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The Jesus I Know Would Never Approve Of Hateful E-Mail

There are 169 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Oct 14, 2008, titled The Jesus I Know Would Never Approve Of Hateful E-Mail. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

The following e-mail is from a man named Bill. It landed with a thud on Sunday morning: I will divorce my wife if ever homosexual marriage is allowed in Missouri .

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Jon Hykes

New Haven, CT

#1 Oct 14, 2008
The Jesus I know would reach out to the gays and lesbians. He would help celebrate the marriages. He reached out to all, especially the downtrodden and unloved. He associated Himself with prostitutes, lepers, foreigners and slaves, as well as tax collecters and publicans. He saw and celebrated the brotherhood of man. Your emailer really doesn't know Jesus, or hasn't read scripture. His words prove it. Many churches helped put together the lawsuit that brought forth this landmark decision. They did it because they know Jesus.
John Doe

Ellington, CT

#2 Oct 14, 2008
I had a lively conversation this weekend with my wife and her friend. I wondered out loud about the possibility of multiple spouses now that we have climbed the gay marriage mountain. Suggesting that marriage should be wide open if the courts truly believe that rights have been deprived. To make marriage truly free to all and for all; All variations must be allowed.
In the furtherance of my point, I laid out my reasoning. I love my wife and want to keep her but she needs help. She cooks, cleans, does all the wash (I mess up the delicates and I don't like to separate the colors) and has a very demanding job. Another wife would cut the work in half and help in those areas when she does not feel affectionate. I'm thinking about a woman in the 32 to 39 age range, preferably no kids, rubenesque in appearance and a feminest in the sixties sense.
Needless to say my presentation was not very well accepted. I say, let the fight begin. There shall be no peace until there is justice for all. Make marriage free for all. I hope you raise the banner and speak for true freedom.
beth kerrigan

West Hartford, CT

#3 Oct 14, 2008
it's 6 am and still dark when i read this, my boys asleep up stairs, i heard a noice outside, a little nervous i went to the window. it was the noice of the redeemable nickle bottles clinging in the plastic bag i leave next to the bins on recycling day. i start to cry feeling how cruel we can be to each other. thank you susan, for bringing christ back into the converstion, i too try to follow the teachings of christ.
no easy task, he was quite the man.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#4 Oct 14, 2008
John Doe wrote:
I had a lively conversation this weekend with my wife and her friend. I wondered out loud about the possibility of multiple spouses now that we have climbed the gay marriage mountain. Suggesting that marriage should be wide open if the courts truly believe that rights have been deprived. To make marriage truly free to all and for all; All variations must be allowed.
In the furtherance of my point, I laid out my reasoning. I love my wife and want to keep her but she needs help. She cooks, cleans, does all the wash (I mess up the delicates and I don't like to separate the colors) and has a very demanding job. Another wife would cut the work in half and help in those areas when she does not feel affectionate. I'm thinking about a woman in the 32 to 39 age range, preferably no kids, rubenesque in appearance and a feminest in the sixties sense.
Needless to say my presentation was not very well accepted. I say, let the fight begin. There shall be no peace until there is justice for all. Make marriage free for all. I hope you raise the banner and speak for true freedom.
Dear Mr. Doe,

You're exactly right. Why stop at gay marriage? We should allow Bob to also marry his pet dog, Fido, or maybe the 6 year old down the street. Or perhaps we can go out and buy him a nice stalk of celery and push for the engagement. Or better yet let's go by him a rock garden and maybe he'll find true love with one of the pebbles. You seem to neglect people who aren't biased against the LGBT community can see the difference. Go ahead and equate all you want gay marriage to as many different things as possible. You might want to also take notice your inability to form a better cohesive and logical argument is the exact reason why we're winning in the courts and why judges are seeing right through your pathetic attempts at "reasoning" away LGBT marriage.
Hope

Enfield, CT

#5 Oct 14, 2008
Perhaps we should spend as much time discussing and worrying about the state of marriage as we have known it. The marriage vows are broken in the majority of marriages, yet that is just an every day occurance with no one except the immediate family thinking much about it. What do you feel about divorces, adultry, abuse? If this behavior is between a man and a woman we consider it a matter of privacy.
Shawn M Lang

West Hartford, CT

#6 Oct 14, 2008
John Doe wrote:
I had a lively conversation this weekend with my wife and her friend. I wondered out loud about the possibility of multiple spouses now that we have climbed the gay marriage mountain. Suggesting that marriage should be wide open if the courts truly believe that rights have been deprived. To make marriage truly free to all and for all; All variations must be allowed.
In the furtherance of my point, I laid out my reasoning. I love my wife and want to keep her but she needs help. She cooks, cleans, does all the wash (I mess up the delicates and I don't like to separate the colors) and has a very demanding job. Another wife would cut the work in half and help in those areas when she does not feel affectionate. I'm thinking about a woman in the 32 to 39 age range, preferably no kids, rubenesque in appearance and a feminest in the sixties sense.
Needless to say my presentation was not very well accepted. I say, let the fight begin. There shall be no peace until there is justice for all. Make marriage free for all. I hope you raise the banner and speak for true freedom.
Spoken like a true sexist. Maybe your wife should divorce you and get a partner who can acutally hold up their half of the labor in her relationship.
employee

East Hartford, CT

#7 Oct 14, 2008
Jon Hykes wrote:
The Jesus I know would reach out to the gays and lesbians. He would help celebrate the marriages. He reached out to all, especially the downtrodden and unloved. He associated Himself with prostitutes, lepers, foreigners and slaves, as well as tax collecters and publicans. He saw and celebrated the brotherhood of man. Your emailer really doesn't know Jesus, or hasn't read scripture. His words prove it. Many churches helped put together the lawsuit that brought forth this landmark decision. They did it because they know Jesus.
He associated with them but told them to sin no more.

“dyssonance hotmail”

Since: Mar 07

Phoenix, AZ

#8 Oct 14, 2008
good article.

sadly, there are far too many who know the jesus Bill does, and not the one Susan knows.
John

United States

#9 Oct 14, 2008
The Rev. Peter Gomes was in Hartford this weekend, with his preaching hat on. Gomes is minister of Harvard University's Memorial Church.

Gomes' most recent book is titled "The Scandalous Gospel of Jesus." Gomes argues that the gospel of Jesus is "forward looking"---oriented toward a future when promise and fulfillment meet. Much religion today is "backward looking."

Opposition to same-sex marriage equality often shows itself in persons who seek comfort from the past---when Western culture was constructed around concepts such as male hierarchy.

Justice Palmer's decision (released last Friday) is a step forward---a move toward inclusion for same-sex couples. Such inclusion will be unsettling for those who believe in male hierarchy.
Maxine

London, KY

#10 Oct 14, 2008
Love the liberals, hate the sin. Sin stinks. The peddlar of it stinks worse.
Personal opinion.
verad

United States

#11 Oct 14, 2008
love conservatives, hate the sin. their sin stinks worse because they are self-righteous hypocrites on top of being sinful mortals like the rest of us. it would be a glorious day in Heaven and on Earth if they finally repent of their evil ways and learn to live and let live - of course that will never happen.
Reno

United States

#12 Oct 14, 2008
John Doe wrote:
I had a lively conversation this weekend with my wife and her friend. I wondered out loud about the possibility of multiple spouses now that we have climbed the gay marriage mountain. Suggesting that marriage should be wide open if the courts truly believe that rights have been deprived. To make marriage truly free to all and for all; All variations must be allowed.
In the furtherance of my point, I laid out my reasoning. I love my wife and want to keep her but she needs help. She cooks, cleans, does all the wash (I mess up the delicates and I don't like to separate the colors) and has a very demanding job. Another wife would cut the work in half and help in those areas when she does not feel affectionate. I'm thinking about a woman in the 32 to 39 age range, preferably no kids, rubenesque in appearance and a feminest in the sixties sense.
Needless to say my presentation was not very well accepted. I say, let the fight begin. There shall be no peace until there is justice for all. Make marriage free for all. I hope you raise the banner and speak for true freedom.
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read! With that attitude, I'm surprised your wife didn't jump at the chance to hand you over to someone else and find a decent husband for herself. How does gay marriage affect your life at all? I'm straight, married...very happily I might add. Why shouldn't a gay couple have that right as well?

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#14 Oct 14, 2008
I live in Missouri and I say bring on same sex marriage!!!!! If Bill has to divorce over that, he didn't have a marriage to begin with. Here is a tissue for your issue!
sylvia

Wellesley, MA

#15 Oct 14, 2008
Good for you! This is the kind of thoughtful, tolerant discourse we need in this country. Bill is a product of too much talk radio, hateful emails, intolerant preachers (usually self serving), and a general slide in civility in our country. The Jesus I learned about in my youth, that's presented to us by men who wrote the Bible, is fair and kind, and as you pointed out sees the good and potential in all people. I doubt he would be homophobic OR prejudiced. Certainly not hateful.
If you want to get to heaven, Bill, I'd suggest you chill. And then look in a mirror.
Nino Brown

Durham, CT

#16 Oct 14, 2008
Jesus was a man .... nothing more..you people perpetuate the myth of "God" when it is in HIS name ...that MANY have died .... needlessly
Elizabeth Ord

AOL

#17 Oct 14, 2008
"The Jesus you believe you know" is not the Jesus I have studied in the bible for the past 9 years. If you remember, Jesus is God made man - the 2nd person in the triune God head. He has all the same character attributes as God – He is God. God is very clear in the bible about homosexuality. It is a sin.(1 Cor 6:9, 1 Tim 1:10 – and there are more) If you believe in the bible as the word of God, you can't just quote the parts you like and agree with in order to make your point. You either believe the entire bible as God breathed or none of it. We are all sinners and need the grace and mercy of God but we need to repent (turn away from) our sin and turn to Christ as savior. I agree that hatred for others is wrong but condoning a lifestyle of sin is not biblical either. Also, Jesus was not as tolerant you would make him out to be. He was intolerant of the Pharisees and scribes who refused to turn away from their sin. There are more examples but I suspect you know these quite well. He was very tolerant of those who admitted their sin and repented. He reaches out to all sinners to repent and come to Him. If you claim to be a Christian, then you believe in the Jesus of the bible, not the one you make up on your own to match what you like. It is true that God is a loving God but he is also a merciful, wrathful, just, holy, vengeful God (to name only a few). You can’t break Him up to have only the traits you like and throw away the ones you don’t like. That is not the God of the bible.
Jac

Glastonbury, CT

#19 Oct 14, 2008
Wow! I don't know Bill's Jesus either and I would go further and say that it is a complete misrepresentation of Jesus. Jesus is loving and is welcoming to all. And this is how we should strive to live our lives - in a loving way. Jesus taught us to love and care for one another, not hate or name-call. Bill is using Jesus to spew his own hate and for that I pray for him to begin to let go of his hate and let Jesus' love in.

Jac

Glastonbury, CT

#20 Oct 14, 2008
Before you point fingers at any group of people, perhaps you should look into the mirror and ask yourself what you have done to bring about peace and harmony among all people. Perhaps you could start by sharing kind & loving comments rather than hateful comments.
hondo wrote:
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thanks to the jews.
MandM

Montgomery, AL

#21 Oct 14, 2008
Elizabeth Ord wrote:
"The Jesus you believe you know" is not the Jesus I have studied in the bible for the past 9 years. If you remember, Jesus is God made man - the 2nd person in the triune God head. He has all the same character attributes as God – He is God. God is very clear in the bible about homosexuality. It is a sin.(1 Cor 6:9, 1 Tim 1:10 – and there are more) If you believe in the bible as the word of God, you can't just quote the parts you like and agree with in order to make your point. You either believe the entire bible as God breathed or none of it. We are all sinners and need the grace and mercy of God but we need to repent (turn away from) our sin and turn to Christ as savior. I agree that hatred for others is wrong but condoning a lifestyle of sin is not biblical either. Also, Jesus was not as tolerant you would make him out to be. He was intolerant of the Pharisees and scribes who refused to turn away from their sin. There are more examples but I suspect you know these quite well. He was very tolerant of those who admitted their sin and repented. He reaches out to all sinners to repent and come to Him. If you claim to be a Christian, then you believe in the Jesus of the bible, not the one you make up on your own to match what you like. It is true that God is a loving God but he is also a merciful, wrathful, just, holy, vengeful God (to name only a few). You can’t break Him up to have only the traits you like and throw away the ones you don’t like. That is not the God of the bible.
Agreed!
Jac

Glastonbury, CT

#22 Oct 14, 2008
Sorry, Elizabeth, but my Bible (New Revised Standard Edition) does not say anything about homosexuality as you referenced in those passages. In addition, the passages you referenced were from letters from Paul within which he shares his own opinions upon his own admission. If you are asking if all Christians take the words in the Bible literally, then the answer is no. First off which version of the Bible uses the right words anyway? Secondly, if we did, women would have almost no rights. Sorry, but I know from my own "conversations" with God that He/She does not go along with that. I would bet that you pick and choose what you follow in the Bible, too. Read all of I Corinthians and all of I Timothy. Do you comply with all of it? I bet you don't and I would hope you don't. I don't and I don't believe that I'm a sinner for not following all of those ancient rules.
You might also consider the extremely long list of Pastors, Priests and Rabbis who support marriage equality. They are most likely more familiar with the Bible or Torah than either of us and have come to the conclusion that same sex marriage should be supported. If you don't believe me, check the list yourself. http://www.lmfct.org/site/PageServer...

Of course all of this is beside the point. We have freedom of religion here in the US and religious law is separate from state law. So, you can believe what you want from a religious perspective but you can't force others to believe the same as you. Law of the state must be fair to all regardless of religion.
Elizabeth Ord wrote:
"The Jesus you believe you know" is not the Jesus I have studied in the bible for the past 9 years. If you remember, Jesus is God made man - the 2nd person in the triune God head. He has all the same character attributes as God – He is God. God is very clear in the bible about homosexuality. It is a sin.(1 Cor 6:9, 1 Tim 1:10 – and there are more) If you believe in the bible as the word of God, you can't just quote the parts you like and agree with in order to make your point. You either believe the entire bible as God breathed or none of it. We are all sinners and need the grace and mercy of God but we need to repent (turn away from) our sin and turn to Christ as savior. I agree that hatred for others is wrong but condoning a lifestyle of sin is not biblical either. Also, Jesus was not as tolerant you would make him out to be. He was intolerant of the Pharisees and scribes who refused to turn away from their sin. There are more examples but I suspect you know these quite well. He was very tolerant of those who admitted their sin and repented. He reaches out to all sinners to repent and come to Him. If you claim to be a Christian, then you believe in the Jesus of the bible, not the one you make up on your own to match what you like. It is true that God is a loving God but he is also a merciful, wrathful, just, holy, vengeful God (to name only a few). You can’t break Him up to have only the traits you like and throw away the ones you don’t like. That is not the God of the bible.

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