Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at News24.

Thinking

Bishops Stortford, UK

#10724 May 15, 2013
islamic countries may have ratified this treaty but many ignore it, blubber.

e.g. Saudi Arabia executes child criminals by waiting until they are 18.

e.g. Iran's laws take precedence over the UN treaty.
ezdzit wrote:
Currently 193 countries have ratified, accepted,
or acceded to the UN Convention on Child Rights, including every member of the United Nations.....except Somalia, and the United States.
Both Somalia and the United States have signed the document but have not ratified it. Somalia had announced in late 2009 that it would eventually do so but the US Congress refuses to ratify the CRC.
Only in a "civilized" country like the US do sick perverts like child abusers, kidnappers, molesters, rapists, and murderers serve light prison sentences, if any at all, and then freed to prey on more children.....

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10725 May 15, 2013
Those savages find ways around civilized measures.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>islamic countries may have ratified this treaty but many ignore it, blubber.

e.g. Saudi Arabia executes child criminals by waiting until they are 18.

e.g. Iran's laws take precedence over the UN treaty.
d pantz

United States

#10726 May 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Try a bit harder, little sock.
<quoted text>
k then. Everything we "know" is all the world is limited to. Evrything you don't know and can't explain we will just call "junk". Wow. You sound like your zealot counterpart.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10727 May 15, 2013
No show observable proof oh screen name changer.
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text>k then. Everything we "know" is all the world is limited to. Evrything you don't know and can't explain we will just call "junk". Wow. You sound like your zealot counterpart.
Thinking

Bishops Stortford, UK

#10728 May 15, 2013
Speak only for yourself, straw man.
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> k then. Everything we "know" is all the world is limited to. Evrything you don't know and can't explain we will just call "junk". Wow. You sound like your zealot counterpart.

Since: May 11

Nottingham, UK

#10729 May 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Loon Watch reports they traced these perverted lies about Islam on the internet back to a “Christian” zionist wacko named David Wood with “echo chamber” assistance from zionazi propagandists such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bat Ye'or, Brigitte Gabriel, Daniel Pipes, Debbie Schlussel,Walid Shoebat, Joe Kaufman, Wafa Sultan, Geert Wilders, etc.....
Duping atheist perverts like you to post these lies is easy since atheists have no morals.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/oxford-c...
Lincoln

United States

#10730 May 15, 2013
Interesting on Dawkins By Rabbi David Wolpe

History is not Dawkins field and it shows

First on the list was Richard Dawkins, known for his work in biology and for his polemics against religion. Dawkins on biology is an elegant, lucid and even enchanting explicator of science. Dawkins on religion is historically uninformed, outrageously partisan and morally obtuse. If Dawkins is indeed our best, the life of the mind is in a precarious state.
Historical Ignorance
Anyone who could write "Hitler's ideas and intentions were not self-evidently more evil than those of Caligula" is egregiously ill-informed at best. Not only are Caligula's intentions and actions a subject of historical speculation and even revision, but he did not plot to wipe out an entire people simply because they existed, or mobilize a vast military machinery to enmesh the entire world in war. I trust this is merely a misjudgment and not -- given Dawkins statement that "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" and that "Jews" are "notoriously one of the most effective political lobbies in the United States" -- indicative of any deeper prejudice.(Note to the many credentialed Prof. Dawkins, "Jews" are not a political lobby.)
Of course, this historical misfire comes from the same book, "The God Delusion," that insists, "I do not believe there is an atheist in the world who would bulldoze Mecca -- or Chartres, York Minster or Notre Dame." As Alistair McGrath points out, that would surprise anyone who is aware of the fact that the explicitly atheistic Soviet regime destroyed the vast majority of churches (and priests) between 1918-1941. The Tamil Tigers (again, atheistic, and the inventors of suicide vests) leveled countless Buddhist sites of worship. While it is true to say that atheists would not have built Notre Dame, it is not true to say none would ever destroy it.
Lincoln

United States

#10731 May 15, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you have to be reminded so often to give other writers credit when you post their work. The above is from Rabbi David Wolpe in an article that was published by the Huffington Post and by Real Clear Religion. when you fain to credit the work of others, you implicitly take credit for it yourself whether that is your intention or not. Such failure is either sloppy and stupid or dishonest.
tnx reposted at your request - Dawkins does have problems with History which seems the problem of many atheists
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#10732 May 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. Thieves, murderers, forgers, robbers also exist in 100 % of every present or past civilization., So we treat them as "Normal" and equate them with law abiding citizens?
Presence and existence of something or some trait does not mean that it becomes "natural"?
There is no specie in the world which is Homosexual. How it would survive? May be they also have some "perverts" like we have in our human society!!
02. Come and see in Saudi Arabia, if women have no rights. And in fact there are rules in Islam as to how to beat your wife!!
What are rules of Domestic violence in your society?
03. It is strange the hogwash of Modern media is to be taken as absolute truth and any thing proven by age old practices treated as brainwashing.
04. Islam does not treat women as cattle, so your accusation melts away and need no response.
05. It is strange that you thing Atheism "unites humanity< some thing which you cannot even define, how it can be a uniting force?
#1 - "There is no specie in the world which is Homosexual"

https://www.google.com/search...

Homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.

Cattle?
Wearing a portable tent with a eye porthole? Muslim men are too weak to resist females?
Stoning a teenager that fell in love?

It is the 21st-century - join it
Lincoln

United States

#10733 May 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
#1 - "There is no specie in the world which is Homosexual"
https://www.google.com/search...
Homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.
Cattle?
Wearing a portable tent with a eye porthole? Muslim men are too weak to resist females?
Stoning a teenager that fell in love?
It is the 21st-century - join it
Generalizing from incidents.

Cleveland sad events could be used to state
"Americans keep girls in slavery" as a rule, not a sad event.

Cherry picking events on your part?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#10734 May 15, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that we know they do not behave in the same way as classical states.
What I am saying is that we do not understand exactly how they behave, only that they behave differently.
When we try to describe what is going on with our current language, we get nonsensical sh!t like spawning identical universes and Horus going to lunch. We simply don't understand what is going on very clearly and to say that we are creating new universes several times a day is clearly stupid sh!t IMHO.
The problem is that at some level we *do* understand these things. Each and every prediction of quantum mechanics, no matter how 'strange', has been substantiated. In a real sense we *do* understand how quantum particles behave: they behave like interfering probability waves. This is well-understood and not even controversial any longer.

The Many Worlds description that you seem to dislike quite a bit actually follows from taking the equations we have seriously. It describes the universe as a single probability wave function that evolves through time. But what happens is that the wave function itself breaks down into components that don't interact with each other. It then happens that each component evolves via the same overall equation as the larger wave function. And *that* is what is meant by 'splitting universes'. The lack of interaction keeps them separate, which justifies the use of the word 'universe'. But there is still only *one* overall wave function.

Here is a (pretty bad analogy). Take the positive integers: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...

After one second, split them into two groups, the even and the odds:
1,3,5,7,9,....

2,4,6,8,.....

Now, make a choice of 'first thing', either 1 or 2. Let's say we pick 1. THrow it out of that sequences

Then, divide the odds into two groups, taking every other number in the group chosen:

3,7,11,15,19....

5,9,13,17,21,...

Now take the first out of one of these and throw it out, say we pick 5. Now divide that list into two:

9,17,25,33,...

13,21,29,27,...

The point? We can keep going like this forever. The original sequence 'divides' into two subsequences at each choice. Are all those other sequences there? Sure, yes, whatever.

In the same way, whenever a quantum observation is made, the list of future possibilities is restricted. This can be *interpreted* as a splitting off of other universes. But is is less interesting than it sounds.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10735 May 15, 2013
You really need to work on your English. Certainly English is not your first language right?
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Generalizing from incidents.

Cleveland sad events could be used to state
"Americans keep girls in slavery" as a rule, not a sad event.

Cherry picking events on your part?
Lincoln

United States

#10736 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You really need to work on your English. Certainly English is not your first language right?
<quoted text>
The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.

The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.

"Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10737 May 15, 2013
Provide a link to the works of others that you are stealing this from please.

You were already warned about this from NS.

Provide the link please and then I can factually destroy it. Also what is your native language as it can't be English.

Your inability to comprehend English is what makes you sound so ignorant when defending your Christian faith on here.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.

The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.

"Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.
Lincoln

United States

#10738 May 15, 2013
the delusion of being "the atheist moderator" is revealing.

In East Germany people attempting to leave the atheist state were shot in the back. This included men, women, and children.
Further information regarding atheist East Germany may be found in histories of Germany.

atheist denial of history is amusing.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#10739 May 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.
The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.
"Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.
Hmmmmm. Sounds reasonable. The main reason I didn't like the Soviets was that they were our primary partner in the nuclear annihilation dance-a-thon. Together we wasted a lot of time and treasure in MADness. We could have been all over the Solar System by now, I mean as colonists, had we not wasted all those resources in our stupid little game.

Our swords were being rattled by god-fearing christians and theirs by bible-burning atheists. What's the difference? The results are the same. Besides, we have new enemies now that make the Commies look all reasonable. If the Jihadists get nukes, I doubt there'll be any SALT talks or 'detente' being established.

The Soviet government saw religion as an impediment to social and scientific progress, as do I, as do many of us. It's clear that religion is doing NOTHING to ease tensions or promote the Holy Grail of "World Peace". Quite the opposite. The point is ... we'd be better off without it (religion that is). You may consider that an 'arguable point'... in fact, I'm sure you do. It has already been pointed out that Mankind has had religion, in one form or another, since the 'Dawn of Time' and look where that's gotten us.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#10740 May 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
the delusion of being "the atheist moderator" is revealing.
In East Germany people attempting to leave the atheist state were shot in the back. This included men, women, and children.
Further information regarding atheist East Germany may be found in histories of Germany.
atheist denial of history is amusing.
Who is denying history? Who divided that utterly defeated country up? Who prospered during the Cold War and who suffered? You live in a Glass House and you're throwing stones. Smart.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10741 May 15, 2013
It is revealing how? This is once again a failure to express a point in proper English on your part.

I know you lack proper English comprehension skills but let's try this anyways.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

East Germany is historically 90% Protestant and the church remained strong even throughout the time of Stalin. They even cordially invited more Catholics to move there.

Any friction was caused when certain churches would not go along with political leaders, not because of their faith.

90% Protestant historically.

Do you deny history or just not comprehend it?
Lincoln wrote:
the delusion of being "the atheist moderator" is revealing.

In East Germany people attempting to leave the atheist state were shot in the back. This included men, women, and children.
Further information regarding atheist East Germany may be found in histories of Germany.

atheist denial of history is amusing.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#10742 May 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Who says God does not talk "back and forth" with the prophets? The prophet's do communicate with God many times.
Depending upon the needs of the people, God does send His revelation to His chosen prophets, many times during their tenure as a prophet.
Calling Prophets as Charlatans means that you know nothing about the office of prophet. I do not know any prophet built their "empire" on this earth.
They taught their followers all good morals and how to pass the test of this life.
What morality we see in the world is only because of the efforts of the prophets.
02. I do not see any prophet of God "begging in the street, did you"?
Some of them worked also to earn their lawful living.
But the work to guide humans and bring them closer to their Creator is much more important than working in the field.
And for that reason why you pay so much to your Presidents and Prime Ministers and other politicians, what they do really?
03. Your grudge against prophets seem to be personal and unreasonable and may be it is your envy that how come they got Billions of followers and you could not gain any one.
Try, Try My friend , may be you get some one who will follow to the end of the world!!
Wow. Prophet's really need people like you to 'profit'. LOL

There's been a lot of quotes passed back and forth ... the "Mankind will not know peace until the last king is strangled in the entrails of the last priest" (from Diderot) has got to be my favorite. I use politicians and prophets interchangeably to keep it contemporary.
Thinking

Roydon, UK

#10743 May 15, 2013
No it wasn't.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.
The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.
"Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.

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