Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.
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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#1 Aug 28, 2012
Pretty good article.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#2 Aug 28, 2012
So, in a word "enlightenment" is the reason?

Probably true enough. In British history the 'Age of Enthusiasm" (English civil war and the brief republic, or interegnum) was followed by the 'Age of Reason'. Arguably, the Scottish Enlightenment was a natural sequitur from the Age of Reason. Later, there seemed to be a reaction against the 'worship of reason' which appeared to some to have become a new religion in itself.(Shades of some religionists' perception of atheism?)

Unsubstantiated belief and acts of faith are intellectually dubious or simply wrong. One should only believe anything as far as reason and evidence support the belief. Even today many people doubt and reject that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#3 Aug 28, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Pretty good article.
And some good links in the footnotes.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#4 Aug 28, 2012
Yes. I'd like to get Hiding's take on it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#5 Aug 28, 2012
People pray when they don't understand the world, and when they are fearful of it for lack of control.

A partial list of reasons for why atheism does better in first world countries than third world countries drawn from the links in footnote 1 include:

First world citizens are better educated, more intelligent, have better access to information and the media, are healthier, more urbanized, and are more socially and economically secure, all of which undermine religiosity by increasing ones sense of understanding, safety, independence and control.

As an example, from http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human... :

Highly religious countries (Barber, 2012):
•Are poorer.
•They are less urbanized.
•Have lower levels of education.
•They have less exposure to electronic media that increase intelligence (Barber, 2006).
•Experience a heavier load of infectious diseases that impair brain function.
•Suffer more from low birth weights.
Have worse child nutrition.
Do a poor job of controlling environmental pollutants such as lead that reduce IQ.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#6 Aug 28, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Yes. I'd like to get Hiding's take on it.
Yaaay! Thank you for your kind words - and IANS for bringing me here.

Yeah, the article is basically saying "thanks to a wider access of education, entertainment, health medicine and social connections, religion is dying." I'd agree with that.

Strong belief, as denoted by church attendance and paying attention to religious leaders, is at a historical low and continues to drop. Even those who "believe in God" and are self-professed Christians don't know the Bible, don't attend church, don't think about God much. I see this every day in my classes. Since I teach evolution, people are compelled to write to me "I believe in God, but..." I get these letters all the time instead of the assignments they are supposed to write - telling you the low quality of k-12 education in America, sorry - but few of them are strong believers. Maybe one in every class of 40.

Subsequently I get a few letters - again, only one or two - of people who write "I can't believe someone is talking about their religion again. Don't they understand anything about science?" or other letters disparaging the poor quality of thinking that Creationists have.

So it's moving away from strongly religious for a no. of reasons. America is a nation that draws strength in individuality and there's been a movement toward personalizing religion - each finds their own God. Couple that with the massive amount of easily accessible information - science has crushed all that religion once held on high. Only an uneducated person could be a Bible literalist in today's world. All but the deceitful religious leaders have admitted the world is old, evolution occurs, we don't live in an earth or heliocentric universe - and they've basically had to move to esoteric spiritualism.

The new ways in which we create community without religion make religion redundant. Religion no longer explains the universe around us (or does so with such ridiculous absurdity, it's laughably undermining itself). And I think that's the crux of the matter. Religion isn't necessary if we can form larger than kin-based social bonds through our education, entertainment, economies, treaties, societal laws and so on.

But it will remain a fascinating and rich historical narrative, so that children can ask their parents "why would anyone believe the world was 6000 years old? why would anyone believe in hell?"

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#7 Aug 28, 2012
And in this same vein, we now have Bill Nye going viral in a video telling parents to stop teaching creationism to their children --

" http://www.topix.com/religion/atheism/2012/08... ;

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#8 Aug 29, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Yaaay! Thank you for your kind words - and IANS for bringing me here.
Yeah, the article is basically saying "thanks to a wider access of education, entertainment, health medicine and social connections, religion is dying." I'd agree with that.
Strong belief, as denoted by church attendance and paying attention to religious leaders, is at a historical low and continues to drop. Even those who "believe in God" and are self-professed Christians don't know the Bible, don't attend church, don't think about God much. I see this every day in my classes. Since I teach evolution, people are compelled to write to me "I believe in God, but..." I get these letters all the time instead of the assignments they are supposed to write - telling you the low quality of k-12 education in America, sorry - but few of them are strong believers. Maybe one in every class of 40.
Subsequently I get a few letters - again, only one or two - of people who write "I can't believe someone is talking about their religion again. Don't they understand anything about science?" or other letters disparaging the poor quality of thinking that Creationists have.
So it's moving away from strongly religious for a no. of reasons. America is a nation that draws strength in individuality and there's been a movement toward personalizing religion - each finds their own God. Couple that with the massive amount of easily accessible information - science has crushed all that religion once held on high. Only an uneducated person could be a Bible literalist in today's world. All but the deceitful religious leaders have admitted the world is old, evolution occurs, we don't live in an earth or heliocentric universe - and they've basically had to move to esoteric spiritualism.
The new ways in which we create community without religion make religion redundant. Religion no longer explains the universe around us (or does so with such ridiculous absurdity, it's laughably undermining itself). And I think that's the crux of the matter. Religion isn't necessary if we can form larger than kin-based social bonds through our education, entertainment, economies, treaties, societal laws and so on.
But it will remain a fascinating and rich historical narrative, so that children can ask their parents "why would anyone believe the world was 6000 years old? why would anyone believe in hell?"
Good post! Virtually every purpose formerly served by religion is better served by alternatives. Science explains the world better, and humanism offers a better ethical system, and better political system, and a better social system. We don't need religion for that.

Those are the constructive purposes religion served. It also has a destructive side that we are overcoming in this information age. People appear to be rejecting the threats of hellfire, and with it, the scapegoating of gays and atheists, and the antiscientism of Christianity, each based on belief in the Christian god.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#9 Aug 29, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post! Virtually every purpose formerly served by religion is better served by alternatives. Science explains the world better, and humanism offers a better ethical system, and better political system, and a better social system. We don't need religion for that.
Those are the constructive purposes religion served. It also has a destructive side that we are overcoming in this information age. People appear to be rejecting the threats of hellfire, and with it, the scapegoating of gays and atheists, and the antiscientism of Christianity, each based on belief in the Christian god.
Thank you, sir.

The only part of life religion yet has some voice in is death. Science does not speak to death - or "after death." Yet people want to know what happens to their consciousness.

Hence every single contemporary - and incorrect - explanation about why religion exists will tell you "people invented religion to explain what they could not. Especially what happens to us when we die."

Well, that's utter garbage. That's just our culture trying to present its way of understanding reality onto all previous cultures - and previous humans who were not as evolutionarily derived as we are (by definition, since we come latter :)).

I would argue that religion has found the one aspect of reality that science does not speak to - what happens to consciousness after death? Well...nothing. It ceases with cellular death.

Not a favorable answer in a nation that fears death and hides it at every given opportunity.

Death used to be part of every household. When the elderly were passing on, the duty of female children was to look after them up until the point of death. Every household eventually had an elderly person in a room, dying - and being cared for by the living. People used to watch their parents die in their own homes; grandchildren used to ease their passing.

No more. Now we ship them off to some place of misery. Death is a fear, now, youth is the only thing of importance (you can see this, incidentally, in movies: the age of heroes/actors continues to decrease).

So I see religion's last hold as a product of our society's fear (and it's partially based on the capitalism of youth culture).

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10 Aug 29, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Pretty good article.
Loved this line:
In United Kingdom "No Religion" has overtaken "Christians" in a 2007 poll.

Too bad barefoot's not around.
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#11 Aug 29, 2012
I understand the world because of the bible.. other christians don't..

the reason your love one died is because you spoke to someone else whos loved one died..

or because you will speak to someone who's loved one died..

and for speaking about this topic my loved one may die ..

and for mentioning that I was speaking about this topic my loved one might survive..

because the consciousness of a non believer is changing reality to fit their beliefs..

because consciousness is shaping it.. but not like in a telekinetic kind of way..

in a reaction to your thoughts kind of way.. in that you have to pick and choose.. the words.. directed at whom.. or even received by whom..

and because there are a collection of people in the world who explore numbers and statistics..

someone will go down so that these can remain valid..

in my opinion!!

hey but if the truth was that you just die and nothing happens I would not fear that as compared to hell..

in fact wouldn't that basically be like being high or something since you can't feel pain??

it's like painkillers..
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#12 Aug 29, 2012
you haven't applied every situation to the word of God like I have.. and

even my friend leaves out video games.. he believes that God doesn't direct that..

it's not a separate world..

it is a separate communication medium for consciousness..

we still cause upset to each other.. and thus God responds accordingly..

and that is why losing makes you win..

and winning makes you lose..

and we won whole world of warcraft events just cuz I died on purpose..

one could easily argue that people just felt bad..

and I could counter that with I mind controlled them and they thought they felt bad..
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#13 Aug 29, 2012
it's like gypsies want to stay away from stuff because it's bad luck well it is..

heck it may even be science and not be supernatural..

but the stuff still fits.. the religion
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#14 Aug 29, 2012
well I THINK atheism will replace religion but probably not for a few hundred years..
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#15 Aug 29, 2012
hey if you were immortal from technology would you still believe in god??
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#16 Aug 29, 2012
if you were immortal from technology would you still believe in God??
zink

Runnemede, NJ

#17 Aug 29, 2012
I have this theory that if All humans were killed off sept for a few God would come down and start a new garden of eden..

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#18 Aug 29, 2012
zink wrote:
I have this theory that if All humans were killed off sept for a few God would come down and start a new garden of eden..
The police and psychiatrists would love to help you in that dream. They are prepared to listen to you - please talk to them soonest. Get started on that dream!

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#19 Aug 30, 2012
LOL!
Islam is growing about as fast as Atheism only thing is Muslims have so many kids while Atheists have so few kids.

Islam is simply destined to win out over Atheists due to demographic birth rate differences.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#21 Aug 30, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
LOL!
Islam is growing about as fast as Atheism only thing is Muslims have so many kids while Atheists have so few kids.
Islam is simply destined to win out over Atheists due to demographic birth rate differences.
Takes no account of the number that leave Islam or that religious beleifs are mere superstitions. Ultimately, I expect religous beliefs will probably go the way of all superstitions. The sooner, the better.

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