Ind. Bishops Issue Letter on Proposed...

Ind. Bishops Issue Letter on Proposed Amendment

There are 13 comments on the EDGE story from Dec 13, 2013, titled Ind. Bishops Issue Letter on Proposed Amendment. In it, EDGE reports that:

Bishops representing Indiana's five Roman Catholic dioceses have issued a pastoral letter in response to a proposal to add a ban on gay marriage to the state constitution, but didn't take a side.

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Christsharian Law

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Dec 13, 2013
The RCC is intrinsically morally disordered regarding gender and sexuality. I didn't read the article, but I don't believe the RCC (and this letter) hasn't taken a side. That is not credible. They may have couched their bigotry somewhat, but they've taken a side.

Perhaps the social cost for the RCC to be as stridently opposed to equal civil rights has gone up too much for them to give full vent now. That's all that could be going on here.

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#2 Dec 13, 2013
There was no link to the actual letter.

“Equality First”

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#3 Dec 13, 2013
I keep on trying to be tolerant of religious folks, but they keep making it more difficult all the time.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#4 Dec 13, 2013
The simple truth is that Roman Catholic leaders do NOT believe in, nor support, the concept of "Freedom Of Religion". And they therefore do not believe in, nor support, the First Amendment, the Bill Of Rights, nor the U.S. Constitution.

They are therefore, UN-AMERICAN.

To PROVE my point:

There are certain Protestant denominations, such as ELCA & UCC, and other non-Christian religions, that permit and bless same-gender marriages in their houses of worship. By DEMANDING that the state governments, and federal government, NOT legally recognize those same-gender marriages performed in houses of worship, with the blessings of a particular religion or Christian denomination, while at the same time DEMANDING that said governments legally recognize Roman Catholic marriages, the Roman Catholic Church is amply demonstrating that they simply do NOT believe in the concept of religious freedom. They just don't.

This IS UN-AMERICAN.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Dec 13, 2013
Jerk Alert!
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Christians manipulate people by lying to them
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Basically the bishoppers are trying to tone down their war rhetoric so the upcoming amendment will not be perceived as a battle
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This tells us they are pulling christian dirty trick #101:
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Bore the enemy with friendly discussion and then strike to win the war

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#6 Dec 13, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Jerk Alert!
.
Christians manipulate people by lying to them
.
Basically the bishoppers are trying to tone down their war rhetoric so the upcoming amendment will not be perceived as a battle
.
This tells us they are pulling christian dirty trick #101:
.
Bore the enemy with friendly discussion and then strike to win the war
<flying tackle huggles>

You UNDERSTAND !!!!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Dec 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
There was no link to the actual letter.
MARRIAGE AS COVENANT BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN
A PASTORAL STATEMENT OF THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF INDIANA

The dignity of the human person, rooted in his or her creation in the image and likeness of God, is a fundamental principle of Catholic social teaching. The Church upholds the dignity of every human person, including persons with same-sex attraction, who “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity”(Catechism of the Catholic Church,#2358).

At the same time, the Church upholds the dignity and sanctity of marriage, a natural institution established by God. By its very nature, marriage is a permanent partnership between one man and one woman ordered to the good of the couple and the procreation and education of children. It is the foundation of the family, where children are raised and nurtured, and learn values and virtues that help them to grow in maturity.

It is not within the power of either the Church or the State to redefine marriage since God is its author. Male-female complementarity is essential to marriage. Marriage is a “unique” communion of persons with the potential to bring forth human life.

With deep respect for all our brothers and sisters, we affirm the institution of marriage as the intimate communion of life and love between one man and one woman. Marriage is an intimate sharing of conjugal life and love. It involves the total gift of self in a partnership for the whole of life. Only by means
of the complementarity between a man and a woman can this total gift of self be fully given and received.

We respect the equal dignity of all persons while upholding the uniqueness of the covenant of marriage as established by our Creator. The well-being of children, of the family, and of society is closely bound to the healthy state of marriage and respect for its true nature and purposes.

We urge the people of Indiana to respect and defend the dignity and equality of all persons as well as the truth about marriage, according to God’s plan and laws, with charity toward all.

Given at the Catholic Center in Indianapolis on this, the 4th day of December, 2013.

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#8 Dec 13, 2013
Thanks Rick.

That was a statement of causus belli.

Nothing more.

The article glossed over it. Perhaps they don't speak Jesuit.

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#9 Dec 13, 2013
A declaration, really.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Dec 13, 2013
The Old Testament states in many places that the Jews of The Old Testament were polygamous. The New Testament doesn't mention polygamy. But the New Testament doesn't mention a of of things, but we draw inferences about what it doesn't say from things it does say.

The VERY FIRST Christians were Jewish converts. So doesn't it make sense to infer that the very first Christians were polygamous ?

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#11 Dec 13, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The Old Testament states in many places that the Jews of The Old Testament were polygamous. The New Testament doesn't mention polygamy. But the New Testament doesn't mention a of of things, but we draw inferences about what it doesn't say from things it does say.
The VERY FIRST Christians were Jewish converts. So doesn't it make sense to infer that the very first Christians were polygamous ?
Off topic

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#12 Dec 14, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Off topic
NO.

I was responding to Post #12 which states: "MARRIAGE AS COVENANT BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN".

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#13 Dec 14, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
NO.
I was responding to Post #12 which states: "MARRIAGE AS COVENANT BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN".
And this has to do with the bishops' pastoral letter and it's impilcations how?

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