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Gia

Pocono Lake, PA

#21 Jul 14, 2006
Chemug Resident wrote:
Why do >some< gay men talk differently?
Why do >some< straight men have effeminate tendandancies?
Why do >some< straight women dress masculine
Why do >some< lesbians dress masculine?
Why do >some< teenagers wear spiked and purple hair
Why do >some< people pierce their faces, mouths, etc and tattoo themselves ?
Why does it matter anyway?
Why do insecure Bigots pretend they are experts in mental diseases> >>??

Why do homophobes hate gays?~~

Why you care what gays do??
Gia

Pocono Lake, PA

#22 Jul 14, 2006
Chemug Resident wrote:
Why do >some< gay men talk differently?
Why do >some< straight men have effeminate tendandancies?
Why do >some< straight women dress masculine
Why do >some< lesbians dress masculine?
Why do >some< teenagers wear spiked and purple hair
Why do >some< people pierce their faces, mouths, etc and tattoo themselves ?
Why does it matter anyway?
he he the list can go on an don and on... Chem>>
Chemug Resident

Lakewood, NY

#23 Jul 14, 2006
um, personally I don't care what gay and lesbians do anymore than other people. I personally couldn't tell you if i have gay or lesbian neighbors. I don't check.

When I go out to hear a band and have a beer I prefer to go to a Gay friendly bar. The people there are much friendlier and they attract a better cross section of people.
Gia

Pocono Lake, PA

#24 Jul 14, 2006
Chemug Resident wrote:
um, personally I don't care what gay and lesbians do anymore than other people. I personally couldn't tell you if i have gay or lesbian neighbors. I don't check.
When I go out to hear a band and have a beer I prefer to go to a Gay friendly bar. The people there are much friendlier and they attract a better cross section of people.
I live in a party town and ( luckily)married a fun guy so we go our every so often..I recall one of the best times I had, the club we went to was amazing ...it was called GODIVA... classy , and the music was so good we danced all night long. The women were breathtakingly beautiful.
Jenson

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA

#25 Jul 14, 2006
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.

There are gay men who don't speak like girls.

Then there are gay men who do.

The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.

The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
THEAprof

Bridgeview, IL

#26 Jul 14, 2006
On what basis do you assume that all gay men talk alike? As a gay man, I bet I've been around far more gay people than you, and I have heard very few that talk "like a girl." I have heard gay men with Southern drawls, New England accents, Western twangs, and the intonations of a blue collar laborer....not a little girl among them.

The idea that one's vocal quality is the result of some unnamed "harsh mental trauma" is absurd. While I am not a medical doctor, I have an advanced degree in human communication and therefore know a thing or two about voice production. The way we sound is largely determined by physiological factors: the size and shape of the body parts involved in speech production. Of course, accent and/or dialect is generally learned, although physical factors sometimes come into play there as well.

Furthermore, legitimate research into the origins of sexual orientation has LONG ago debunked the myth that some type of "mental trauma" causes homosexuality. If you are unfamiliar with that research, then I suggest you start with the APAs' websites. If you are familiar with the research and yet still cling to this crackpot idea, then I think you are the one suffering from a "harsh mental trauma."
Jenson wrote:
Question: Why do gay people talk that way? Like a girl?
Answer: Have you ever seen a full grown woman who speaks but she has a little girls voice? When she was a little girl she suffered some kind of mental trauma. Unfortunately she never grew out of that trauma. Unfortunately some men have this problem as well. If you notice why gay men speak like woman it is because somewhere growing up they experienced some kind of harsh mental trauma. Both cases are very similar.
Jenson
Gia

Pocono Lake, PA

#27 Jul 14, 2006
Jenson wrote:
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.
There are gay men who don't speak like girls.
Then there are gay men who do.
The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.
The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
your opinion was already "noted" before and dismissed for lack of veracity.
Jenny

Florence, AL

#28 Jul 14, 2006
Jenson wrote:
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.
There are gay men who don't speak like girls.
Then there are gay men who do.
The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.
The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
Could I try to clarify some things?

First, you might notice that gay male effeminacy is very different from female femininity. They're really two different genders, and this applies to voice too. The gay men you may have heard who speak in an effeminate way don't actually speak like women, they speak like certain gay men.

For example, your stereotype, which is occasionally true, may include men who lisp. When's the last time you heard a woman lisping? Not very often.

OK, so that having been said, there are also some gay (and some straight) men who do speak "like women". The reason has nothing to do with abuse growing up. It's a variety of an intersex condition, and has to do with testosterone not getting to the vocal cords during puberty. I know several people who've had this situation. One thing testosterone does during puberty is expand the size of the voice box, leading to a greater resonance and sometimes a lower pitch. Such things can happen with women too, since everyone gets a little testosterone. Some women can also have very deep, resonant voices. Further, some people are simply born with very small voice boxes, due to prenatal hormone exposure. None of this has anything whatsoever to do with abuse.

Aside from pitch and resonance, which is largely biological, "typically" straight male and "typically" straight female American English speech patterns are really different, and are largely cultural and learned (and can be unlearned and changed). Neither of those includes the effeminate gay male speech pattern (or other patterns). But that too can be learned, unlearned and changed if so desired. That's something I had to work on myself a bit during male-to-female transition.

So voice is really complicated, involving both biology and culture, and doesn't necessarily correspond to sexual orientation. For men, the only thing that does (only sometimes) correspond to sexuality is some gay male cultural speech patterning, much like Inquisitarian described. This isn't "sounding like women", it's "sounding like effeminate gay men".

However, the biological component, as a variety of intersex condition, is sometimes correlated with other intersex conditions, including intersexed sexual identity. Among both mtf's and ftm's, there's a much lower (or higher?) percentage of straight (originally gay) people than in the general population, so somehow one might imagine some (weak) correlation with sexuality that way, or if you imagine that homosexual desire is actually a mild form of transgender experience, in the form of cross-gendered desire (cross-gendered from social expectation). But all those correlations are pretty weak, and some people might even find it offensive to suggest such things. I just don't want to say there's no biological correlation at all since there could be a very weak one. Certainly nothing upon which to base a stereotype.

Why you think abuse can change your voice is beyond me. No one who has ever paid the remotest interest to the interactions among sex, gender, and voice has ever come to that conclusion. You've pretty much pulled that out of a hat as far as I can tell.
THEAprof

Bridgeview, IL

#29 Jul 14, 2006
"Clarify" all you wish...your "big conclusion" is still completely bogus. No research supports the abuse-causes-homosexuality theory. I know I wasn't abused in any way as a child, nor were any of my gay male friends. The "big conclusion" here is that you are a crackpot.
Jenson wrote:
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.
There are gay men who don't speak like girls.
Then there are gay men who do.
The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.
The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
Inquisitarian

Ann Arbor, MI

#30 Jul 14, 2006
Jenson wrote:
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.
There are gay men who don't speak like girls.
Then there are gay men who do.
The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.
The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
Now you're just making it up as you go.

We aren't sick, and we don't have 'symptoms'.
Dave Seattle Wa

Seattle, WA

#31 Jul 14, 2006
Jenson wrote:
Question: Why do gay people talk that way? Like a girl?
Answer: Have you ever seen a full grown woman who speaks but she has a little girls voice? When she was a little girl she suffered some kind of mental trauma. Unfortunately she never grew out of that trauma. Unfortunately some men have this problem as well. If you notice why gay men speak like woman it is because somewhere growing up they experienced some kind of harsh mental trauma. Both cases are very similar.
Jenson
What about hetrosexual males who have female sounding voices, high pitched, etc?
Dave Seattle Wa

Seattle, WA

#32 Jul 14, 2006
Chemug Resident wrote:
Why do >some< gay men talk differently?
Why do >some< straight men have effeminate tendandancies?
Why do >some< straight women dress masculine
Why do >some< lesbians dress masculine?
Why do >some< teenagers wear spiked and purple hair
Why do >some< people pierce their faces, mouths, etc and tattoo themselves ?
Why does it matter anyway?
Good questions. Thank you.
Jenny

Florence, AL

#33 Jul 14, 2006
I should add a "p.s." to my post above... something I forgot to mention.

Butch masculinity for men is a highly constrained, almost straight-jacketed, kind of gender norm in many cultures. In many cultures you find in the US, men generally have very little leeway in their behaviors. The slightest deviation from manliness will get them labeled as gay, whether they are or not. This includes highly constrained speech patterns, dude.

Since gay men are, well, already gay, some of these constraints are more relaxed, and their gender expression falls into more "natural" patterns. Men not in the closet are not nearly as hyper-paranoid that if they make one false move then someone might question their manhood or -- horrors -- call them gay!

That applies to speech patterns too.

It's fun to say "fabulous". Here's an exercise: Try to use the word "fabulous" at least 20 times a day in casual conversation. You can be as butch as you want like "Hey, dude, that's a fabulous transmission you got on that Harley. Gimme one of them fabulous brewskis or I'm gonna kick your fabulous butt."

See if, by the end of the week, someone has questioned your sexual orientation. Give it a try! You know you're not gay, right? And your fabulous voice doesn't, a priori, have anything to do with desire. So this shouldn't be a threatening exercise at all! In fact if you thought it was I'd really start to wonder if you know what I mean!!
Chemug Resident

Lakewood, NY

#34 Jul 15, 2006
Jenson wrote:
Ok guys let me clarify this one more time.
There are gay men who don't speak like girls.
Then there are gay men who do.
The gay men that speak like girls seem to have a very very similar problem with those woman I described who speak as if they are little girls but they are in a grown woman's body.
The big conclusion here is that gay men become gay for different reasons that stem from abuse growing up. The symptoms come out in different ways.
Jenson, it appears your theory is your own device and explains to you why you do what you do.
Yobyag

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Jul 17, 2006
Jenny wrote:
I should add a "p.s." to my post above... something I forgot to mention.
Butch masculinity for men is a highly constrained, almost straight-jacketed, kind of gender norm in many cultures. In many cultures you find in the US, men generally have very little leeway in their behaviors. The slightest deviation from manliness will get them labeled as gay, whether they are or not. This includes highly constrained speech patterns, dude.
Since gay men are, well, already gay, some of these constraints are more relaxed, and their gender expression falls into more "natural" patterns. Men not in the closet are not nearly as hyper-paranoid that if they make one false move then someone might question their manhood or -- horrors -- call them gay!
That applies to speech patterns too.
It's fun to say "fabulous". Here's an exercise: Try to use the word "fabulous" at least 20 times a day in casual conversation. You can be as butch as you want like "Hey, dude, that's a fabulous transmission you got on that Harley. Gimme one of them fabulous brewskis or I'm gonna kick your fabulous butt."
See if, by the end of the week, someone has questioned your sexual orientation. Give it a try! You know you're not gay, right? And your fabulous voice doesn't, a priori, have anything to do with desire. So this shouldn't be a threatening exercise at all! In fact if you thought it was I'd really start to wonder if you know what I mean!!
That's a good one. But I would recommend not using the phrase "fabulous but" even when speaking of kicking it. Cause that really is just Gay.:)

Here is another one. Compliment any woman in a totally non-sexual way using proiper terminology. For example "Amy, I love that blouse you're wearing." or "I really love those shoes you're wearing."

Or try a combo. "Amy, that blouse is fabulous!"
Thomas - Amityville

Ronkonkoma, NY

#36 Jul 17, 2006
Chemug Resident wrote:
Why do >some< gay men talk differently?
Why do >some< straight men have effeminate tendandancies?
Why do >some< straight women dress masculine
Why do >some< lesbians dress masculine?
Why do >some< teenagers wear spiked and purple hair
Why do >some< people pierce their faces, mouths, etc and tattoo themselves ?
Why does it matter anyway?
Why do Straight men act Stupid?
Inquisitarian

Ann Arbor, MI

#37 Jul 17, 2006
Thomas - Amityville wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do Straight men act Stupid?
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Sinking to the level of your opponent by posting unsupportable generalizations does not help your cause. Just because you may understand that it's meant to illustrate the idiocy of such generalizations, that doesn't mean you should expect the opposition to view your statement with the same clarity of thought. They're just as likely (if not more so) to take what you've said at face value and respond in kind.

On the other hand, if you really do believe that straight men act stupid, then I think you're beyond any help that I can offer.
alysha

Dartmouth, Canada

#38 May 31, 2012
LOL at all of this
sami

Portland, OR

#39 May 17, 2013
Eagle wrote:
Really? And I thought it was because their just...gay. Gay men choose to talk in such a fashion, "look at me and listen, I'm gay."
FABULOOOOOUSS!!
Anon

Saratoga Springs, NY

#40 Jun 8, 2013
Jenson wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that there are certain gay men who speak with a feminine voice because of mental trauma they experienced growing up as a child. Also the same trauma that resulted them in being gay.
I firmly believe that being gay is the result of mental trauma growing up as a child.
Wow. Way to make being gay sound like a disease. That's very sad in your part. I don't know who you heard that from but it actually isn't true. Most homosexuals grow up in great environments and life styles so I don't want to hear about "mental trauma"

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