Paul Clement Starts Abandoning Defenc...

Paul Clement Starts Abandoning Defence of DOMA In Courts

There are 10 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Jul 18, 2013, titled Paul Clement Starts Abandoning Defence of DOMA In Courts. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

Republican hired lawyer Paul Clement has begun to abandon the defense of DOMA in the federal courts in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling on the law

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Since: Jan 08

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#1 Jul 18, 2013
Read: Republicans have finally decided to stop wasting tax dollars in this pursuit of a theocratic state.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2 Jul 18, 2013
Clement can't imagine trying to inflict further harm upon Veterans or their families.

The guy is being brought around through human compassion and a sense of fitness.

Good.

Changing the world, one heart and mind at a time.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Jul 18, 2013
Dubya wrote:
Read: Republicans have finally decided to stop wasting tax dollars in this pursuit of a theocratic state.
The irony is our separation of church & state is what PREVENTS the govt from forcing churches to marry same-sex couples, like the Church of England now must do.

Since: Jan 08

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#4 Jul 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The irony is our separation of church & state is what PREVENTS the govt from forcing churches to marry same-sex couples, like the Church of England now must do.
Would anyone really want to be married by an institution that at the very least considers them second class citizens? Churches/clergymen have never had to marry anyone they chose not to. Most require some sort of counseling before performing marriages; if you don't agree to this, they won't marry you. Also, many churches have their own rules: divorce, etc. Despite the fact that many churches/clergymen will refuse to marry us, there are many that will not only marry us but celebrate our unions. Isn't that what most who want a religious wedding would want? Other churches will come around in time. In the meantime let's hope we can keep "religion" of any denomination from creeping into our government.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Jul 19, 2013
Dubya wrote:
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Would anyone really want to be married by an institution that at the very least considers them second class citizens? Churches/clergymen have never had to marry anyone they chose not to. Most require some sort of counseling before performing marriages; if you don't agree to this, they won't marry you. Also, many churches have their own rules: divorce, etc. Despite the fact that many churches/clergymen will refuse to marry us, there are many that will not only marry us but celebrate our unions. Isn't that what most who want a religious wedding would want? Other churches will come around in time. In the meantime let's hope we can keep "religion" of any denomination from creeping into our government.
Agreed.

The anti-gays know this as well, but it's a good line to scare the ignorant with.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#6 Jul 19, 2013
Dubya wrote:
Read: Republicans have finally decided to stop wasting tax dollars in this pursuit of a theocratic state.
I wish!! They're just realized that the fundraising and vote-getting gravy trains from bashing gay folks and our families is drying up. If there was still money or votes in it, they'd still be doing it.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#7 Jul 19, 2013
Dubya wrote:
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Would anyone really want to be married by an institution that at the very least considers them second class citizens? Churches/clergymen have never had to marry anyone they chose not to....
I've posted this many time here. My own (not Catholic) brother was denied marriage rites in the Catholic church that his wife was born and raised in because my brother wouldn't sign the document promising to raise any children they had as Catholics.(He didn't object to his wife doing it, but asserted that his children would know about HIS faith, too--they didn't like that.)

Their church, their rules, they get to decide who they marry, and they said, "Nope! We won't marry you unless you play by our rules."

Fair enough.

So they went across town to one of the OTHER Catholic churches in town (there are three in Ann Arbor) and got married over there by a priest that was far more inclusive than the old-school one. He figured it would be better to welcome my brother and into the church than it was to cast him out.

Funny that.... Someone else that's really important to Christians ALSO had that attitude once. A LONG time ago....

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#8 Jul 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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I've posted this many time here. My own (not Catholic) brother was denied marriage rites in the Catholic church that his wife was born and raised in because my brother wouldn't sign the document promising to raise any children they had as Catholics.(He didn't object to his wife doing it, but asserted that his children would know about HIS faith, too--they didn't like that.)
Their church, their rules, they get to decide who they marry, and they said, "Nope! We won't marry you unless you play by our rules."
Fair enough.
So they went across town to one of the OTHER Catholic churches in town (there are three in Ann Arbor) and got married over there by a priest that was far more inclusive than the old-school one. He figured it would be better to welcome my brother and into the church than it was to cast him out.
Funny that.... Someone else that's really important to Christians ALSO had that attitude once. A LONG time ago....
That other priest violated Canon Law by not requiring the child education contract.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#9 Jul 19, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That other priest violated Canon Law by not requiring the child education contract.
Funny how that works, isn't it?? He's still a priest and he's still marrying couples, too.

You see, the priest that married my bother and sister-in-law decided to do what JESUS would have done, rather than what the out-of-touch old guys in the pretty dresses, designer shoes, and fabulous hats with matching handbags over in Rome wanted him to do.

And guess what else?? He has a whole lot of support from a whole lot of Roman Catholics over here for doing it.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Jul 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Funny how that works, isn't it?? He's still a priest and he's still marrying couples, too.
You see, the priest that married my bother and sister-in-law decided to do what JESUS would have done, rather than what the out-of-touch old guys in the pretty dresses, designer shoes, and fabulous hats with matching handbags over in Rome wanted him to do.
And guess what else?? He has a whole lot of support from a whole lot of Roman Catholics over here for doing it.
Yeah, but RC-ism isn't democratic except at the highest level.

It's an oligarchic autocracy.

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