Paul Cameron's Footprint Debunked

Apr 9, 2007 | Posted by: Dyssonance | Full story: www.boxturtlebulletin.com

Another "homosexual lifespan" study has hit the news. According to a flurry of press releases making rounds, married gays in Scandinavia die 24 years younger than everyone else: Researchers Paul and Kirk ... via Boxturtlebulletin.com

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Cam

Port Chester, NY

#1 May 27, 2007
Everything people are complaining about was noted at some time in the report. This is what science is, or rather, what is should be. Work with the data you have, while noting any variables. The scientific method requires that studies be replicable. FRI has done this with gay obituaries in the U.S. and age distributions reported in sexuality studies from 1858 through 1993 (published in Omega, 1994), as well as 4 other lines of evidence published in Pyschological Reports, 1998 - 1) additional obituaries from the gay press, 2) findings from two national random-samle surveys, 3) the age distributions of registered homosexual couples in Scandanavia, and 4) the age distributions oh homosexuals and drug-abusers taking HIV tests in Colorado. As recent as '02, FRI published another study in Psychological Reports using additional obituaries from the gay press and findings from two large, nationwide random sexuality surveys - both of which were consistent with a shortened lifespan (in one of these, the CDC study, the oldest woman who reported sex with a woman in the previous 12 months was 49 yr., the oldest man who reported sex with a man in the previous 12 months was 54 yr.) No one has produced any empiracle evidence to refute their conclusion, only complaints, and I predict no one will.
Susan

AOL

#2 May 27, 2007
Here is old discredited cameron again, posting studies with major flaws, and based firmly on vapor. His results are so easy to pull apart, it's pitiful. And THEN, he goes back to his originally DEBUNKED research to bolster his new debacle.

Amazing and pathetic.

Misprepresenting his work, and his data, trying with every fiber in his being to disenfranchise his gay fellow citizens.

And just what's killing all those lesbians, Cameron? It isn't Aids. It isn't cancer. It isn't drugs. What IS the mystery disease.

Oh my, what can it be???

The world may never know ...

Fortunatly, on the truly homophopic and bigoted take him at his word. His kind will pass on, and one wonders if he can falsify and cherrypick enough data to sneak him past the pearly gates.

Kino

AOL

#3 May 27, 2007
Cam wrote:
Everything people are complaining about was noted at some time in the report. This is what science is, or rather, what is should be. Work with the data you have, while noting any variables. The scientific method requires that studies be replicable. FRI has done this with gay obituaries in the U.S. and age distributions reported in sexuality studies from 1858 through 1993 (published in Omega, 1994), as well as 4 other lines of evidence published in Pyschological Reports, 1998 - 1) additional obituaries from the gay press, 2)
findings from two national random-samle surveys, 3) the age distributions of registered homosexual couples in Scandanavia, and 4) the age distributions oh homosexuals and drug-abusers taking HIV tests in Colorado. As recent as '02, FRI published another study in Psychological Reports using additional obituaries from the gay press and findings from two large, nationwide random sexuality surveys - both of which were consistent with a shortened lifespan (in one of these, the CDC study, the oldest woman who reported sex with a woman in the previous 12 months was 49 yr., the oldest man who reported sex with a man in the previous 12 months was 54 yr.) No one has produced any empiracle evidence to refute their conclusion, only complaints, and I predict no one will.
Dr Cameron, is that you??? I know a lot of lesbians over 50, you little devil. I shall have to tell them they don't exist. The probably won't believe me, though.

What exactly is killing all the old lesbians? Ooooo, a "mystery disease". Care to share?

Maybe some of them are still firmly in the closet, stuck in the sham nmarriages that jerks like you have pushed them into. Never to come out and be free--rtrapped, and trapping their poor unloved spouses with them.

Well, lets hear it? What's killing them off?
Cam

Port Chester, NY

#4 Jun 1, 2007
No, I'm not Paul Cameron, however much I know you won't be able to handle it.

Read the "Cost of Homophobia", a book written by a Canadian acknowledging the health problems among the homosexual community. He also admits to the shorter lifespan, citing a study by Cameron (albeit he calls it "flawed") as well as another study not by FRI. He attributes this aray of health problems (smoking, STDs, etc., did you actually say it's not AIDS? true, they now live longer now with medication, but seriously) to "homophobia".

Problem is, as Cameron's recent report shows, that there are the same health problems among gays in accepting societies...
verad

United States

#5 Jun 1, 2007
Paul Cameron is a complete fraud. He has been "disowned" by the legitimate scientific community because he is passing himself off as something he isn't. Basically his "studies" don't actually involve the scientific method. Instead he uses anecdotal information and then tries to pass it on as proven fact. Truly pathetic. I am just glad that more and more people are recognizing him for what he truly is.
verad

United States

#6 Jun 1, 2007
I would like to actually see empirical evidence to prove that homosexuals have shorter lifespans and more disease. I've not heard of a legitimate study - only more of Paul Cameron's nonsense. It makes me wonder if it all just supposition without scientific support.

“yeah - I'm Gay”

Since: Mar 07

Denver

#7 Jun 1, 2007
One would think that after being renounced numerous times by legitimate scientific, medical and psychological communities for using using fraudulent methods to "prove" his claims - and having his "studies" exposed as nothing more than the twisted attempts to justify the anti Gay/Lesbian Agenda - Cameron would have enough common sense to restrain himself. Fortunately, every time he opens his mouth, more and more people recognize the true nature of Rightwing Christianity and the Anti Gay/Lesbian Agenda. Sometimes there really is a silver lining behind a cloud.

“yeah - I'm Gay”

Since: Mar 07

Denver

#8 Jun 1, 2007
Cam wrote:
No, I'm not Paul Cameron, however much I know you won't be able to handle it.
Read the "Cost of Homophobia", a book written by a Canadian acknowledging the health problems among the homosexual community. He also admits to the shorter lifespan, citing a study by Cameron (albeit he calls it "flawed") as well as another study not by FRI. He attributes this aray of health problems (smoking, STDs, etc., did you actually say it's not AIDS? true, they now live longer now with medication, but seriously) to "homophobia".
Problem is, as Cameron's recent report shows, that there are the same health problems among gays in accepting societies...
There has been no recognition given by any part of thee Canadian government or medical community to Cameron's ridiculous claims. The book to which you refer ( published in May 2003 ) points out the dangerous and harmful effects of the anti Gay/Lesbian Agenda.
Cam

Port Chester, NY

#9 Jun 17, 2007
..to which there is no direct evidence of.

“Dream a little dream with me”

Since: Dec 06

Peoria, Arizona

#11 Jun 17, 2007
NOte that Paul Cameron's FRI is a hate group.

He has never, to date, produced a study that has withstood any sort of rigorous examination, and that he intentionally gathers only data which supports his hypothesis, instead of gathering data and then developing a hyptohesis.

He doesn't do science. He does hate.
Cam

Port Chester, NY

#12 Jun 18, 2007
Look him up in PubMed. He's ranked by them in the top ten on the topic of 'homosexuality' worldwide for number of sources used.
Cam

Port Chester, NY

#13 Jun 18, 2007
..and please show how he only finds data that supports his own hypothesis, considering he recently did a study using government data.

“Dream a little dream with me”

Since: Dec 06

Peoria, Arizona

#14 Jun 18, 2007
Data which he specifically used not for the purpose of seeing what the data shows, but to estalish a basis of evidence forhis own hypothesis.

Its not science. Its hate.

He's a joke. Look at what he's cited as in PubMed. He work is cited, uniformly, as an example of what *not* to do, and as a source of the worst possible methodology.

He's cited as a joke, he's known as a joke, and he has zero credibility or respect among his one time peers.

Even Biber and Socarides have never had an entire association specifically go to the length of specifically distancing themselves from them -- and they sought similar objectives (after all, NARTH was founded thereby).

Then again, they didn't claim to be a sociologist or attempt to represent their work as sociology -- you know, basically lie.

Cameron has. To an extent great enough that an official statement -- which notes the lack of scientifc method he employs -- was made to clarify.

sorry, Cam -- I just can't believe that you are still trying to defend this guy.

THen again, he's still pretending that he actually does science, because he's still making money off of it.

Pathetic, Cam. Deeply so -- you should be ashamed, but I've learned that you'll never see that.
Phillips

Danbury, CT

#15 Jun 18, 2007
They're a non-profit organization, and ranking him top 10 wouldn't seem to be a statement by PubMed of what *not* to do.

Since: Jan 07

Ann Arbor, MI

#16 Jun 18, 2007
Phillips wrote:
They're a non-profit organization, and ranking him top 10 wouldn't seem to be a statement by PubMed of what *not* to do.
Where do they rank him in the "top ten"?

PubMed is a depository for medical publications. I'm skeptical of the notion that they even rate researchers the way you're claiming.
Phillips

Danbury, CT

#17 Jun 18, 2007
Please see my previous post.

Since: Jan 07

Ann Arbor, MI

#18 Jun 18, 2007
Phillips wrote:
Please see my previous post.
What, I'm supposed to just take your word for it?

No way. Provide us with a link to where PubMed provides ranking of researchers and places him in the top ten.

Doing a search of a repository of publications and having Paul Cameron's work show up in the first 10 found items is not at all the same thing as him being ranked in the top 10 for his performance as a researcher.

Since: Jan 07

Ann Arbor, MI

#19 Jun 18, 2007
I'm not seeing anything on the PubMed site that ranks people by the number of sources used, either.

Besides which, number of sources doesn't guarantee good research.

I think you're totally making stuff up now.
Phillips

Danbury, CT

#20 Jun 19, 2007
Nope, just do a search for him, you'll see his presence is known.
Phillips

Danbury, CT

#21 Jun 19, 2007
*in PubMed*

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