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Court hearing gay marriage arguments from 4 states

There are 9 comments on the Journal Gazette story from Aug 6, 2014, titled Court hearing gay marriage arguments from 4 states. In it, Journal Gazette reports that:

CINCINNATI A federal appeals court began to hear arguments Wednesday in six gay marriage fights from four states Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee in the biggest such session on the issue so far, and hundreds of supporters rallied near the courthouse.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Aug 6, 2014
Sounds like a 2-1 decision upholding state bans; based primarily on the right of voters to decide who can marry.
John S

Maggie Valley, NC

#2 Aug 6, 2014
how can people vote away human rights!!!!!! I don't like tatoos so I vote that you cannot have one???????? No way!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Aug 6, 2014
John S wrote:
how can people vote away human rights!!!!!! I don't like tatoos so I vote that you cannot have one???????? No way!
I agree it's idiotic. I was just saying that's the (flawed) logic they are likely to use IF they uphold the bans.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Aug 6, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Well, number one, if that is the way the court decides it's not necessarily a bad thing as it may cause these cases to get to SCOTUS faster than they otherwise would've.
But number two, I would say tat SCOTUS resolved this particular question, i.e. can voters decide who can marry in their state or not, in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia, when SCOTUS said you cannot do that.
True on both accounts.

Of course we'd have to wait for the SCOTUS to say that again in regards to same-sex couples marrying.

And with 5 Republican appointees on the court, who knows what wacky twisted logic they'll come up with to justify ruling in direct opposition to Loving.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Aug 6, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Also, it is abundantly clear to anyone with a smidgen of a brain that the ENTIRE REASON we are denied Equal Marriage Rights in most states is out of ONLY ANIMUS.
There is NO constitutional, logical, reasonable argument that we should not have Equal Marriage Rights in all 50 states and in all other jurisdictions of the U.S.A.
I think that the tide has turned in our favor. I hope the vast majority of federal appellate court judges, and SCOTUS justices, agree with that assessment.
Proving once again that most conservative Republicans have not even that smidgen of a brain...
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#8 Aug 6, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Proving once again that most conservative Republicans have not even that smidgen of a brain...
"if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brains." -Winston Churchill.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#10 Aug 7, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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I read an article online about an hour ago by a reporter who was in the courtroom, and his take on it was that at least one, and possibly both Republican-appointed judges would rule in our favor.
Other Republican-appointed judges have rule din our favor in these cases, so it's certainly a distinct possibility.
I think that on average, Republican judges are far more likely to rule in our favor than are Roman Catholic judges.
Remember that former Solicitor General Ted Olson has always been known as, and still is regard as, a staunch conservative, yet he has won some of our biggest legal fights for marriage equality.
And remember that in the Prop 8 case Hollingsworth v. Perry),. where we won in a 5 - 4 decision,
Republican-appointed Justices Roberts, and Scalia sided with us, while Democrat-appointed Justice Sotomayor voted against us.
The issue of marriage equality for us is not a simple Republican - Democratic argument.
Do you not find it ironic that in the ONLY marriage equality case so far ever heard by SCOTUS, that conservative Republican Scalia favored our side, and that liberal Democrat Sotomayor voted against us in the Prop 8 case ? Or will you find some weird-liberal-Democratic-alter native-universe way to spin that ?
I have always believed that a Republican of the "old school" would support our cause. It is the "religious right" and the other "far-right" that is against us. When I was young I leaned toward the Republican Party. I had no problem accepting Gay rights, with some trepidation about Marriage Equality. Once it was explained to me, I had no problem accepting it. The problem now is that the two wings of the Republican party I mentioned are so firmly in control of the party. I just wonder how long that will go on.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#11 Aug 7, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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"if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brains." -Winston Churchill.
The conservatives that Churchill was talking about bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the extreme right-wing fundie whackjobs that we're plagued with today.

He was talking about conservatives with functioning brains that consider their positions carefully and actually consider other people's feelings. There are very few of those left in the U.S. today.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#12 Aug 7, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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I read an article online about an hour ago by a reporter who was in the courtroom, and his take on it was that at least one, and possibly both Republican-appointed judges would rule in our favor.
Other Republican-appointed judges have rule din our favor in these cases, so it's certainly a distinct possibility......
I've been thinking this way, too. A TRUE conservative, the believes in TRUE Republican values would absolutely uphold the right of same-sex couples to marry, regardless of their personal opinion on the matter.

But then, we don't have very many of THOSE left in the U.S. anymore, either....

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