Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

[Ooogah Boogah]

Fitz wrote:

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Your failing by your own impossible standards that are simple knee-jerk responses for a lazy mind. The Gospels according to Luke, John, Mark, ect dont prove that those people exist..
Your flailing at the agi-prop agenda of pretending Jesus is not a well established historical figure by serious minds and nopt anti-religious bigots who have to make up arguments because they cant argue real philosophy of religion, physics, science, theology and the like.

No they don't because they weren't written by those people. They were written by people recording the oral traditions of nearly a century later. It was customary to record these oral traditions "as if" the person attributed was actually writing them. They weren't. The gospels are only hearsay recorded generations later, even after the Pauline letters started appearing, they are not eyewitness accounts!

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
http://www.deusdiapente.net/science/gospels.p...

[Fitz]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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No they don't because they weren't written by those people. They were written by people recording the oral traditions of nearly a century later. It was customary to record these oral traditions "as if" the person attributed was actually writing them. They weren't. The gospels are only hearsay recorded generations later, even after the Pauline letters started appearing, they are not eyewitness accounts!
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
http://www.deusdiapente.net/science/gospels.p...

You keep failing your own standard.

Remeber I aleady know about the compilation of scripture and what predates what..I aleady know that hearsay (a legal concept) dosent apply to the oral traditions and first person accounts that contemporary scholars consider valid sourcing of eye witness testimony.

It is you who have tried to develop a standard of proof that demoands "evidence" outide the writting themselves.

By your own standard you cant prove these people even exist or ever existed.

[Fitz]

Aliroger1 wrote:

THE WORKS PRESENTED AS THAT OF PLATO, ARISTOTLE, SOCRATES ETC STAND ON THEIR OWN
The ideas presented in the works are not dependent on who wrote them. There are no claims of magic in the works to make them relevant and valuable, requiring the reader to believe in a deity. Whether the writer of great works from the time of Pagan Europe is a historical figure or not is irrelevant because the exercise is intellectual and does not demand one make a leap of faith and spiritual belief. Theological works require one suspend one's intellect and engage in an act of faith. For example, reading a comic book on Mickey Mouse does not require anyone to believe in a talking mouse who is morphed into a human-like rodent. Snow White does not require one believe that the events described actually happened. One knows it is fiction and take pleasure in the ideas. Disney is not god. In theology, Disney is god!

Wow ...someone has never read the works of Plato, Socrates and Arostotle. Multiple theological claims are made as well as multiple claims about the nature of the physical as well as metaphysical universe.

If these "stand on their own" then so does scripture.

[Fitz]

Aliroger1 wrote:

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GANDHI, MARTIN LUTHER KING AND ALL THE POPES ARE IDIOTS
Gandhi slept with his nubile niece to prove he could eradicate all erotic feelings and eliminate his libido---the poor fool was devastated to wake up with a woodie--no mention of how the poor young teen niece felt about sleeping with her 70 yo uncle and waking up to him with a woodie!!! Other notable nonsense with Gandhi was his commendation for a great drink he often imbibed---cow dung mixed in yoghurt!!! LOL
Martin Luther King was a politician who used religion. Everything great about MLK is connected with his politics, not his religious bullsht.
The popes are leaders of the largest pedophile organization in the history of the world!!! Why you think pedophiles are great people is very telling!!!
Run along! Scram! And take the other religious whackos with you!!! The insane asylums are full of Jesuses!!!

Gosh...the people you think are "idiots" did what?

Gahdi - Freed an entire civilization from colonial domination without firing a shot

MLK.- A devoutly religious man as demonstrated by his church based non-violant protest movement, his constant use of Biblical imagerey in scriptural passages throughout his speeches and sermons, and his writtings such as "Letters from a Birmingham Jail"
Ended racial segregation without firing a shot.

Pope John Paul the Second - Brought down Communism and the Societ Empire without firing a shot.

To the atheist mind these are "idiots"

[Jupiter]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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"Twas the night before Christmas" proves Clement Clarke Moore existed. It does not prove Santa Claus existed.
"The Buy Bull's Pauline letters" proves Saul/Paul of Tarsus existed. It does not prove Jesus Christ existed.
Try to pay attention for crying out loud!!

Note to Fitz and Ooogah Boogah: The story about the night before Christmas is called "A Visit from Saint Nicholas." (I know, I'm a stickler. Just sayin'.)

[emperorjohn]

Fitz wrote:

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This kind of open and obvious agi-prop reveals the mindset of your average "atheist"..
Real atheists dont argue Jesus as a historical figure, they dont dismiss whole swaths of the population past & present inlcuding some of its greatest and most prolific artists, writers, academics, scientists, lawyers, doctors,(on ad in finitum) as "weak-minded, gullible and mentally ill" -(like Ganhi, Martin Luther King and Pope John Paul the II ...huh)
Nor do they dismiss the most widely read, published and influential book (by far) in western history to be based on "fairy tales".
Clearly this is anti-religious bigotry at its most obvious. It is fodder for little minds that use these straw-man arguments and non starters as a way to engrandize there ego's by hoisting themselves over such large numbers of their fellow men (past & present).
Its all rather transparent... Their are serious minded atheists in the world who have a strong case for the (non) exsitance of God as well as compelling cases to be made against religion as well as Christianity in particular... they just apparently are not making them on this particular thread (with one exception)

Not all of us atheists/agnostics believe that Jesus is fictional. I believe that he was indeed a real person who had the delusion that he was the son of God. But there is no strong evidence of his existence.

[albtraum]

Thinking wrote:

Nicht gross. Klein!
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Große Muskeln, kleine Hoden. Ein lauterer Handel? Ich denke nicht.

[albtraum]

Langoliers wrote:

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Nope, I let you guys be apes just like you claim. I'm human your ape I have creator you were bore by a baboon.
I get unalienable rights you don't.
Fairly simple.
LOL. This really bugging you guys.

Again, you reduce it to an overly simplistic statement that is blatently incorrect. You repeat it like a parrot despite all attempts to explain, ergo you are being deliberately obtuse methinks.

Your problem, not mine.

[Reason Personified]

Langoliers wrote:

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Nope, I will let you guys be apes, just like you claim. I'm human and you are apes. I have a creator and you were borne by a baboon.
I get unalienable rights, you don't.
Fairly simple.
LOL. This is really bugging you guys.

Here you "scared of being an ape", ape boy, it's fixed. Small differences, but differences, nonetheless.

Now let us see your superiority "god spawn" strut. Pay no attention to the "better educated than you" primates around you.

And btw, when you claim to be human, you are claiming to be both ape and primate. That is what "human" is.

How much does it hurt, that your upper hand, is only in your mind?

[MUQ]

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Here you "scared of being an ape", ape boy, it's fixed. Small differences, but differences, nonetheless.
Now let us see your superiority "god spawn" strut. Pay no attention to the "better educated than you" primates around you.
And btw, when you claim to be human, you are claiming to be both ape and primate. That is what "human" is.
How much does it hurt, that your upper hand, is only in your mind?

At least you do not show any "human like qualities" I mean when reason and logic are concerned.

I think some links are missing in your evolution tree, may be you should go to jungles and find your "closest related" are or ape like creature or some one a cross between ape and humans.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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At least you do not show any "human like qualities" I mean when reason and logic are concerned.
I think some links are missing in your evolution tree, may be you should go to jungles and find your "closest related" are or ape like creature or some one a cross between ape and humans.

Being a primate scares you, doesn't it? Care to claim that you are not?
It is easy to prove, yet I would put $100,000 cash on the line, saying you would not have your blood and DNA mapped to prove otherwise. Get used to it ape-boy, human is ape, human is primate.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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At least you do not show any "human like qualities" I mean when reason and logic are concerned.
I think some links are missing in your evolution tree, may be you should go to jungles and find your "closest related" are or ape like creature or some one a cross between ape and humans.

... and btw, that was but a mediocre "god spawn" strut. Surely you can do better?

[-Skeptic-]

Fitz wrote:

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It is you who have tried to develop a standard of proof that demoands "evidence" outide the writting themselves.

Jackass flailing with no proof of god.

[Aliroger1]

Fitz wrote:

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Gosh...the people you think are "idiots" did what?
Gahdi - Freed an entire civilization from colonial domination without firing a shot
MLK.- A devoutly religious man as demonstrated by his church based non-violant protest movement, his constant use of Biblical imagerey in scriptural passages throughout his speeches and sermons, and his writtings such as "Letters from a Birmingham Jail"
Ended racial segregation without firing a shot.
Pope John Paul the Second - Brought down Communism and the Societ Empire without firing a shot.
To the atheist mind these are "idiots"

LOLLL Where did you get your doctorate in history? Ask for your money back because you got a miseducation of the worst kind!

So, according to you, Gandhiji freed a nation without firing a shot? What role did Dr Ambedkar play? Or Jawarhalal Nehru, or Azad, or Patel, or the millions and millions of people who marched and protested? Moreover, why does modern India celebrate the rebel leader, Subash Chandra Bhose and the Indian National Army as great heroes in the liberation of India??? The British got out of India for the same reason the Dutch cut and ran from Indonesia, and the French pulled out of Viet Nam and the Portuguese pulled out of Goa, Mozambique and Angola, and the British pulled out of America---they lost the struggle to hang on and faced a bloodbath!!!

Why did the Soviet Union collapse? Because of the Leader of the Pedophiles? Nope! Reagan engaged in an arms race and the Warsaw Pact had their troops back broken in Afghanistan against a ragtag pick-up team of irregulars.

As for the Civil Rights movement, MLK was one of many leaders, not least of which was Malcolm X, the leadership of the Black Panthers, ordinary people who rose to the occasion, like Rosa Parks, and the Black Consciousness Movement, which had roots in actions of people like Paul Robeson, the singer, Jesse Owens, the athlete, and a whole host of other people, including the Nation of Islam and other movements, like the NAACP. The Soviets were using the racial segregation in America to batter America on the world stage and it became politically necessary for America to act to save American interests in Africa and Asia and Europe where American leadership was being undermined by rednecks in America. The Civil Rights movement was underway and MLK latched onto it--he did not invent it and at the time of MLK's death, segregation had not yet ended in America!

Your "great man" approach to history has been debunked and discarded by professional historians over half a century ago in America itself, and much longer in the rest of the world!!

Run along you idiot! You are a servant of Satan!!!

[Aliroger1]

Fitz wrote:

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Wow ...someone has never read the works of Plato, Socrates and Arostotle. Multiple theological claims are made as well as multiple claims about the nature of the physical as well as metaphysical universe.
If these "stand on their own" then so does scripture.

State the theological claims contained in the work of Plato!

[Thinking]

Das stimmt.

albtraum wrote:

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Große Muskeln, kleine Hoden. Ein lauterer Handel? Ich denke nicht.

[Lincoln]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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"Twas the night before Christmas" proves Clement Clarke Moore existed. It does not prove Santa Claus existed.
"The Buy Bull's Pauline letters" proves Saul/Paul of Tarsus existed. It does not prove Jesus Christ existed.
Try to pay attention for crying out loud!!

Your collected posts indicate that you feel things deeply in a manner not in connection with reality but expressed with some
desire
to
be
important?

[Ooogah Boogah]

Fitz wrote:

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You keep failing your own standard.
Remeber I aleady know about the compilation of scripture and what predates what..I aleady know that hearsay (a legal concept) dosent apply to the oral traditions and first person accounts that contemporary scholars consider valid sourcing of eye witness testimony.
It is you who have tried to develop a standard of proof that demoands "evidence" outide the writting themselves.
By your own standard you cant prove these people even exist or ever existed.

Wrong! The concept of hearsay and legend absolutely does apply to "oral tradition" because that is exactly what it is.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Fitz wrote:

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Wow ...someone has never read the works of Plato, Socrates and Arostotle. Multiple theological claims are made as well as multiple claims about the nature of the physical as well as metaphysical universe.
If these "stand on their own" then so does scripture.

Incorrect!

Water is wet is an idea that stands on its own.

Flying pigs is an idea that does not stand on it's own.

The ideas of Plato, Socrates and Aristotle stand on their own.

The ideas of "scripture" like the walking on water guy and the magic sky daddy do not stand on their own.

Get it? Bet not!!

[Fitz]

Aliroger1 wrote:

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LOLLL Where did you get your doctorate in history? Ask for your money back because you got a miseducation of the worst kind!
So, according to you, Gandhiji freed a nation without firing a shot? What role did Dr Ambedkar play? Or Jawarhalal Nehru, or Azad, or Patel, or the millions and millions of people who marched and protested? Moreover, why does modern India celebrate the rebel leader, Subash Chandra Bhose and the Indian National Army as great heroes in the liberation of India??? The British got out of India for the same reason the Dutch cut and ran from Indonesia, and the French pulled out of Viet Nam and the Portuguese pulled out of Goa, Mozambique and Angola, and the British pulled out of America---they lost the struggle to hang on and faced a bloodbath!!!
Why did the Soviet Union collapse? Because of the Leader of the Pedophiles? Nope! Reagan engaged in an arms race and the Warsaw Pact had their troops back broken in Afghanistan against a ragtag pick-up team of irregulars.
As for the Civil Rights movement, MLK was one of many leaders, not least of which was Malcolm X, the leadership of the Black Panthers, ordinary people who rose to the occasion, like Rosa Parks, and the Black Consciousness Movement, which had roots in actions of people like Paul Robeson, the singer, Jesse Owens, the athlete, and a whole host of other people, including the Nation of Islam and other movements, like the NAACP. The Soviets were using the racial segregation in America to batter America on the world stage and it became politically necessary for America to act to save American interests in Africa and Asia and Europe where American leadership was being undermined by rednecks in America. The Civil Rights movement was underway and MLK latched onto it--he did not invent it and at the time of MLK's death, segregation had not yet ended in America!
Your "great man" approach to history has been debunked and discarded by professional historians over half a century ago in America itself, and much longer in the rest of the world!!
Run along you idiot! You are a servant of Satan!!!

Gosh, other people had a hand in history other than the ddeply religious leaders typically given the lions share of credit!! Who new??? And this repudiates my point how???

I guess when you loose an argument its nice to switch topics.

And how can I serve someone who you dont believe even exists?