Scouts may lift ban on gays

Scouts may lift ban on gays

There are 596 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 29, 2013, titled Scouts may lift ban on gays. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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Papaw

Clinton, IN

#374 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>We must have very different meanings of what constitutes common sense. I've given you provable facts that have more than three decades worth of scientific study to back me up on, logic and informed reason. If that ain't common sense, I have no idea what you think you are looking for.
<quoted text>You mean anything other than empirically proven scientific research into the phenomenon. I'm sorry if fact isn't enough to convince you, but them are the facts. There's been a lot of research that's been done into what makes these people tick, too bad you have absolutely no idea whatsoever as to what it actually says and you'd just rather go with whatever that thing you call "common sense" is and be blindly wrong and in the end, aid and abet pedophiles just because you choose to have "issues" with gay folk. <quoted text>Having sex with the opposite sex, even repeatedly, isn't enough to make one heterosexual, dear. One's heterosexuality is not in their behavior, but in their self-perception and the perception of them held by others. The same is true of those of us who aren't heterosexual, our orientation is a matter of perception, not behavior. <quoted text>See above. <quoted text>That and the reality that there is a much tighter reign on opposite sex sex play for heterosexuals wanting to experiment. For those of us who aren't heterosexual, although we grow up hearing that same sex sex is bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, sick, twisted etc, but find that you're all just thinking about it, not actually watching. My first crush grew up to be straight, but he grew up knowing how to kiss from practicing with another boy.
<quoted text>But that is how they perceive themselves and how others who know them perceived them before their other activities became known. That is also what their claimed sexual histories with adults would seem to back up. You can believe that deep down that a man who would do this to a boy can't possibly be completely heterosexual, but all the available evidence tells us otherwise. We hear about these cases after the fact and wonder why nobody caught on as these men abuse dozens, hundreds of boys and scared them into silence, it's because they all too often have the perfect cover of being a fine, upstanding and straight guy. You might not believe this, but most folks can spot homosexuality in a person just by looking at them. It's actually an instinctual response based on mating hopes. Women are usually better at it than men, but just about anyone can do it with a surprising degree of accuracy. You don't even need to meet them for you to be able to spot it. I read of one experiment where people were able to tell self-identified homosexuals from heterosexuals with a higher degree of accuracy than you might expect just by looking at a picture of a person's eyes. Think about it.
YOu haven't given proven anything except to claim you have tons of "empirically" verified data. Empirically is only observational and may or may not represent the full volume of true data. Those who participate in these studies may be more inclined to be less reserved while the more reserved refrain from being put under a microscope. Those studies certainly did not emcompass all corners of the Gay world. YOu may intuitively know these things due to you preferences but that is tainted by your perception.
I have friends who happen to be Gay and yes they can spot someone who is Gay. I have friends who happen to be straight and some of them couldn't see homosexuality in Liberace. They aren't exposed to this facet of human behavior and therefore are blind to it. Many of the more masculine Gay men are quite adept at hiding their orientation. If one is observant one may suspect homosexuality in those masculine males but I doubt it's as prevalent as you say.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#375 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
If splitting hairs helps you deal with your lifestyle so be it but you're deluding yourself. Homosexual is a term used to describe a group not a causitive factor. The facts are that homosexuals are at higher risk for HIV/Aids, males in particular. You can split that apart and spit it out in pieces but it won't change the facts. HIV/Aids is a hideous life stealer. By you denying the facts you put yourself and others at risk.
No dear, the group of people most at risk of infection are women and those men who have receptive anal sex with men you know are or just really hoping not to be infected themselves, in an unsafe or completely unprotected manner. Being gay doesn't necessarily put you in that category, believe me. It is the behavior stupid, not the sex orientation of its participants. EVERYBODY needs to know that if you're going to let some guy go Greek on you, you need to take necessary precautions. It doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, bi or not yet sure and experimenting. The same things they need to know about pretty much every other widely practiced sexual acts that folk might get the opportunity to explore along their way. How to do it as safely as possible. It really doesn't matter the sex and/or sexual orientation of the participants.

Since: Jan 11

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#376 Feb 6, 2013
How can you seriously subject the future of america to the gay lifestyle? These are KIDS!!! They are not of consenting age and neither are they of the age of culpability. How can you do this to the children!?!?!?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#377 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
YOu haven't given proven anything except to claim you have tons of "empirically" verified data. Empirically is only observational and may or may not represent the full volume of true data. Those who participate in these studies may be more inclined to be less reserved while the more reserved refrain from being put under a microscope. Those studies certainly did not emcompass all corners of the Gay world. YOu may intuitively know these things due to you preferences but that is tainted by your perception.
I have friends who happen to be Gay and yes they can spot someone who is Gay. I have friends who happen to be straight and some of them couldn't see homosexuality in Liberace. They aren't exposed to this facet of human behavior and therefore are blind to it. Many of the more masculine Gay men are quite adept at hiding their orientation. If one is observant one may suspect homosexuality in those masculine males but I doubt it's as prevalent as you say.
I posted this link just a page ago.

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdf...

Take special note of the the bottom of page 11 and the top of page 12. This is just one of multiple studies to the same effect. I usually bring this one up first, because it is actually often cited by anti-gay groups claiming that gays molest children. It contains one of the scariest facts that you will ever learn about "homosexual pedophiles". It goes on to show that most "homosexual pedophiles" are in fact heterosexual (pp11-12), but they always seem to forget to mention that.

This article is from a "gay" website, but you will find it is one of the best researched you can find on the subject:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000...
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#378 Feb 6, 2013
Perceiving oneself as anything does not make it so. If you "perceive" yourself as Santa Claus you might get committed for observation. If you perceive yourself as a surgeon you may go to jail. Perception alone does not make it true, either self perception or through others. The facade of living as a hetero does not make Sandusky hetero, it only makes him a fraud.
There is no data to prove that a child molester is made rather than born this way. It may be a latent tendency or the result of a life event. It could also be both.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#379 Feb 6, 2013
ImmaGitUSucka wrote:
How can you seriously subject the future of america to the gay lifestyle? These are KIDS!!! They are not of consenting age and neither are they of the age of culpability. How can you do this to the children!?!?!?
How in the name of all that is holy and good on God's green Earth can we subject the future of America to flaming idiots like you???? For the sake of humanity man, have yourself neutered!!!! Then off to the closet with your histrionics, nobody wants to see that. You should be ashamed of yourself, cupcake. Think of the KIDS!!!!

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#380 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>How in the name of all that is holy and good on God's green Earth can we subject the future of America to flaming idiots like you???? For the sake of humanity man, have yourself neutered!!!! Then off to the closet with your histrionics, nobody wants to see that. You should be ashamed of yourself, cupcake. Think of the KIDS!!!!
"Flaming Idiots" are what we need to protect the kids from!

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#381 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>How in the name of all that is holy and good on God's green Earth can we subject the future of America to flaming idiots like you???? For the sake of humanity man, have yourself neutered!!!! Then off to the closet with your histrionics, nobody wants to see that. You should be ashamed of yourself, cupcake. Think of the KIDS!!!!
You are a little gay boy lover!
HuH

Toronto, Canada

#382 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
If splitting hairs helps you deal with your lifestyle so be it but you're deluding yourself. Homosexual is a term used to describe a group not a causitive factor. The facts are that homosexuals are at higher risk for HIV/Aids, males in particular. You can split that apart and spit it out in pieces but it won't change the facts. HIV/Aids is a hideous life stealer. By you denying the facts you put yourself and others at risk.
Just a little F.Y.I. for ya OH great ignorant one! The vast majority of AID's cases WORLD wide are of a heterosexual nature! Besides,AID's is a disease that affects all humans including women and children and crosses all boundaries of society and not just gays! Perhaps you should educate yourself a little better so that you don't keep sticking your foot in your mouth! Maybe start with these 2 links!
The origin of AID's
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-did-the-aids-epid...

Also.....
The history of AID's
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art4885...

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#383 Feb 6, 2013
HuH wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little F.Y.I. for ya OH great ignorant one! The vast majority of AID's cases WORLD wide are of a heterosexual nature! Besides,AID's is a disease that affects all humans including women and children and crosses all boundaries of society and not just gays! Perhaps you should educate yourself a little better so that you don't keep sticking your foot in your mouth! Maybe start with these 2 links!
The origin of AID's
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-did-the-aids-epid...

Also.....
The history of AID's
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art4885...
You're right, we heterosexuals just like blaming you fa&&ots for AIDS. It's more fun that way!

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#384 Feb 6, 2013
HuH wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little F.Y.I. for ya OH great ignorant one! The vast majority of AID's cases WORLD wide are of a heterosexual nature! Besides,AID's is a disease that affects all humans including women and children and crosses all boundaries of society and not just gays! Perhaps you should educate yourself a little better so that you don't keep sticking your foot in your mouth! Maybe start with these 2 links!
The origin of AID's
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-did-the-aids-epid...

Also.....
The history of AID's
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art4885...
Also, this thread is about the Boy Scouts of AMERICA! You should just keep your damn opinions to yourself, eh hoser!?!?!?!
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#385 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
YOu haven't given proven anything except to claim you have tons of "empirically" verified data. Empirically is only observational and may or may not represent the full volume of true data. Those who participate in these studies may be more inclined to be less reserved while the more reserved refrain from being put under a microscope. Those studies certainly did not emcompass all corners of the Gay world. YOu may intuitively know these things due to you preferences but that is tainted by your perception.
I have friends who happen to be Gay and yes they can spot someone who is Gay. I have friends who happen to be straight and some of them couldn't see homosexuality in Liberace. They aren't exposed to this facet of human behavior and therefore are blind to it. Many of the more masculine Gay men are quite adept at hiding their orientation. If one is observant one may suspect homosexuality in those masculine males but I doubt it's as prevalent as you say.
But he has "empirical" data...which stands in CONTRAST to the RATIONALIST view. Contrast, meaning in opposition to. Rational, meaning of sound mind, logic and reason. In other words, he's crazy, full of $hit, or both. You can't have a reasonable argument with someone who doesn't possess reason or logic.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#386 Feb 6, 2013
HuH wrote:
<quoted text>
Just a little F.Y.I. for ya OH great ignorant one! The vast majority of AID's cases WORLD wide are of a heterosexual nature! Besides,AID's is a disease that affects all humans including women and children and crosses all boundaries of society and not just gays! Perhaps you should educate yourself a little better so that you don't keep sticking your foot in your mouth! Maybe start with these 2 links!
The origin of AID's
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-did-the-aids-epid...
Also.....
The history of AID's
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art4885...
O glorious ignorant one, I've had a medical background for 30 years. Home up on your reading skills.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#387 Feb 6, 2013
ImmaGitUSucka wrote:
"Flaming Idiots" are what we need to protect the kids from!
Hello? Did you really read what you were replying to dear?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#388 Feb 6, 2013
ImmaGitUSucka wrote:
You are a little gay boy lover!
You should have quit after you had already made a complete fool of yourself with your last witless retort, this one is just plain pathetic. By the way, sweetie, I'm sorry that you just didn't get it, but you were the flaming idiot I had in mind.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#389 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>But he has "empirical" data...which stands in CONTRAST to the RATIONALIST view. Contrast, meaning in opposition to. Rational, meaning of sound mind, logic and reason. In other words, he's crazy, full of $hit, or both. You can't have a reasonable argument with someone who doesn't possess reason or logic.
No cupcake, I have facts that stand in stark contrast to your flaming ignorance on the subject. Rationalist? That's almost as sickly hilarious as calling yourself an advocate of traditional values. Mary please, you might buy your self-deceptive lie, but don't expect me to play along, or even be nice about it. You have been given fact, logic and reason with a link to one of the most comprehensive studies on the subject which you flat out ignored. You are nothing more than a closed-minded misinformed fool who isn't afraid to share your dangerous ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#390 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No cupcake, I have facts that stand in stark contrast to your flaming ignorance on the subject. Rationalist? That's almost as sickly hilarious as calling yourself an advocate of traditional values. Mary please, you might buy your self-deceptive lie, but don't expect me to play along, or even be nice about it. You have been given fact, logic and reason with a link to one of the most comprehensive studies on the subject which you flat out ignored. You are nothing more than a closed-minded misinformed fool who isn't afraid to share your dangerous ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I didn't make that up.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#391 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>You should have quit after you had already made a complete fool of yourself with your last witless retort, this one is just plain pathetic. By the way, sweetie, I'm sorry that you just didn't get it, but you were the flaming idiot I had in mind.
I am not your "dear" or "sweetie" you stupid turd burglar!!!
HuH

Toronto, Canada

#392 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
O glorious ignorant one, I've had a medical background for 30 years. Home up on your reading skills.
LoL,Sure you do! Sure you do! Then why are you so ignorant on the subject? Also ya bone head your fellow hater brought up the subject of H.I.V. and made false statements! I agree,AID's has nothing to do with the subject of the thread! Medical back ground,change a lot of bed pans do ya?
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#393 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No cupcake, I have facts that stand in stark contrast to your flaming ignorance on the subject. Rationalist? That's almost as sickly hilarious as calling yourself an advocate of traditional values. Mary please, you might buy your self-deceptive lie, but don't expect me to play along, or even be nice about it. You have been given fact, logic and reason with a link to one of the most comprehensive studies on the subject which you flat out ignored. You are nothing more than a closed-minded misinformed fool who isn't afraid to share your dangerous ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
A woman once told me that she had researched info on her pregnancy and labor and felt she could cope with the pain because she knew the technicalities of it, knew what to expect and could rationalize what she was experiencing. She felt she could manage the pain on her own because she was aware of the physical concept. Big story change when the pain actually manifested and she was surprised that she couldn’t manipulate the pain to a manageable level.
Moral of the story; just because you can pick apart a few statistics and facts doesn’t mean you can put them back together any old way you please and come out with the truth.

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