like any other church or religious institution.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#6 Nov 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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That's not true. The church I attend each Sunday morning is legally a corporation (we happen to discuss this point this past Sunday. And I'm sure many other churches and religious institutions are also corporations).
And the church I attend can obviously permit, or not permit certain people, and groups of people to use the property, just like any other church or religious institution.
Sorry, but regarding this particular property.....IT IS NOT A CHURCH.....it is a PUBLIC BUSINESS and it advertises as a wonderful place for a wedding in the couple wants to spend 3000 on up......NOTHING states it is a religious place or that it has a right to refuse services to Gays and Lesbians!!!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Nov 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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That's not true. The church I attend each Sunday morning is legally a corporation (we happen to discuss this point this past Sunday. And I'm sure many other churches and religious institutions are also corporations).
And the church I attend can obviously permit, or not permit certain people, and groups of people to use the property, just like any other church or religious institution.
Your church has a religious tax-exemption
.
The Liberty Ridge Farm does not
Chance

Grove City, PA

#8 Nov 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but regarding this particular property.....IT IS NOT A CHURCH.....it is a PUBLIC BUSINESS and it advertises as a wonderful place for a wedding in the couple wants to spend 3000 on up......NOTHING states it is a religious place or that it has a right to refuse services to Gays and Lesbians!!!
It is also a home. And the article said that only parts of the farm are open to the public. Our constitution assure that we have the rights to our own property.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#9 Nov 8, 2013
Chance wrote:
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It is also a home. And the article said that only parts of the farm are open to the public. Our constitution assure that we have the rights to our own property.
And this would be true for this couple as well....HOWEVER the part open to the public MUST include Gays and Lesbians.......they DON'T get to decide when part of the Ranch is open to the public and when it's NOT!!!

Nice try though!!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#10 Nov 8, 2013
Having to sue everyone proves that gay marriage doesn't have the support that you think it does. Indifference is not support.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#11 Nov 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Having to sue everyone proves that gay marriage doesn't have the support that you think it does. Indifference is not support.
When laws are broken, then folks get sued and it DOESN'T mean that Gays and Lesbians don't have the support regarding the right to marry!!!

By the way.....there is NO such thing as "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" Marriage......NO State issues a Marriage license with those words on it!!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#12 Nov 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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1. When laws are broken, then folks get sued and it DOESN'T mean that Gays and Lesbians don't have the support regarding the right to marry!!!
2. By the way.....there is NO such thing as "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" Marriage......NO State issues a Marriage license with those words on it!!!
1. Yes it does.
2. In this state they change the license from 'Bride' and 'Groom' to Party 1 and Party 2 to accommodate gays. They went from a marriage license to an all purpose form.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#13 Nov 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Yes it does.
2. In this state they change the license from 'Bride' and 'Groom' to Party 1 and Party 2 to accommodate gays. They went from a marriage license to an all purpose form.
No, it DOESN'T!!!

So, but it still doesn't say "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" on on it, does it? Are you saying that heterosexual couples who marry now have just an ALL PURPOSE form and NOT a marriage license?

Here in California, our Marriage license used to be Party A/Party B......now we have boxes to check that say Groom, Bride or Party A on the first line and on the second line it says Groom, Bride or Party B and EVERY couple getting married gets the same Marriage license with regards to the words on the top.......so, nope....no "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" Marriage here or anywhere else!!!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#14 Nov 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Yes it does.
2. In this state they change the license from 'Bride' and 'Groom' to Party 1 and Party 2 to accommodate gays. They went from a marriage license to an all purpose form.
And they added little checkboxes for cats, dogs, and chickens !

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