2 Russians Arrested For Brutal Homophobic Killing

May 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: EDGE

Investigators say a 23-year-old Russian man was brutally beaten and left to die by his companions after drunkenly telling them he was gay.

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EdmondWA wrote:
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You BET I will show hate for ANY ideology that promotes KILLING of good and innocent people for no good reason.
Homosexuals are neither good nor innocent.
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You BET I will show hate for ANY ideology that promotes KILLING of good and innocent people for no good reason.
What do I expect back? Well, if I thought I was talking to a thoughtful and decent person, I'd expect them to say "Gee, Eddie, you're right! I shouldn't condemn people who have done nothing wrong to anyone."
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Don't you know if it's wrong or not, without consenting the supernatural? Aren't you sure if your religion sends gay people to burn in agony forever and ever?
If you truly think for yourself, you'll realize how backwards your religion has this issue.
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It's only "fair" if the punishment fits the crime. I don't see why homosexuality should be considered a crime by anyone, least of all a god. This should not be a confusing, mysterious matter, full of "ifs". If this is a religious issue for you, then you should be CERTAIN.
It sounds like you might be a good person, but you are torn between obediently following your religion, and recognizing that it is primitive and outdated when it comes to personal human freedom and the concepts of crime and justice.
You don't need your religion in order to be a good person who treats others with kindness, and you don't need it to tell you who to condemn.
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But do you think that I should be "condmened" or "punished" for it? Do you think it's "wrong"? If there's a god who thinks it's wrong, is he correct? WHY?
Please understand that I'm not gay because I "prefer" it (and I think that you are probably not heterosexual just because you "prefer" it, either). We are what we are, whether we prefer it or not.
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Sounds like some straight men I know, and the way they treat women.
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Someone tell that to the gods, because they seem to have written some books that say otherwise.
I'm sorry it came out wrong I said it wrong whta i meant was it's not for me thats all and I am a decent person so far I know and so are you so long as ya dont disrespect ma religion.

I totally understand what ya saying and how offended ya feel about what abrahamic religions say about gay people but dont listen to what they say. Being a good person isnt about ones sexual orientation it's about being a good person by this I mean not causing harm to others and respecting others and others beliefs. there is gay christians and muslims this is because being a muslim isnt about ones sexuality it's a bout submitting to GOd.

No I don't think You should be punished for the way ya was born.
i dont know what to say about what GOD thinks i cant comment on that sorry id ont wanna get punished.

No he's definately not straight he's just a bit wild LOL

Yeah i was brought up in a very confused houshold as a child. Ma father is a muslim ma mum was a christian but then converted to islam a few years ago. If i ever became gay I would probably get a beating.Lol so i have very few choices
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sorry i meant you shouldnt be punished for the way ya was born* typing waay too fast lol

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wamalamabangbang wrote:
I'm sorry it came out wrong I said it wrong whta i meant was it's not for me thats all and I am a decent person so far I know and so are you so long as ya dont disrespect ma religion.
I'm not sure why THAT determines if a person is decent or not. Some religions are horrible. Some people do horrible things FOR their religion. Religion does not deserve automatic respect. Like all ideas, it should be analyzed for its good AND its bad, and it should be honestly and openly criticized for any bad ideas that come from it.
wamalamabangbang wrote:
I totally understand what ya saying and how offended ya feel about what abrahamic religions say about gay people but dont listen to what they say.
I don't. The Abrahamic religions have magical talking animals in them. Even if they said that gay people were saints, they have other nonsense ideas that invalidate them.
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Being a good person isnt about ones sexual orientation it's about being a good person by this I mean not causing harm to others and respecting others and others beliefs.
I agree that being good is about not causing harm. It isn't any more complicated than that, and it's too bad that people can't admit that they know this without supernatural influence.

But I don't agree that we MUST respect other's beliefs. If they have BAD beliefs, then those beliefs do not deserve respect.
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there is gay christians and muslims this is because being a muslim isnt about ones sexuality it's a bout submitting to GOd.
No I don't think You should be punished for the way ya was born.
i dont know what to say about what GOD thinks i cant comment on that sorry id ont wanna get punished.
Why would you be punished?
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No he's definately not straight he's just a bit wild LOL
Yeah i was brought up in a very confused houshold as a child. Ma father is a muslim ma mum was a christian but then converted to islam a few years ago. If i ever became gay I would probably get a beating.Lol so i have very few choices
You have all the same choices I have. No one can force you into a belief, or prevent you from questioning a belief.
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I'm not sure why THAT determines if a person is decent or not. Some religions are horrible. Some people do horrible things FOR their religion. Religion does not deserve automatic respect. Like all ideas, it should be analyzed for its good AND its bad, and it should be honestly and openly criticized for any bad ideas that come from it.
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I don't. The Abrahamic religions have magical talking animals in them. Even if they said that gay people were saints, they have other nonsense ideas that invalidate them.
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I agree that being good is about not causing harm. It isn't any more complicated than that, and it's too bad that people can't admit that they know this without supernatural influence.
But I don't agree that we MUST respect other's beliefs. If they have BAD beliefs, then those beliefs do not deserve respect.
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Why would you be punished?
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You have all the same choices I have. No one can force you into a belief, or prevent you from questioning a belief.
Who care what some Homosexaul think ?

You are patetic and sad....I hope more Homosexauls die!

And you need to have REAL Phobia/Fear!!
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Justin wrote:
That queer learned his lesson. Hopefully this will send a message to other queers.
Go find a chic and simmer down who cares what people do in their private bedroom, your attitude reminds me of shria law; lets beat the shit out of a broad for having one inch of flesh showing. If people where more concerned about their own actions than someone else's the world would be a better peaceful place. Poetic justice would be if you had a kid and one day it came out of the closet! Charma is a bitch. We legalized gay marriage in Canada and let me tell you I couldn't tell the difference in society... No lakes of burning hell appeared. The only thing that happened is government legalized it and hate crime on homos dropped dramatically, thus we need to focus on real meat and potatoes of society politics and change for the better and leave gay stuff to gays. To become filled with hate and rage to a point of justifying murder or assault of any citizen regardless of their character is a tragic reflection of an intolerant violent society, luckily there is balanced mentalities appearing daily in global governments who believe we need to get past this. Gays have been around since the beginning of time nothing you say or do will lower the next generation of homos numbers. Thus prosecution and wasted energy and financial resources NEED to be spent on more concrete foundation building of any nation. Infrastructure, health care, labour laws........ Just a thought from a straight dude who believes a lot of people need to grow up.

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The Iron Dick wrote:
Who care what some Homosexaul think ?
You are patetic and sad....I hope more Homosexauls die!
And you need to have REAL Phobia/Fear!!
Hey wamalamabangbang, is THIS one of those beliefs I'm expected to automatically respect?

Can you understand why some beliefs need to be examined closely, and possibly REJECTED as disrespectfully as possible? This guy wants MORE DEATH in the world. It might even be his RELIGIOUS belief.

But I don't respect it a bit. I'm guessing you don't either.
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Russians killing Russians...I don't know whether this is funny or just sad.

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Carlos wrote:
Russians killing Russians...I don't know whether this is funny or just sad.
Are you a gay Georgian? Or are all Georgian men gay?

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-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a gay Georgian? Or are all Georgian men gay?
Thank you for giving me that to remember you by.

Bye.

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Thank you for giving me that to remember you by.
Bye.
*waves*
Bye-bye!!:)
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Bye-bye!!:)
Su:ck his d!ck and get it over with fagg@t.

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Does this closet case realize they would kill him too or is he just that mental?

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McMike wrote:
Does this closet case realize they would kill him too or is he just that mental?
The Russians are addicted to Caesaropapism. They will be given a medal by Patriarch for "defending religion".

Well, fellow peeps ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Hey wamalamabangbang, is THIS one of those beliefs I'm expected to automatically respect?
Can you understand why some beliefs need to be examined closely, and possibly REJECTED as disrespectfully as possible? This guy wants MORE DEATH in the world. It might even be his RELIGIOUS belief.
But I don't respect it a bit. I'm guessing you don't either.
Communist do not like you Homosexauls,and they are Atheists...how about that?

Go find the Life and Live NORMAN People !

Family = LOVE of Man and Women and there children
Homosexaulity = HATE against Human Nature
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Traditional Family = LOVE of Man and Women

Homosexaulity =HATE against Human Nature
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EdmondWA wrote:
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Hey wamalamabangbang, is THIS one of those beliefs I'm expected to automatically respect?
Can you understand why some beliefs need to be examined closely, and possibly REJECTED as disrespectfully as possible? This guy wants MORE DEATH in the world. It might even be his RELIGIOUS belief.
But I don't respect it a bit. I'm guessing you don't either.
Thats iron dickhead dont listen to him he's gone a bit crazy latley anyway, hes been obsessed with putin the devil.
no I dont respect what he's saying but I do agree to some extent it's better to be heterosexual like you would think it's better to be gay. But I disagree with the killing of any innocent human being no matter what.

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Thats iron dickhead dont listen to him he's gone a bit crazy latley anyway, hes been obsessed with putin the devil.
But he does represent the danger, or at least the contradiction, of trying to respect everyone's religious beliefs. Just because a belief is "religious" doesn't necessarily make it "respectable". Beliefs have to be analyzed for their value content. Respect has to be merited, not automatic.
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no I dont respect what he's saying but I do agree to some extent it's better to be heterosexual like you would think it's better to be gay. But I disagree with the killing of any innocent human being no matter what.
I don't think it's "better" to be gay. I think it's better to be YOURSELF, whether you're gay OR straight. No one should be expected to be something they're not, and no one should have to live in fear for who they are. No one should even be made to feel BAD, not just for being gay. But kids are made to feel unloved and unwanted by their parents. Law-abiding citizens are made to feel like they must watch over their shoulders.

You say it's "better" to be heterosexual, a statement which only makes gay people feel like you see them as "worse". This only feeds and inspires incidents like the one in Russia. People like these men ALREADY see gay people as valueless, and they believe they have support when they hear others devalue gay people.
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But he does represent the danger, or at least the contradiction, of trying to respect everyone's religious beliefs. Just because a belief is "religious" doesn't necessarily make it "respectable". Beliefs have to be analyzed for their value content. Respect has to be merited, not automatic.
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I don't think it's "better" to be gay. I think it's better to be YOURSELF, whether you're gay OR straight. No one should be expected to be something they're not, and no one should have to live in fear for who they are. No one should even be made to feel BAD, not just for being gay. But kids are made to feel unloved and unwanted by their parents. Law-abiding citizens are made to feel like they must watch over their shoulders.
You say it's "better" to be heterosexual, a statement which only makes gay people feel like you see them as "worse". This only feeds and inspires incidents like the one in Russia. People like these men ALREADY see gay people as valueless, and they believe they have support when they hear others devalue gay people.
Of corse it is better to be Heterosexual....I mean I am NORMAL...
You are not....

To bad USSR did not NUKE your America...world now would be better place!
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EdmondWA wrote:
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But he does represent the danger, or at least the contradiction, of trying to respect everyone's religious beliefs. Just because a belief is "religious" doesn't necessarily make it "respectable". Beliefs have to be analyzed for their value content. Respect has to be merited, not automatic.
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I don't think it's "better" to be gay. I think it's better to be YOURSELF, whether you're gay OR straight. No one should be expected to be something they're not, and no one should have to live in fear for who they are. No one should even be made to feel BAD, not just for being gay. But kids are made to feel unloved and unwanted by their parents. Law-abiding citizens are made to feel like they must watch over their shoulders.
You say it's "better" to be heterosexual, a statement which only makes gay people feel like you see them as "worse". This only feeds and inspires incidents like the one in Russia. People like these men ALREADY see gay people as valueless, and they believe they have support when they hear others devalue gay people.
fair enough I totally understand where ya coming from when ya say about beliefs. bUT hold on isnt that the same as people analyzing homosexuality???

no I meant for me it's better for me to be heterosexual as i was born to be attracted to the opposite sex just like you was born gay. geez you examine waaay tooo much LOL. i dont see gays as values I think everyones equal but differnt that's all.

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