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Anti-Gay Groups Official Launch Campaign To Remove Pro-Equality Iowa Justice

There are 23 comments on the ThinkProgress story from Aug 13, 2012, titled Anti-Gay Groups Official Launch Campaign To Remove Pro-Equality Iowa Justice. In it, ThinkProgress reports that:

When political historians chronicle the moment when American conservatives finally succeeded in draining the word "freedom" of any of its natural meaning , they will cite anti-gay activist Bob Vander Plaats' speech on Saturday announcing a multi-group effort to remove Iowa Supreme Court Justice David Wiggins from office: " This is about freedom, ... (more)

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Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Aug 13, 2012
“We see this as a freedom and constitutional issue important to all Iowans. If courts are allowed to redefine the institution of marriage, every one of the liberties we hold dear is in jeopardy.”

No they aren't, but lying about it is a good way to raise money, ain't it?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#2 Aug 13, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
“We see this as a freedom and constitutional issue important to all Iowans. If courts are allowed to redefine the institution of marriage, every one of the liberties we hold dear is in jeopardy.”
No they aren't, but lying about it is a good way to raise money, ain't it?
Yep! The stupid people can't write those contribution checks fast enough when someone starts a good old-fashioned panic among them, can they?

Iowans should be WAY more concerned about the concept of removing a supreme court judge based on his participation in one decision.

Since: Dec 11

Cedar Rapids, IA

#3 Aug 13, 2012
I've just moved to IA, met the man of my dreams, my soul mate. Can't wait to get married. This hate mongering antiquated grand dragon wanna be needs to back the fuck off.

Frankly in my time here in IA Ive come to see the people of IA as hard working, friendly, intelligent, progressive people. And I have faith that they will not crumble under the pressures of bigots like this.

People like Mr. Plaats are a dieing breed. The kind of hate, intolerance and bigotry they peddle is no longer wanted or accepted by the main stream. They are a fringe minority who harken back to the times of segregation, and the hate and intolerance of that era. We see now how history regards those who took up a stance against love, freedom and equality, perhaps Mr. Plaats needs to brush up on his history.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#4 Aug 13, 2012
I thought judges were there to make decisions. So conservatives can just remove any judge that doesn't make a ruling they agree with? They are trying to intimidate judges into being afraid to rule in favor of equality.
John E

Troy, MI

#5 Aug 13, 2012
equalityboy81 wrote:
I thought judges were there to make decisions. So conservatives can just remove any judge that doesn't make a ruling they agree with? They are trying to intimidate judges into being afraid to rule in favor of equality.
Not in Gingrich's America. If you don't like their judgments then you just get rid of them. Just wrong.
Walker-Ryan2016

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Aug 13, 2012
Good luck and Godspeed, Mr. Vander Plaats.
Every judge who foisted this un-democratic decision on the citizens without allowing them a voice at the ballot box should be shown the door.
You can count on the support of NOM in this fight to return dignity to the citizenry and the bench in the Hawkeye State.

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#7 Aug 13, 2012
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
Good luck and Godspeed, Mr. Vander Plaats.
Every judge who foisted this un-democratic decision on the citizens without allowing them a voice at the ballot box should be shown the door.
You can count on the support of NOM in this fight to return dignity to the citizenry and the bench in the Hawkeye State.
Amen

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#8 Aug 13, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
“We see this as a freedom and constitutional issue important to all Iowans. If courts are allowed to redefine the institution of marriage, every one of the liberties we hold dear is in jeopardy.”
No they aren't, but lying about it is a good way to raise money, ain't it?
You pushed it and kicked us and now we are awake and fighting back.

Judge, politician,etc that gives us the finger will be removed, voted out.

Don't tread on us.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Aug 13, 2012
Bob van der plaats is one of the proudest minions of satan I've ever seen in my life.

That they are still dragging this out and want to "punish" the judges who made a correct decision is one of the most spectacular public displays I've ever seen of their petty, small-minded, and frankly rapist attitude.

The reason they can't win with me in the realm of opinion or morality is that they do things like this. They keep doing things like this; I'll keep staunchly, staunchly ignoring *every syllable of every word* they have to say about morality.

I don't get my morals from rapists.

Never have, never will, end of discussion.

Thanks for reading.
Walker-Ryan2016

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Aug 13, 2012
luv Sarah Palin wrote:
<quoted text>
You pushed it and kicked us and now we are awake and fighting back.
Judge, politician,etc that gives us the finger will be removed, voted out.
Don't tread on us.
Judges need to be especially targeted for removal from the bench where possible when they usurp the will of the electorate, since they lend a false air of non-political 'legitimacy' and 'constitutionality' to such egregious political decisions.
If judges are going to legislate as politicians do, but without the constitutional checks and balances, then they should be gotten rid of the same way any other dirty politician is, at the polls.
May every Hawkeye remember the name "Justice" David Wiggins, and fire his @$$. Let him run for the legislature and be accountable.
Walker-Ryan2016

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Aug 13, 2012
hi hi wrote:
Bob van der plaats is one of the proudest minions of satan I've ever seen in my life.
That they are still dragging this out and want to "punish" the judges who made a correct decision is one of the most spectacular public displays I've ever seen of their petty, small-minded, and frankly rapist attitude.
The reason they can't win with me in the realm of opinion or morality is that they do things like this. They keep doing things like this; I'll keep staunchly, staunchly ignoring *every syllable of every word* they have to say about morality.
I don't get my morals from rapists.
Never have, never will, end of discussion.
Thanks for reading.
How are the voters to know this was the "correct" decision?
They were never consulted in the matter.
All they have left is to correct these judges by firing them, as were the others.
It has the added benefit of sending a message of caution to future occupants of the bench to remember which branch of government they have chosen to serve and for which purpose.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Aug 13, 2012
Just saw a response from one of the "usual suspects." Oh, my god, you people are pathological puppets who cannot keep your gaping mouths shut, can you?

Let's see what the puppet has to say.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Aug 13, 2012
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
<quoted text>How are the voters to know this was the "correct" decision?
In another thread, how were the antigay to know that the Hawaii judge's verdict in the gay marriage case was the "correct" decision?

By your logic, they can't.
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
They were never consulted in the matter.
The great myth in the culture wars is that the public has a "right" to be consulted in matters of marriage between same-sex couples. It's unfortunate that over thirty states have considered this a "right" thus far; America did not leave its marred, mangled, ugly history of prejudice behind in the 1950s (desegregation). It has now, VOILA!!, continued that history of prejudice into the twenty-first century.
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
All they have left is to correct these judges by firing them, as were the others.
Thus contradicting your first sentence, wherein you ask how they could possibly know the decision was right or wrong.
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
It has the added benefit of sending a message of caution to future occupants of the bench to remember which branch of government they have chosen to serve and for which purpose.
It has no such benefit because any judge worth his backbone will rule as he sees fit IN LAW, or do you not realize what jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping claim you just made?

You just claimed there's no such *reality* as justice; "justice" is simply what the people FORCE a judge to render, whether it's right or wrong.

Congratulations, champ.

Congratulations, champ among champs.

You. just. justified. the. holocaust. in. Nazi. Germany.
Walker-Ryan2016

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Aug 13, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
In another thread, how were the antigay to know that the Hawaii judge's verdict in the gay marriage case was the "correct" decision?
By your logic, they can't.
<quoted text>
The great myth in the culture wars is that the public has a "right" to be consulted in matters of marriage between same-sex couples. It's unfortunate that over thirty states have considered this a "right" thus far; America did not leave its marred, mangled, ugly history of prejudice behind in the 1950s (desegregation). It has now, VOILA!!, continued that history of prejudice into the twenty-first century.
<quoted text>
Thus contradicting your first sentence, wherein you ask how they could possibly know the decision was right or wrong.
<quoted text>
It has no such benefit because any judge worth his backbone will rule as he sees fit IN LAW, or do you not realize what jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping claim you just made?
You just claimed there's no such *reality* as justice; "justice" is simply what the people FORCE a judge to render, whether it's right or wrong.
Congratulations, champ.
Congratulations, champ among champs.
You. just. justified. the. holocaust. in. Nazi. Germany.
The US Constitution doesn't address the issue of marriage; the Founders left family and marriage law up to the several States.
The only state that actually has legitimate recognition of the counterfeit of homosexual "marriages" is New York state, since the decision was arrived at through the democratic process in the state legislature, then duly signed into law by Governor Cuomo.

I may not happen to personally like the outcome, but I don't have to live there. I'll concede that the decision was arrived at legitimately, because the politicians are accountable for their votes to the citizenry and they will have to live with the consequences. The politicians who voted for or against it may be rewarded or punished by their constituents.

That's how government in a free society is supposed to work, as the Founders intended.
This country is too big to be crushed and subjugated into a one-size-fits-all central dictatorship from Washington D.C.
The central government is beyond broke.
They haven't the financial means nor constitutional justification to enforce their will against an unwilling populace.
Walker-Ryan2016

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Aug 13, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
In another thread, how were the antigay to know that the Hawaii judge's verdict in the gay marriage case was the "correct" decision?
By your logic, they can't.
<quoted text>
The great myth in the culture wars is that the public has a "right" to be consulted in matters of marriage between same-sex couples. It's unfortunate that over thirty states have considered this a "right" thus far; America did not leave its marred, mangled, ugly history of prejudice behind in the 1950s (desegregation). It has now, VOILA!!, continued that history of prejudice into the twenty-first century.
<quoted text>
Thus contradicting your first sentence, wherein you ask how they could possibly know the decision was right or wrong.
<quoted text>
It has no such benefit because any judge worth his backbone will rule as he sees fit IN LAW, or do you not realize what jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping, jaw-dropping claim you just made?
You just claimed there's no such *reality* as justice; "justice" is simply what the people FORCE a judge to render, whether it's right or wrong.
Congratulations, champ.
Congratulations, champ among champs.
You. just. justified. the. holocaust. in. Nazi. Germany.
The judge in Hawaii likely just used common sense, guided by the principle of equal protection under the law for people similarly-situated. That is at essence the principles arrived at in drawing up the post-Civil War 14th Amendment in 1868.
Which specifically addressed race, not homosexual lifestyle choices and behaviors, FYI.
No one can as yet scientifically prove whether they're homosexual, or not.
Such proof would still be immaterial and irrelevant, since everyone simularly-situated already is treated equally under the laws.
But such decisions are best left to the legislatures and commonwealths of the several States, not Hamilton's crushing despotism from Washington D.C., which led directly to the unjust and fascistic War of Northern Aggression against the Confederate States of America, 1861-1865.
david traversa

Argentina

#16 Aug 13, 2012
Yet more Ugly American manouvres..
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#17 Aug 14, 2012
luv Sarah Palin wrote:
<quoted text>
You pushed it and kicked us and now we are awake and fighting back.
Judge, politician,etc that gives us the finger will be removed, voted out.
Don't tread on us.
You started the fight. We will finish it.
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#18 Aug 14, 2012
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
<quoted text>The US Constitution doesn't address the issue of marriage; the Founders left family and marriage law up to the several States.
The only state that actually has legitimate recognition of the counterfeit of homosexual "marriages" is New York state, since the decision was arrived at through the democratic process in the state legislature, then duly signed into law by Governor Cuomo.
I may not happen to personally like the outcome, but I don't have to live there. I'll concede that the decision was arrived at legitimately, because the politicians are accountable for their votes to the citizenry and they will have to live with the consequences. The politicians who voted for or against it may be rewarded or punished by their constituents.
That's how government in a free society is supposed to work, as the Founders intended.
This country is too big to be crushed and subjugated into a one-size-fits-all central dictatorship from Washington D.C.
The central government is beyond broke.
They haven't the financial means nor constitutional justification to enforce their will against an unwilling populace.
Does the concept of "judicial review" escape you?
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Aug 14, 2012
Walker-Ryan2016 wrote:
<quoted text>The judge in Hawaii likely just used common sense, guided by the principle of equal protection under the law for people similarly-situated. That is at essence the principles arrived at in drawing up the post-Civil War 14th Amendment in 1868.
Which specifically addressed race, not homosexual lifestyle choices and behaviors, FYI.
No one can as yet scientifically prove whether they're homosexual, or not.
Such proof would still be immaterial and irrelevant, since everyone simularly-situated already is treated equally under the laws.
But such decisions are best left to the legislatures and commonwealths of the several States, not Hamilton's crushing despotism from Washington D.C., which led directly to the unjust and fascistic War of Northern Aggression against the Confederate States of America, 1861-1865.
No one can prove they are homosexual?

hahahahahah
ahahahahahah
ahahahahahah
ahahahahahah

You prove it EVERY time you post, sugar, along with ample proof of your complete lack of intellect. War of Northern Aggression? hahahahahaahhahahahahaahhaahah hahaha
david traversa

Argentina

#20 Aug 14, 2012
Noct wrote:
I've just moved to IA, met the man of my dreams, my soul mate. Can't wait to get married. This hate mongering antiquated grand dragon wanna be needs to back the fuck off.
Frankly in my time here in IA Ive come to see the people of IA as hard working, friendly, intelligent, progressive people. And I have faith that they will not crumble under the pressures of bigots like this.
People like Mr. Plaats are a dieing breed. The kind of hate, intolerance and bigotry they peddle is no longer wanted or accepted by the main stream. They are a fringe minority who harken back to the times of segregation, and the hate and intolerance of that era. We see now how history regards those who took up a stance against love, freedom and equality, perhaps Mr. Plaats needs to brush up on his history.
AMEN.. History!! It takes a certain amount of brains to have such interests..

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