Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#11073 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
“Bode's law was widely accepted until Neptune was discovered in 1846 and found not to satisfy Bode's law. Simultaneously, the large number of known asteroids in the belt resulted in Ceres no longer being considered a planet at that time. Bode's law was discussed as an example of fallacious reasoning by the astronomer and logician Charles Sanders Peirce in 1898.
The discovery of Pluto in 1930 confounded the issue still further. While nowhere near its position as predicted by Bode's law, it was roughly at the position the law had predicted for Neptune. However, the subsequent discovery of the Kuiper belt, and in particular of the object Eris, which is larger than Pluto yet does not fit Bode's law, have further discredited the formula.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titius-Bode_law
It figures that an atheist would prefer a hypothesis that was discredited decades ago. You atheist bubbas are sooooooo entertaining.....
Well ... let me break out my Xylophone and see if I can locate us an extra planet or two.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#11074 May 22, 2013
Ya when he goes off on those mysticism rants all about worshipping the sun, moon, planets and stars my eyes roll back in my head.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>I prefer Bode's Law ... Pythagoras should have stuck to geometry.

" http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro30.htm&qu... ;

Godbots are blind.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#11075 May 22, 2013
He also said the end of the world would happen before children sitting at his feet grew old and died. Do you know any 2000 year old Palestinians walking around? No?

Then Jesus was observably wrong.
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>Sartre was so close; he almost nailed it.

The truth is that all men and women have the POTENTIAL to be prophets.

Most people are just lazy. They lack the curiosity and will to make the effort to "climb the mountain", i.e. evolve to higher states of consciousness. As Jesus said, "Many are called, few are chosen."

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#11076 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries”-- Nobel Laureate Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers, p. 107)
Nice quote. Though you're underestimating the scientific mind and misunderstanding 'reason'. Scientists are more than open to possibilities and with the recent (recent in terms of science time) investigations into quantum physics the links to philosophy and meta-physics are that much closer. Science is not trying to disprove it is attempting to understand the workings of life/universe. Things that have been known allegorically by mystics/theologians/philosophe rs for eons science wants to put a coherence to all that and so take it out of the veils of story-telling and into something with logic; and God isn't necessary to do that.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#11077 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Atheists are deaf. They can't hear the music.....
Not true.
It's an allegory of the big bang that God started things of with a shout. There's truth to be had in mythology (including some religion stories in that). Atheists are neither blind nor death to the wonder that is the universe, else you'd never have any atheist cosmologists, and you do have them.
I have an idea that science will find more and more in common with these types of idea; it's kinda like religion/mythology/philosophy is the idea and science makes hypothesis from them. Certainly possible (this obviously is merely personal conjecture) that civilisations previous reached a greater state of scientific knowledge than we realise and that's one reason for the uncanny similarities to be found between religious ideas and scientific. Brought down to us in such myths; but like Chinese Whispers.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#11078 May 22, 2013
Matt Road wrote:
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Nice quote. Though you're underestimating the scientific mind and misunderstanding 'reason'. Scientists are more than open to possibilities and with the recent (recent in terms of science time) investigations into quantum physics the links to philosophy and meta-physics are that much closer. Science is not trying to disprove it is attempting to understand the workings of life/universe. Things that have been known allegorically by mystics/theologians/philosophe rs for eons science wants to put a coherence to all that and so take it out of the veils of story-telling and into something with logic; and God isn't necessary to do that.
As a former atheist who discovered God through science and not religion, my understanding is that all searches for truth eventually converge regardless of the searcher or whether the truth is described mathematically or allegorically or in some other esoteric language that has not yet evolved.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#11079 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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As a former atheist who discovered God through science and not religion, my understanding is that all searches for truth eventually converge regardless of the searcher or whether the truth is described mathematically or allegorically or in some other esoteric language that has not yet evolved.
Yes, I think that too.
Pity you decided to make it God though. That, to me, is a bit like those script writers who take the easy option towards the end by having it 'then I woke up ...and it was all a dream'

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#11080 May 22, 2013
Matt Road wrote:
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Not true.
It's an allegory of the big bang that God started things of with a shout. There's truth to be had in mythology (including some religion stories in that). Atheists are neither blind nor death to the wonder that is the universe, else you'd never have any atheist cosmologists, and you do have them.
I have an idea that science will find more and more in common with these types of idea; it's kinda like religion/mythology/philosophy is the idea and science makes hypothesis from them. Certainly possible (this obviously is merely personal conjecture) that civilisations previous reached a greater state of scientific knowledge than we realise and that's one reason for the uncanny similarities to be found between religious ideas and scientific. Brought down to us in such myths; but like Chinese Whispers.
Where is it written that "God started things of with a shout"?

One of my favorite myths is an Australian aboriginal myth that was passed down from generation to generation around campfires for presumably some 50,000 years since that's when science says the aboriginals first emigrated to Australia. The "myth" simply states that the first aboriginals, two men and a women, walked to Australia. Scientists mocked and ridiculed this "myth" as impossible because it didn't plug into anything they thought they knew and what they thought they knew didn't include knowledge of plate tectonics and continental drift.... Whoops.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#11081 May 22, 2013
Matt Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I think that too.
Pity you decided to make it God though. That, to me, is a bit like those script writers who take the easy option towards the end by having it 'then I woke up ...and it was all a dream'
God is the First Cause. That's an inevitable scientific conclusion based on logic and deductive reasoning. Science does not ascribe anthropomorphic characteristics to this First Cause and I don't either.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#11082 May 22, 2013
Sorry but you can't assign deeds and attributes to a god until you have proven there is a god.
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>God is the First Cause. That's an inevitable scientific conclusion based on logic and deductive reasoning. Science does not ascribe anthropomorphic characteristics to this First Cause and I don't either.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#11083 May 22, 2013
Busted Siro!

Lol!

So by all means show a link backing any of this up.
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>Where is it written that "God started things of with a shout"?

One of my favorite myths is an Australian aboriginal myth that was passed down from generation to generation around campfires for presumably some 50,000 years since that's when science says the aboriginals first emigrated to Australia. The "myth" simply states that the first aboriginals, two men and a women, walked to Australia. Scientists mocked and ridiculed this "myth" as impossible because it didn't plug into anything they thought they knew and what they thought they knew didn't include knowledge of plate tectonics and continental drift.... Whoops.
xianity is EVIL

Walton, Canada

#11084 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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God is the First Cause. That's an inevitable scientific conclusion based on logic and deductive reasoning. Science does not ascribe anthropomorphic characteristics to this First Cause and I don't either.
so which one did it?

www.godchecker.com

or are they all inventions of primitive ancient minds?
Thinking

Poole, UK

#11085 May 22, 2013
Your mind is closed, blubber.
ezdzit wrote:
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God is the First Cause. That's an inevitable scientific conclusion based on logic and deductive reasoning. Science does not ascribe anthropomorphic characteristics to this First Cause and I don't either.

Since: May 11

Edinburgh, UK

#11086 May 22, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Sartre was so close; he almost nailed it.
The truth is that all men and women have the POTENTIAL to be prophets.
Most people are just lazy. They lack the curiosity and will to make the effort to "climb the mountain", i.e. evolve to higher states of consciousness. As Jesus said, "Many are called, few are chosen."
Sartre was smarter than all of us, eventually he would not be drawn on the subject of god, he considered it beneath him, like talking at length about used q-tips.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#11087 May 22, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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Sartre was smarter than all of us, eventually he would not be drawn on the subject of god, he considered it beneath him, like talking at length about used q-tips.
Speak for yourself.

Sartre shifted in "The Transcendence of the Ego: An Existentialist Theory of Consciousness" to a take on human identity mostly consistent with Jesus, the Galilean carpenter.

He departs from Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" to Jesus' "I am." (John 8:58)

The "thought" is form, the existence "is".

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#11088 May 22, 2013
So funny when you Christians deny your faith but then later defend it. Old man Dave humiliates himself in the same way.

How goes the diet?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Speak for yourself.

Sartre shifted in "The Transcendence of the Ego: An Existentialist Theory of Consciousness" to a take on human identity mostly consistent with Jesus, the Galilean carpenter.

He departs from Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" to Jesus' "I am." (John 8:58)

The "thought" is form, the existence "is".

Since: May 11

Edinburgh, UK

#11089 May 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Speak for yourself.
Sartre shifted in "The Transcendence of the Ego: An Existentialist Theory of Consciousness" to a take on human identity mostly consistent with Jesus, the Galilean carpenter.
He departs from Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" to Jesus' "I am." (John 8:58)
The "thought" is form, the existence "is".
...and existence EXISTS independently of THOUGHT. We do not sit around all day and consider the supply of oxygen on our planet and yet that oxygen is there, because we do not die.

Reality is not dependent upon thought and thoughts of god do not inject a god into reality, as a concept yes, as a reality, no.

Not talking about god would simply remove him/her/it as a concept, we do not know about god/gods unless we are told about them, god is an invention. Yet we breathe involuntarily without knowledge of oxygen.

When god is not talked or thought about, he simply goes to sit in the corner of the box and pets Schroedinger`s cat until he is needed.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#11091 May 23, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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...and existence EXISTS independently of THOUGHT. We do not sit around all day and consider the supply of oxygen on our planet and yet that oxygen is there, because we do not die.
Reality is not dependent upon thought and thoughts of god do not inject a god into reality, as a concept yes, as a reality, no.
Not talking about god would simply remove him/her/it as a concept, we do not know about god/gods unless we are told about them, god is an invention. Yet we breathe involuntarily without knowledge of oxygen.
When god is not talked or thought about, he simply goes to sit in the corner of the box and pets Schroedinger`s cat until he is needed.
Yet the oxygen works in us, and in all life.

God is not the invention. The invention is the description, when formed, is encapsulated as concept or form, and limited.

"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say,'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:9)

Since: May 11

Edinburgh, UK

#11092 May 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yet the oxygen works in us, and in all life.
God is not the invention. The invention is the description, when formed, is encapsulated as concept or form, and limited.
"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say,'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:9)
So god is limited by the description he is given? It`s our fault god is feeble because we don`t `big him up` enough?

He is mighty indeed alleluia. LMFAO

So many followers of Zeus these days...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#11093 May 23, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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So god is limited by the description he is given? It`s our fault god is feeble because we don`t `big him up` enough?
He is mighty indeed alleluia. LMFAO
So many followers of Zeus these days...
It is unseemly to ridicule before you grasp.

It is not god that is limited by concept; it is our awareness that is limited.

Awareness is the "living water springing up" that was offered by the Galilean carpenter to the woman at the well. It was offered on the spot - no confession, no forgiveness, no blood sacrifice.

"If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."

How it got past the editors, I do not know.



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