About 1000 Protest Move To Equality in Rhode Island

Jan 16, 2013 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

Roughly one thousand people flooded to Providence, Rhode Island and the Statehouse in order to attack any progress on same-sex marriage that the state may make in the near future.
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The anti-gay are getting frantic. They know their days are numbered.

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What awful reporting. You don't find out until the end that the report is about a Judiciary Committee meeting. There's no estimate of the number of supporters of equality. You'd think this was Brian Brown's propaganda piece.

It's not good if opponents vastly outnumbered supporters. Other reports suggest that the committee attendance was much more equal between sides.

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Who knows where those kooks protesting in Providence came from. Providence is an easy drive from Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Hartford, or New London.

Look at some of the videos of people exhibiting charismatic gestures: Looking up and flailing arms; dropping to knees and sobbing; speaking in tongues.

Rhode Island is a ROMAN CATHOLIC state. I do not think you can find 1000 charismatics. These people flew in from elsewhere.

The anti-equality crowd has just experienced their on "prop 8." I remember watching the GLBT reaction to Prop 8, and I knew the defeat would be short-lived. But I wondered why some of the determination hadn't been apparent BEFORE we lost. And I worried that our community would again grow complacent.

Maine, Maryland, and Washington were the same kind of shock to the anti-gay. The are now expressing their shock and outrage in tiny Rhode Island. But I've been on the front-lines of the marriage battles in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Maine. Their demonstrations will quickly weaken. The opponents just don't have the determination and stamina. If it hadn't been so close to the NOM's November massacre, I doubt their rally would have amounted to much at all.
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nhjeff wrote:
.... The are now expressing their shock and outrage in tiny Rhode Island. But I've been on the front-lines of the marriage battles in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Maine. Their demonstrations will quickly weaken. The opponents just don't have the determination and stamina. If it hadn't been so close to the NOM's November massacre, I doubt their rally would have amounted to much at all.
I suspect that the vast majority of people who are opposed to marriage equality don't really share the passion and fervor of their very vocal leaders. "Meh, gay marriage, so what? But Brian Brown and the Mags and Bryan Fischer tell me it's wrong, so I guess I'll go with that."

As they see that attitudes are changing, their less-than-ardent support grows weaker, possibly influenced by the realization that in a few years, they will look like the new Archie Bunkers of our society.

And I have no problem with that.

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To sum up the opposition in a nutshell- "it's against bible".

I thought maybe they'd at least come up with a new argument.

Have they set a date for the judiciary committee to vote yet?

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To sum up the opposition in a nutshell- "it's against bible".
I thought maybe they'd at least come up with a new argument.
Have they set a date for the judiciary committee to vote yet?
Usually, they go into executive session a week later and vote the week after that. If the votes to pass are not there, however,[or, more generally, if the votes are not there for the result that the committe chair desires), the vote will be held.

I can't find the overall legislative calendar for Rhode Island, but I think they are part-time, adjourning in June. There is probably a cross-over date in March, by which time legislation must be approved in the House to be considered by the senate (and vice versa). So we'll know how the committee votes in 2-8 weeks.

From what I've read, there's not much question how this vote will go in the House. So I anticipate a committee vote by the end of January and a floor vote before President's Day.

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I suspect that the vast majority of people who are opposed to marriage equality don't really share the passion and fervor of their very vocal leaders. "Meh, gay marriage, so what? But Brian Brown and the Mags and Bryan Fischer tell me it's wrong, so I guess I'll go with that."
As they see that attitudes are changing, their less-than-ardent support grows weaker, possibly influenced by the realization that in a few years, they will look like the new Archie Bunkers of our society.
And I have no problem with that.
Exactly. They get fired up and go to an event at the urging of their pastor. But when he asks again, they figure they've already done their part. And since protests are actually rather boring, time-consuming, and uncomfortable, they don't show up again.

Strength steadily increases on the pro-equality side.

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damn... where are the islamic terrorist bombers when you need them
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Only a thousand..? that's poor indeed..

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why can't we get a crazy like the nut who shot up a school to go here instead and spare the innocent kids
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why can't we get a crazy like the nut who shot up a school to go here instead and spare the innocent kids
Why not indeed..

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Usually, they go into executive session a week later and vote the week after that. If the votes to pass are not there, however,[or, more generally, if the votes are not there for the result that the committe chair desires), the vote will be held.
I can't find the overall legislative calendar for Rhode Island, but I think they are part-time, adjourning in June. There is probably a cross-over date in March, by which time legislation must be approved in the House to be considered by the senate (and vice versa). So we'll know how the committee votes in 2-8 weeks.
From what I've read, there's not much question how this vote will go in the House. So I anticipate a committee vote by the end of January and a floor vote before President's Day.
Found the dates; they're voting in committee next week on Tues, with a full House vote on Thursday.

I agree the House appears to be a slam dunk, with 41 co-sponsors of the bill; they only need 38 to pass it.

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FYI- the Senate judiciary committee is essentially evenly divided 5-5 with one of those opposed "wavering". I think the pressure is on Sen President Weed to allow a full Senate vote, but you never know.

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FYI- the Senate judiciary committee is essentially evenly divided 5-5 with one of those opposed "wavering". I think the pressure is on Sen President Weed to allow a full Senate vote, but you never know.
I thought Weed had already committed not to stand in the way of a vote. She didn't exactly promise to bring it to the floor, but she indicated that she would not use the power of her office to single-handedly block it.

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I thought Weed had already committed not to stand in the way of a vote. She didn't exactly promise to bring it to the floor, but she indicated that she would not use the power of her office to single-handedly block it.
She may have found a way around that commitment by appointing people to the judiciary committee which ensured it was evenly split. Presumably a 5-5 vote would just kill the bill in committee.

That said, I think a likely scenario is attaching an amendment to the bill requiring a popular vote to get the 6th vote needed to get the bill out of committee, and then the full Senate stripping that amendment on the floor.

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Are you sure there'd be enough support on the floor to strip the amendment and pass? If it passed the Senate with the amendment, the House would never agree.

I suppose that might open an opportunity for a conference committee to reconcile. But I think that scenario is far-fetched. We learned in New Hampshire how adamantly legislators feel that they are qualified to make decisions without the benefit of popular votes.

To states that don't already have an initiative process, it looks like a circus in states that do. If we introduce the popular vote for this one issue, how long will it be before the next interest group insists on riding their hobby horse to the ballot box?

It's a slippery slope, I tell you...

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Are you sure there'd be enough support on the floor to strip the amendment and pass? If it passed the Senate with the amendment, the House would never agree.
I suppose that might open an opportunity for a conference committee to reconcile. But I think that scenario is far-fetched. We learned in New Hampshire how adamantly legislators feel that they are qualified to make decisions without the benefit of popular votes.
To states that don't already have an initiative process, it looks like a circus in states that do. If we introduce the popular vote for this one issue, how long will it be before the next interest group insists on riding their hobby horse to the ballot box?
It's a slippery slope, I tell you...
I'm just saying having the amendment may be the ONLY way it gets out of committee. If that doesn't happen, it won't matter what the House would or wouldn't agree to.

Obviously I'd rather they all vote unanimously in favor and then we could all go for a ride on my unicorn........

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I'm just saying having the amendment may be the ONLY way it gets out of committee. If that doesn't happen, it won't matter what the House would or wouldn't agree to.
Obviously I'd rather they all vote unanimously in favor and then we could all go for a ride on my unicorn........
Too bad more states don't have New Hampshire's rules. Every bill gets a floor vote.

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Too bad more states don't have New Hampshire's rules. Every bill gets a floor vote.
Well that would take away their power & cronyism.......

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