Colo. cake maker appeals order to ser...

Colo. cake maker appeals order to serve gays

There are 109 comments on the WTSP-TV Saint Petersburg story from Jan 6, 2014, titled Colo. cake maker appeals order to serve gays. In it, WTSP-TV Saint Petersburg reports that:

A conservative Christian organization is appealing a ruling against a suburban Denver baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony.

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hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#1 Jan 6, 2014
*shrug* Every one of these fights is going to be fought "to the death"; to the last court and the last possible appeal, and at the end of it, NO ONE'S mind will have changed, but what the courts enforce as law or "law" will be law (or law with quotes around it, depending on your view). Simple.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#2 Jan 6, 2014
It's never okay to discriminate against others. Of course, hypocrite Christians think they are the exception to the rule.
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Jan 6, 2014
This will be a closely watched appeal with extremely wide ranging aftereffects, even moreso than the nuns' case against Obamacare's birth control mandate.
Christina

Mesa, AZ

#4 Jan 6, 2014
Christians, killing and abusing you in god's name for 2000 years. And always butting in where they don't belong

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#5 Jan 6, 2014
In my opinion, the ONLY way this baker wins is IF SCOTUS rules that it is okay to violate State anti-discrimination policies.......we should know that by this summer as SCOTUS has already agreed to hear the appeal from the photographer from New Mexico.

If the photographer should LOSE her last chance appeal in front of SCOTUS.......every one of these pending lawsuits like the baker in Colorado, the baker in Oregon and the florist in Washington will also lose!!!
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Jan 6, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
In my opinion, the ONLY way this baker wins is IF SCOTUS rules that it is okay to violate State anti-discrimination policies....
Well of course that would be the win for them and is what they want. Is there some other outcome that anyone on either side of the issue could construe as a win for the baker and other christianists?

There's a whole influx of cases about the competing interests of religious freedom versus the rational interest in preventing discrimination.

Of course, it's really about whether this country is a theocracy. Four Justices think so in so many words, and with Kennedy you never really know.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#7 Jan 6, 2014
"forcing Americans to promote ideas against their will undermines our constitutionally protected freedom of expression."

Wrong! Many American christians had to be FORCED to promote racial integration against their will. But it was the only way to create a just and equitible society in this country. To this day they have the freedom to say whatever they want -- and they do!-- they're just prohibited by law from practicing blatant discrimination in business -- and of course their customers are allowed to express themselves too, by choosing to boycott bigoted businesses. It's a two-way street.

How many times does this principle have to be explained to them?! But then what do you expect from people who actually believe that snakes can speak and the earth can be made to stop revolving around its axis?!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#8 Jan 6, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Well of course that would be the win for them and is what they want. Is there some other outcome that anyone on either side of the issue could construe as a win for the baker and other christianists?
There's a whole influx of cases about the competing interests of religious freedom versus the rational interest in preventing discrimination.
Of course, it's really about whether this country is a theocracy. Four Justices think so in so many words, and with Kennedy you never really know.
Sure there's another outcome......they LOSE like a big dog!!!

Since: Mar 09

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#9 Jan 7, 2014

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#10 Jan 7, 2014
MLK just rolled over in his grave.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Jan 7, 2014
If a business can refuse to serve gays & lesbians, then there is no reason other businesses can't refuse to serve blacks or Jews or (gasp!) even Christians.

Overturning public accommodation laws will quickly bring back Jim Crow laws throughout the Confederacy.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#12 Jan 7, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
If a business can refuse to serve gays & lesbians, then there is no reason other businesses can't refuse to serve blacks or Jews or (gasp!) even Christians.
Overturning public accommodation laws will quickly bring back Jim Crow laws throughout the Confederacy.
I agree, which is why I believe the photographer from New Mexico will lose at SCOTUS thus sending a message to these other service related occupations like the bakers and the florists who want to discriminate because of their religious beliefs, but would scream bloody murder if they were refused service based on their chosen religious beliefs!!!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#13 Jan 7, 2014
Have these idiots ever heard of eHarmony???? These issues have been so well litigated that I doubt SCOTUS will hear the case.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Jan 7, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
Have these idiots ever heard of eHarmony???? These issues have been so well litigated that I doubt SCOTUS will hear the case.
SCOTUS already agreed to take the Elaine Photography case this term.

So we'll know by June whether Jim Crow laws will return to the Confederacy.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#15 Jan 7, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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SCOTUS already agreed to take the Elaine Photography case this term.
So we'll know by June whether Jim Crow laws will return to the Confederacy.
Not just in the South, but ALL over this Country.......it is my personal opinion that SCOTUS will NOT rule in her favor......but saying that, it wouldn't surprise me if they did allow some new exemption that has NEVER existed before.......again we will KNOW by this summer.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Jan 7, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
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Not just in the South, but ALL over this Country.......it is my personal opinion that SCOTUS will NOT rule in her favor......but saying that, it wouldn't surprise me if they did allow some new exemption that has NEVER existed before.......again we will KNOW by this summer.
I just meant the confederacy will rise again.

I really can't see the SCOTUS doing that, but Scalia & Thomas in particular ARE just that stupid.

I can guarantee you if they DO allow an exemption for religious beliefs, there will be a LOT of people who suddenly develop a strong religious belief against blacks & Mexicans & Asians and of course jews & gays etc, etc.

Of course I will suddenly develop a strong religious belief against all Christians and will therefore be fully justified in discriminating against them. I can't wait to put up my "No Chrisitans Allowed" sign.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#17 Jan 7, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I just meant the confederacy will rise again.
I really can't see the SCOTUS doing that, but Scalia & Thomas in particular ARE just that stupid.
I can guarantee you if they DO allow an exemption for religious beliefs, there will be a LOT of people who suddenly develop a strong religious belief against blacks & Mexicans & Asians and of course jews & gays etc, etc.
Of course I will suddenly develop a strong religious belief against all Christians and will therefore be fully justified in discriminating against them. I can't wait to put up my "No Chrisitans Allowed" sign.
That is EXACTLY my point and why I truly believe the photographer will lose at SCOTUS because once that form of discrimination is allowed......it MUST work both ways and the Christians will NOT like what happens to them, especially the EVANGELISTIC FUNDAMENTALIST.......oh and don't forget how the Westboro Baptist Church will scream......lol!!!!
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#18 Jan 7, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
If a business can refuse to serve gays & lesbians, then there is no reason other businesses can't refuse to serve blacks or Jews or (gasp!) even Christians.
Overturning public accommodation laws will quickly bring back Jim Crow laws throughout the Confederacy.
That's the concept you use to fight this. If the antigay business owner "wins," you start filing lawsuits (you in general, someone, whoever, with an interest in the matter) to refuse to serve others. You file them over and over and make a huge, colossal national stink out of it. You fight like *crazy* for your right to discriminate. It'll very, very quickly bring perspective.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#19 Jan 7, 2014
hi hi wrote:
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That's the concept you use to fight this. If the antigay business owner "wins," you start filing lawsuits (you in general, someone, whoever, with an interest in the matter) to refuse to serve others. You file them over and over and make a huge, colossal national stink out of it. You fight like *crazy* for your right to discriminate. It'll very, very quickly bring perspective.
You would think that hitting people over the head with discrimination would work. Unfortunately, people do not see discrimination unless they want to. Just look how many people claim that gays want special rights--like not being beat up or fired because they're gay. Look how many black people claim that gay rights are not civil rights.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#20 Jan 7, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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You would think that hitting people over the head with discrimination would work. Unfortunately, people do not see discrimination unless they want to. Just look how many people claim that gays want special rights--like not being beat up or fired because they're gay. Look how many black people claim that gay rights are not civil rights.
The bigots whine that THIER civil rights are being denied when they are criticized for doing the same thing to others. They cry like little girls about the Colorado cake maker and the Phil Robertson scandal. They think that first class citizenship applies to T-H-E-M and nobody else.

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