Why the Supreme Court may not say ‘I ...

Why the Supreme Court may not say ‘I do’ to gay marriage

There are 567 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Jun 18, 2013, titled Why the Supreme Court may not say ‘I do’ to gay marriage. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

With the Supreme Court expected to issue major rulings on same-sex marriage any day now, ABC News court watcher Terry Moran tells Top Line that the court will likely avoid making a monumental ruling on the issue.

Moran says the justices “don’t want to be the judges of America when it comes to this issue” and predicts that they will find a way to defer to the states in the two cases dealing with same-sex marriage.

“They see this roiling democratic debate that's happening state-by-state, and the betting at the Supreme Court is that they'll find a way to decide this issue by getting themselves out of it,” Moran says. “They won't declare gay marriage legal all over the country or illegal. They'll say, 'Let the states handle it.'"

Join the discussion below, or Read more at news.yahoo.com.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#161 Jun 20, 2013
Stop-It-Now- wrote:
<quoted text>NO,I did not forget, since most gays are white males and so your fight is not the fight of blacks, Jews, females and illegal aliens. You only want them to join in your fight while you ignore there's. You gay shave not donated one dime to sickle cell research to aid blacks, you gays have not sent one dime to Jews in Israel, and you gays have not given one dime for women's right to Christianity, not abort and marriage to men, and you gays do not give a darn about illegal aliens unless they can vote for SSM.
His name was Baynard Rustin, Allen Ginsberg was a pedophile and Jason Collins, now that is stupid, a bench player in basketball who can't even get a contract.
Ditto. You're nothing but an insane, racist, sexist, mentally deranged homophobe. Pure scum. Plus, you hate your own mother, female.
Racist, so you are claiming that I am of what race?
Sexist, so you are claiming that I am of what sex?
Mentally deranged, so you are claiming that my 152 IQ is not sufficient.
Homophobe, so you are claiming that I am afraid that you will spread your gayness on to me via the internet. Strange.
"Most gays are white males" ... that's racist stereotyping. And you categorize people by race (Jews, blacks, whites) regardless of other individual factors about them. I don't need to know your race to know that you are a racist. Your words proclaim it.

You are sexist, because you focus all your comments on men, as if women do not exist. I don't need or want to know your sex. Or your sexual preference. I only know that you are sexist, again by your own words.

"... while you ignore there's" ... first of all, your IQ does not correlate to intelligence, otherwise you would not be making statements like "... while you ignore there is." And furthermore, at 152, your IQ is more than 10 points lower than mine. Which, by the way, really doesn't make you a better or a worse person than I am. You are mentally deranged because you need to see everything in absolute terms: "ALL gays ..." What an ignorant way to start a sentence. It infers that you are acquainted with every gay person worldwide, and that you know their hearts and their personal histories. And what in God's name is "women's right to Christianity, not abort and marriage to men ..."? I didn't know the Christians were refusing to let women join their churches or to follow Christ's teachings.

Finally, you are unquestionably homophobic because you have an undeniable aversion to gays, and because you discriminate against them. If you were as smart as you would like to be, you'd know the definition of "homophobia":

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hom...

"Strange?" Yes, you're very, very strange.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#162 Jun 20, 2013
magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
So this makes if fair game for everyone, right? Today's marriages tend not to last, suppose I want to marry a man the second time around instead of a woman? I guess we can just go in and out of all kinds of relationships now, right?
To me, the inferrance for man & woman is to provide a stable relationship for rearing the children they created. I know others can do this, but just saying that was probably the original reason for marriage.
Magadala, people already "go in and out of all kinds of relationships" and have been doing so since the beginning of recorded history.

And the whole reason for marriage was originally to accomplish a number of objectives: to maintain the purity of bloodlines among the races; to guarantee inheritance and property rights; to seal political alliances; and to protect a social order that was characterized by male dominance and implied superiority.

It's important to acknowledge that until the 1800's, romantic love was not considered a valid reason for two people to marry. Most marriages were arranged by parents (and fathers specifically), and the bride usually came with a dowry that was negotiated in advance.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#163 Jun 20, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>
"Most gays are white males" ... that's racist stereotyping. And you categorize people by race (Jews, blacks, whites) regardless of other individual factors about them. I don't need to know your race to know that you are a racist. Your words proclaim it.
You are sexist, because you focus all your comments on men, as if women do not exist. I don't need or want to know your sex. Or your sexual preference. I only know that you are sexist, again by your own words.
"... while you ignore there's" ... first of all, your IQ does not correlate to intelligence, otherwise you would not be making statements like "... while you ignore there is." And furthermore, at 152, your IQ is more than 10 points lower than mine. Which, by the way, really doesn't make you a better or a worse person than I am. You are mentally deranged because you need to see everything in absolute terms: "ALL gays ..." What an ignorant way to start a sentence. It infers that you are acquainted with every gay person worldwide, and that you know their hearts and their personal histories. And what in God's name is "women's right to Christianity, not abort and marriage to men ..."? I didn't know the Christians were refusing to let women join their churches or to follow Christ's teachings.
Finally, you are unquestionably homophobic because you have an undeniable aversion to gays, and because you discriminate against them. If you were as smart as you would like to be, you'd know the definition of "homophobia":
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hom...
"Strange?" Yes, you're very, very strange.
Being Caucasian. or black, is a race. It is an immutable characteristic that cannot be changed.

"Being a Jew" is a "lifestyle choice". One can choose to be Jewish, or choose not to be Jewish, just as one can chose to be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other religion. Or choose not to be.

"Being a Jew" is not a race.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#164 Jun 20, 2013
magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
So this makes if fair game for everyone, right? Today's marriages tend not to last, suppose I want to marry a man the second time around instead of a woman? I guess we can just go in and out of all kinds of relationships now, right?
To me, the inferrance for man & woman is to provide a stable relationship for rearing the children they created. I know others can do this, but just saying that was probably the original reason for marriage.
Yes, just as heteros can marry multiple times for money or love or convenience or whatever reason under the sun.

Don't blame the gays for what you heteros already screwed up.

My husband & I have been together for 26+ years; twice as long as any of our hetero siblings.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#165 Jun 20, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
Being Caucasian. or black, is a race. It is an immutable characteristic that cannot be changed.
"Being a Jew" is a "lifestyle choice". One can choose to be Jewish, or choose not to be Jewish, just as one can chose to be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other religion. Or choose not to be.
"Being a Jew" is not a race.
During the 1980's, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that in terms of anti-discrimination laws, Jews qualified as a race, and therefore are a protected class.

I realize the distinctions between religion, race, culture, ethnicity and heritage, and I know that different members of the Jewish community identify themselves in different ways. My best friend is married to a Jewish woman, who equates Jewishness with race. Their daughter, my goddaughter, identifies herself as half-Jewish, by reason of her bloodline.

Telling her either my goddaughter or her mother that their Jewishness is not racially based would be like me telling you that aren't gay because you don't fit MY definition of what a gay should be, look like or behave. But thanks for your input.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#166 Jun 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, just as heteros can marry multiple times for money or love or convenience or whatever reason under the sun.
Don't blame the gays for what you heteros already screwed up.
My husband & I have been together for 26+ years; twice as long as any of our hetero siblings.
Well Sheeple......we knew the rulings would come at the end of June and they will....lol!!!

“Kadesha Thomas Burgan”

Since: Jun 13

Heaven only knows

#167 Jun 20, 2013
If they want to be married and miserable like everybody else... why not?
It's their life to live

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#168 Jun 20, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>
During the 1980's, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that in terms of anti-discrimination laws, Jews qualified as a race, and therefore are a protected class.
I realize the distinctions between religion, race, culture, ethnicity and heritage, and I know that different members of the Jewish community identify themselves in different ways. My best friend is married to a Jewish woman, who equates Jewishness with race. Their daughter, my goddaughter, identifies herself as half-Jewish, by reason of her bloodline.
Telling her either my goddaughter or her mother that their Jewishness is not racially based would be like me telling you that aren't gay because you don't fit MY definition of what a gay should be, look like or behave. But thanks for your input.
A person's race, and their skin color, are immutable characteristics. A person's religion is NOT an immutable characteristic. I stand by what I said. And I doubt that you will find any professional Anthropologist will agree that Jewishness is a race anymore so than "Presbyterianism" is a race.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#169 Jun 20, 2013
magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
So this makes if fair game for everyone, right? Today's marriages tend not to last, suppose I want to marry a man the second time around instead of a woman? I guess we can just go in and out of all kinds of relationships now, right?
To me, the inferrance for man & woman is to provide a stable relationship for rearing the children they created. I know others can do this, but just saying that was probably the original reason for marriage.
Ask Rush Limbaugh for some advice. He's helots of practice. Newt might work too.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#170 Jun 20, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
Being Caucasian. or black, is a race. It is an immutable characteristic that cannot be changed.
"Being a Jew" is a "lifestyle choice". One can choose to be Jewish, or choose not to be Jewish, just as one can chose to be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any other religion. Or choose not to be.
"Being a Jew" is not a race.
Race is an illusion ... a verbal convention given horrific weight for no good reason.

Genetic Ethnicity or heredity, on the other hand, have some value.

Judaism is an hereditary ethnic classification that has religious association.

Ever notice this?

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#171 Jun 20, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Race is an illusion ... a verbal convention given horrific weight for no good reason.
Genetic Ethnicity or heredity, on the other hand, have some value.
Judaism is an hereditary ethnic classification that has religious association.
Ever notice this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yLAZhsnmCbQXX
Judaism is NOT hereditary anymore than any other religios belief is, be it Muslim, Hind, Buddhist, Presbyterianism, Roman catholic, Orthodox Christian nor any other. It's ridiculous to claim that it is.

My ethnicity is being a WASP. I can't change that. But I can change my religion to Judaism anytime i want to if I so desire. And why are you singling out the religion of Judaism as a so-called ethnicity, while you do no such thing to any other ?

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#172 Jun 20, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
A person's race, and their skin color, are immutable characteristics. A person's religion is NOT an immutable characteristic. I stand by what I said. And I doubt that you will find any professional Anthropologist will agree that Jewishness is a race anymore so than "Presbyterianism" is a race.
Frankly, I find you every bit as annoying as Fa-Foxy used to be.

You can believe what you want to believe; it's no skin off my behind.

But the next time someone tells you that being gay is strictly a choice, you remind yourself of this conversation. If you can tell other people that their knowledge about themselves is wrong, then you have no reason to gripe when some troll tells you they know more about who you are than you do.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#173 Jun 20, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
Judaism is NOT hereditary anymore than any other religios belief is, be it Muslim, Hind, Buddhist, Presbyterianism, Roman catholic, Orthodox Christian nor any other. It's ridiculous to claim that it is.
My ethnicity is being a WASP. I can't change that. But I can change my religion to Judaism anytime i want to if I so desire. And why are you singling out the religion of Judaism as a so-called ethnicity, while you do no such thing to any other ?
You just practiced the fallacies: EQUIVOCATION (the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning; in re "Jewish"), CIRCULAR REASONING (the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with; sometimes called "assuming the conclusion"), DEFINIST FALLACY ( involves the confusion between two notions by defining one in terms of the other).

Take a very few minutes and watch the link.

Here it is again:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aa...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people#DNA...

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#174 Jun 20, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>
Frankly, I find you every bit as annoying as Fa-Foxy used to be.
Well who the hell.do you think you were talking to. There is only one.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#175 Jun 20, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
<quoted text>
Well who the hell.do you think you were talking to. There is only one.
Yes, Tom, I knew that. That's why I mentioned his former handle, and in derogatory terms. I had requested some time ago that "Fa-Foxy" not respond to any of my posts, and I was hoping he might be reminded.
Bob

Seattle, WA

#176 Jun 20, 2013
The gays are pedophiles. They are the scum of the earth. Pure human trash. They have chosen to burn in hell. They are an evil abomination.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#177 Jun 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Race is an illusion ... a verbal convention given horrific weight for no good reason.
Genetic Ethnicity or heredity, on the other hand, have some value.
Judaism is an hereditary ethnic classification that has religious association.
Ever notice this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yLAZhsnmCbQXX
Let me ask you something about that then. John Kerry is now our Secretary Of State. He is a Roman Catholic, and the surname "Kerry" is Irish.

"It was discovered in 2003 by Felix Gundacker, a genealogist working with The Boston Globe, that Kerry's paternal grandparents, who had been born Jewish, as "Fritz Kohn" and "Ida Löwe", in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, changed their names to "Frederick and Ida Kerry" in 1900 and converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism in 1901. The "Kerry" name, widely misinterpreted as indicative of Irish heritage, was reputedly selected arbitrarily: "According to family legend, Fritz and another family member opened an atlas at random and dropped a pencil on a map. It fell on County Kerry in Ireland, and thus a name was chosen."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

So, since you contend that Jewishness is a race, then Secretary Of State John Kerry, is neither white, nor Irish, but Jewish. Correct ?
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#178 Jun 21, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, our government and laws have not been around for thousands of years. Secondly, different societies have approached marriage differently, and more than a few throughout history have had gay marriage. Third, the question is one of equal protection of the law, and whether there is any state interest served by limiting the legal protections of marriage to being between a man and a woman. Absent such an interest, restricting marriage in that manner is unconstitutional.
So in your desperation to appear cute and clever, you had to change me name. In other words, you're dishonest. Next, of COURSE this country has not been extant for thousands of years. Other countries and societies have been around for a while longer. Ah, but even you know that. Yet again, you are being dishonest. Surprise.

You also failed to substantiate your claim that other societies have sanctioned gay marriage, such claims ONLY made in this forum. Since I consider you to be a liar and a fraud, why would I possibly believe you with such a claim? Obviously I have good reason to be skeptical. You make unsubstantiated claims (like your fantasy claim that any restriction of marriage that you personally don't approve of being unconstitutional just makes you look, yet again, a fool. Also clearly makes YOU the BS Generator, not me. Yet again, you are shown to be dishonest.

Surprise.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#179 Jun 21, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he wasn't in a position to introduce a gay octagenarian (myself) to testify that I dreamed of getting married when the good Justice's FATHER was still in nappies!(And I was hardly unique in that)
<muttering>
hetero-chauvinist little whippersnapper
Surely I disagree with you far more often than I agree, but I gotta admit that you have an annoying tendency to present a cogent argument.

And that you are a gay octogenarian somehow just gives you points and stature for no specific reason... not to mention a perspective experienced by so few.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#180 Jun 21, 2013
magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
So this makes if fair game for everyone, right? Today's marriages tend not to last, suppose I want to marry a man the second time around instead of a woman? I guess we can just go in and out of all kinds of relationships now, right?
.......
Yes, as long as that relationship is with an adult unrelated human who has the ability to understand a marriage contract.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Gay/Lesbian Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Board of Supervisors celebrates Solano's diversity 17 min Topanga 1
News What would Jesus say about same-sex marriage? (Jul '15) 39 min Frankie Rizzo 5,980
News Amherst raises Pride flag 44 min BornGay 1
News Katherine Clark, Betsy DeVos get into heated di... 1 hr BornGay 5
Jade's Gerbil Farm Bed and Breakfast 1 hr Frankie Rizzo 18
News Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake (Jun '13) 1 hr Frankie Rizzo 49,251
News Tampa Teacher @LoraJane Hates Christians, Promo... 1 hr orlando 435
News Middle School Gay-Straight Alliance Allowed To ... 1 hr The Wheeze of Trump 38
News 'Free Kim Davis': This is just what gay rights ... (Sep '15) 2 hr Frankie Rizzo 25,617
More from around the web