Hitler the HOMOSEXUAL

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Dec 9, 2007
 
"This professor of modern history at Bremen University in Germany argues, with persuasive power, that to fully understand the Third Reich, one must realize that Hitler was homosexual and understand the homoerotic nature of the Nazi movement."
Library Journal - "Machtan is able to provide evidence for his assertions as well as a nuanced and readable study of Hitler's sexuality."

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In all probability Hitler was in fact homosexual, there is sufficient surviving evidence from the time that is really tough to ignore. The reality of the Third Reich however was that any real knowledge of this fact was suppressed with the most brutal means possible. This led to an attack on homosexuality as not being sufficiently Aryan and being labeled as a cultural sickness, which in turn brought about the deaths of nearly a quarter million gays and lesbians in the camps and prisons. All to keep one evil little man in the closet. The real lesson here is not that Hitler was gay but always remember what can happen if the homophobes gain too much power.

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As a further note in support of Rick's post, it is well known and documented that Hitler himself would have been subject to his own commands, had he not been the psychotic in charge.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
In all probability Hitler was in fact homosexual, there is sufficient surviving evidence from the time that is really tough to ignore. The reality of the Third Reich however was that any real knowledge of this fact was suppressed with the most brutal means possible. This led to an attack on homosexuality as not being sufficiently Aryan and being labeled as a cultural sickness, which in turn brought about the deaths of nearly a quarter million gays and lesbians in the camps and prisons. All to keep one evil little man in the closet. The real lesson here is not that Hitler was gay but always remember what can happen if the homophobes gain too much power.
Why were so many of the world's most famous serial killers and mass murderers homosexual?

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Dave wrote:
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Why were so many of the world's most famous serial killers and mass murderers homosexual?
I'm not a psychologist by any stretch of the imagination but it would seem to me as a layman that the self-loathing of natural orientation brought about by the often abusive attitudes of society towards that orientation can cause people not mentally able to cope with that kind of pressure to lash out to those who they've been taught to see as bad as themselves. What exacerbates the problem is that civil and political authority often actually participate in and encourage this self-loathing turned outwards or looks the other way when it is going on. In Hitler's case he surrounded himself with believers in the worst form of eugenics and racial superiority and actively bought into their justification of his own hatred of self and the result was mass murder.
In no way am I trying to justify what these people do but offer an explanation for their disturbed behavior. I'm also not attempting to blame others for causation as self-loathing and actually listening and believing in what society thinks of your natural orientation is a choice of the individual, how you respond to societal pressure is entirely up to you. If you have something more definitive to add, I'm certainly willing to listen.

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Why were so many of the world's most famous serial killers and mass murderers homosexual?
Why are so many serial killers white males?

Why are there so few in the first place. and how can such a small number signifiy anything about white males in general?

Are you saying that because most of the very very few humans on this planet who have ever been serial killers are white males, this speaks to the fact that ALL white males are somehow to blame, or carry the seed inside themselves?

What is your point?

Why are so few lesbians serial killers? Is it because we are somehow morally superior to white males?

Ahhh, the imponderable questions of life.
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Dec 10, 2007
 
Dave wrote:
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Why were so many of the world's most famous serial killers and mass murderers homosexual?
Why is the sky blue?

Why does the tide rise & fall?

Why do the stars glimmer?

Why does Wil post under hundreds of false names?

Why are so many of the world's most famous bigoted idiots and lying hypocrites pseudo-christians?

Lifes questions to ponder...
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Dec 10, 2007
 
Nelson Muntz wrote:
Yes Hitler was gay. Just more proof that gays are demented people.
And Mussolini was straight. youre point is?

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Nelson Muntz wrote:
Yes Hitler was gay. Just more proof that gays are demented people.
So is anybody who posts under the name "Nelson Muntz."

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Nelson Muntz wrote:
Yes Hitler was gay. Just more proof that gays are demented people.
If you're going to leap to that false assumption does that mean just because every other possible genocidal, homicidal madman that has ever wielded power ruthlessly in the modern era (Emperor Hirohito and PM Tojo, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, et al) have been demented heterosexuals we can make that same extrapolation that all heterosexuals are demented people? You really should do some internal editing before you publicly make such assinine comments.

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Kyle wrote:
"This professor of modern history at Bremen University in Germany argues, with persuasive power, that to fully understand the Third Reich, one must realize that Hitler was homosexual and understand the homoerotic nature of the Nazi movement."
Library Journal - "Machtan is able to provide evidence for his assertions as well as a nuanced and readable study of Hitler's sexuality."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Hitle...
Hardly true and such highly suspect and circumstantial "evidence" is hardly fact, especially in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Were there homosexuals in the early NAZI rise to power? Yes. They were however purged early on and that purge of homosexuals, continued up to the end of the war and beyond. The only group to be put back into prisons when the camps were liberated, were homosexuals.

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Kelly wrote:
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Certainly a large percent of famous serial killers were homosexuals. Here's a documented list of more than fifty more:
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
Hey Willy...wheres the list of all the HETERO serial killers? musta just slipped yalls mind huh???

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Kelly wrote:
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Certainly a large percent of famous serial killers were homosexuals. Here's a documented list of more than fifty more:
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
I've already addressed this issue above as to the reasons it might be seen that way. You really should have fully read your link before offering it as they provide their own answer as to the point you're trying to make.

"Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers."
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Dec 10, 2007
 
Dr Julius Hibbert wrote:
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Why do you think that such a large percentage of serial killers is gay Kelly?

If yallre reading the idiotic rants of this imbecile yall gotta be brought to speed with this guy.

Hes been posting the SAME refuted arguments & bible verses here for over 2 years!! talk about a obsession!!

He started out as a few names such like "Bill"/"Sopot "/"Gdansk"/ & "Wil". hes been thrown off Topix many times for his language & temper & now posts under at least 50 unregistered aliases so he wont get caught.

Hes posted stuff about his life in his past posts like:

Hes Polish

Hes African American

Hes Oriental

Hes a only child

Hes got a twin sister whos 2 years older then him

His sisters a lesbian who "turned" straight cause she was abused by her partner & its because she "chose" the gay lifestyle.

He "was" gay until he had that reparative therapy.

Etc etc etc. ALL lies!!

This should give yall a background on this obsessed lying idiot & just so yall know...he NEVER answers any questions so dont expect a answer. hell just cut & paste his usual bible verses or accuse yall of being a "homofascist" or "radical homosexual" & guilty of tearing apart the very fabric of civilization with youre "undeniably irefutibly emphatically anti-democratic & radical" opinion!!

For some laughs just go back to the beginning of the "Homosexuality Is A Abomination" thread & yall can read the progression from just "Bill" & "Sopot" to his many many many other aliases & see all the lies hes posted. after a bit yall can tell its him just by the language & termanology he uses no matter what name he posts under!!

His rantings...ZERO

His "supportive" links...ZERO

His reputation...ZERO

His credability...ZERO

His cheap entertainment value...PRICELESS!!!

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Kelly wrote:
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I presume that they hate themselves and their lifestyle choice, just as so many of the homofascists posting in this forum do. If they get really really angry, they try to project their homosexuality onto the target of their anger. That demonstrates quite a lot of self hatred.
And the source of this presumption woud be?
Keeping in mind that the last reference you cited refused to back up the contention you were implying from it you don't exactly have a great deal of credibility on the subject. As to your argument itself, if homosexuality were in fact a 'lifestyle choice' why would any of these men make the choice to begin with if the result is as you say 'self-hate'. Hell, even the argument I raised above even coming from a layman such as myself seems to have a lot more veracity than yours. Perhaps you should have asked the learned 'Doctor' what his theories were before laying out this nonsense.

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YOU gotta be kidding. More of the lies from a recognized hate group -- a federally monitored one, at that.

The line about serial killers is no different fro the line about black people used 50 years ago saying basically the same thing --smearing an entire group.

And both come from a hate group monitored by the Federal Government as fomenting domestic terrorism.

Well, if that's what we're gonna do, then I guess its Just more proof that Sissy is a member of a domestic terrorism organization, right...
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I think self hate among homosexuals is why Hitler and so many other homosexuals hurt so many people.
Oh Willy you fool!! yallre the 1 who "was" gay & had that reparative therapy crap done!!

Who has the "self-hate"????

Whatta hypocrite!!

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Ricardo wrote:
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I think self hate among homosexuals is why Hitler and so many other homosexuals hurt so many people.
LOL--"So Many"??

If you count every serial killer in recorded history--the numbers are tiny statistically.

You are actually saying that you think that a handful of murderers are somehow linked to ALL gay people? How about the majority of straight serial murderers? Do they represent all straight males?

Do you also feel that mass murdering hispanic and black gang members adequately represent the black or hispanic communities?

You live in a strange, strange world of your own creation, don't you? A bit too much Cameron, I suspect.

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Dec 10, 2007
 
Tafu wrote:
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Here's a list of over FIFTY homosexual serial killers. That's quite a lot for such a tiny fraction of the population!
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
Somebody else who didn't bother to read what they are supplying as support for their contention. The authors of this article anticipated it being misused exactly as you're doing...

"Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers."

Not even the authors of this study are willing to make the leap you just did...

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Paul wrote:
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FIFTY homosexual serial killers. That's quite a lot for such a tiny fraction of the population!
And your point is? Face it, not even the authors of the report that everyone keeps citing think that it has any statistical significance.

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