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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#253338 Aug 3, 2013
Murgatroyd wrote:
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Boy did I have to back track to find the point.
Anyway my two cents. I would have stayed in the car., so I partially
Agree. He should have waited. But there had been robberies
And the kid was,on someone's property.
He did not , as initial news said.... profile, he answered
The operator's question.
Had I found myself on the ground, with a broken nose, getting my head
Pounded into the ground and had a gun: same result
That boy could have been casing a house or not.
The only eye witness report and evidence was that TM
Swung a punch , broke his nose and was shot while
On top of GZ attempting to break his head.
The jury , IMO, was correct.
The juror on tv either wants attention
Or is afraid of the crazies protesting
Nothing in GZ file says he is racist
Or close. All that investigation= zilch
In fact just the opposite..
He tutors black kids
He fought the city to help
a,homeless black person.
The people ramping this up only
Want money and attention for their causes..imo
Thank you. I trusted that members of the Jury in 2013 were not of the same ilk of juries back a century when blacks had no rights whatsoever in courts of law.

I'm quite sure that lawyers questioned the members of the jury to make sure they were not racist before taking them on as individuals that would hopefully be fair by the information put before them in the courtroom.

At any rate Zimmerman is going to suffer the rest of his life simply because the general public is anxious and overly willing to be his judge and jury.

“Exit Stage Right”

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#253339 Aug 3, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Thank you. I trusted that members of the Jury in 2013 were not of the same ilk of juries back a century when blacks had no rights whatsoever in courts of law.
I'm quite sure that lawyers questioned the members of the jury to make sure they were not racist before taking them on as individuals that would hopefully be fair by the information put before them in the courtroom.
At any rate Zimmerman is going to suffer the rest of his life simply because the general public is anxious and overly willing to be his judge and jury.
IMO

There will be at the least civil trial. IF not a Federal one
For which they have no evidence of racism .Big waste.

It WAS self defense under the circumstances and evidence.
Svaha

Tampa, FL

#253340 Aug 3, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I never was on the floor kicking and screaming about Gerald Gardner being homophobic. I simply finally understood why all of you Pagans and supporters of Pagans tried to hide what the original father of Wicca believed, and why you neglected to fill me in on that subject, as at the same time we were all vilifying the Christian religion for their god also cursing homosexuals as did Gerald Garner's version of the goddess.
It was an amazing cover-up that I was very pleased to finally bring out in the open on the forum for ALL to share.
No one cares about Gardner except you. Whether he was homophobic or not YOU care about. I don't. Bit doesn't. Tre doesn't and when we all TOLD you we didn't care YOU are the one who tried unsuccessfully to bait us with your idiotic "debates" and when we didn't bite you started on the abuse and insults. The only thing you're trying to cover up June is your present state of mind and you are very unsuccessful at it.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#253341 Aug 3, 2013
Svaha wrote:
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No one cares about Gardner except you. Whether he was homophobic or not YOU care about. I don't. Bit doesn't. Tre doesn't and when we all TOLD you we didn't care YOU are the one who tried unsuccessfully to bait us with your idiotic "debates" and when we didn't bite you started on the abuse and insults. The only thing you're trying to cover up June is your present state of mind and you are very unsuccessful at it.
The fact is, Gardner was the originator of modern Paganism, and I want to make it plain to all that he WAS homophobic as is the Christian religion and most all other religions.

To claim that the goddess loves everybody sounds nice and sweet and pure ... but it was the bi-sexual Alex Sanders that changed the original form of Wicca to what it is today.

If it doesn't matter to you and Thomas and Bitner that doesn't mean that others don't find that issue of interest. I post it for them ... not you ... as you three already knew that Gardner was a homophobe.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#253342 Aug 3, 2013
"The Goddess is continually revealing Herself."

Starhawk ... Miriam Simos
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#253343 Aug 3, 2013
Murgatroyd wrote:
<quoted text>
IMO
There will be at the least civil trial. IF not a Federal one
For which they have no evidence of racism .Big waste.
It WAS self defense under the circumstances and evidence.
It seems that the jury (for the most part) agreed with you.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#253344 Aug 3, 2013
I suggest that Miriam Simos ignored the issue of all the horrible suffering in order to make her modernized Pagan religion seem real "pretty."
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"All began in love; all seeks to return to love. Love is the law, the teacher of wisdom, and the great revealer of mysteries."

Starhawk
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The Grapple tree can kill a lion.

The Grapple Tree (Harpagophytum procumbens) of South Africa produces a fearsome fruit called the “Devil’s Claw” which has been known to kill a lion. The fruit is covered in fierce hooks, which latch on to passing animals. In trying to shake the fruit off, the animal disperses the seeds but at the same time, the hooks sink deeper into the creature’s flesh. If the animal touches the fruit with its mouth, the fruit will attach itself to the animal’s jaw, inflicting great pain and preventing it from eating. Antelopes are usually the victims.
Svaha

Tampa, FL

#253345 Aug 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is, Gardner was the originator of modern Paganism, and I want to make it plain to all that he WAS homophobic as is the Christian religion and most all other religions.
To claim that the goddess loves everybody sounds nice and sweet and pure ... but it was the bi-sexual Alex Sanders that changed the original form of Wicca to what it is today.
If it doesn't matter to you and Thomas and Bitner that doesn't mean that others don't find that issue of interest. I post it for them ... not you ... as you three already knew that Gardner was a homophobe.
just another one of you pointless "points"

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#253346 Aug 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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It has everything to do with the point I am making.
How would YOU have voted if you had been on the jury? Now is your chance. Guilty or innocent?
I don't care what point you think you were making. It has nothing to do with my point.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#253347 Aug 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Bitner and Svaha and Thomas all seem to believe that the jury gave the wrong message to the public.
I want to know how they would have voted "guilty, or innocent" ... or if they would have dead-locked the jury ... but they won't respond.
I said nothing about the jury, except one thing about the woman who says she was coerced.

My point was never about the jury.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#253348 Aug 4, 2013
Svaha wrote:
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just another one of you pointless "points"
Not only that, but her lies as twists to go with the irrelevancies. That's why I won't discuss it with her. She's only attempting to change the subject. I say don't let her do so.

However, that DOES beg a question. Does she bring this crap up when I'm not around?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253349 Aug 4, 2013
Miriam Simos made a fortune selling such words to gullible modern Pagans ... many who perceive their selves as witches full of "power."
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"Awareness of energy is awareness of the great dance of the universe. Seemingly intangible, it underlies all that we can touch….Awareness of your own energy is the awareness that flesh and spirit are one, that thou art Goddess, eternally linked, connected, at one with the moving spirit of All."

Starhawk (Miriam Simos)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253350 Aug 4, 2013
How Miriam Simos knows that a goddess exists is anybody's guess, but I perceive that as did and do all theologians, she flies around in her own imaginary illusions, creating her own spin on words, to in turn lure other people into her OWN web of illusions.
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"We are already one with the Goddess – She has been with us from the beginning. So fulfillment becomes…a matter of self-awareness."

Starhawk (Miriam Simos)
Svaha

Tampa, FL

#253351 Aug 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Miriam Simos made a fortune selling such words to gullible modern Pagans ... many who perceive their selves as witches full of "power."
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"Awareness of energy is awareness of the great dance of the universe. Seemingly intangible, it underlies all that we can touch….Awareness of your own energy is the awareness that flesh and spirit are one, that thou art Goddess, eternally linked, connected, at one with the moving spirit of All."
Starhawk (Miriam Simos)
LOl, you really don't have a clue what the woman is saying do you? You used to have such an open mind June but now?????

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#253352 Aug 4, 2013
Svaha wrote:
<quoted text>
LOl, you really don't have a clue what the woman is saying do you? You used to have such an open mind June but now?????
Well, there are two possibilities.

One, she understands full well, but twisting what is being said suits her agenda better.

Two, she is too dumb to understand.

I suppose it could be a combination of the two though.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253353 Aug 4, 2013
Truly spiritual people are never supposed to be confrontational or adversarial — that would be perpetuating an un-evolved, "us-them" dualism.

Starhawk (Miriam Simos)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253354 Aug 4, 2013
The above was one of her quotes, which on its own seems to imply one thing. But following is more......

People can use part of a story to paint others guilty as I believe occurred in the story of Zimmerman ... or they can realize their is more to the story.

Following is more from Miriam Simos on the issue of confrontation or adversarial issues.
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I don't know from what spiritual tradition the "what you resist, persists" slogan originated, but I often want to ask those who blithely repeat it,
"What's your evidence?" When it is so patently obvious that what you don't resist persists like hell and spreads all over the place. In fact, good, strong, solid resistance may be the only thing that stands between us and hell. Hitler didn't persist because of the Resistance — he succeeded in taking over Germany and murdering millions because not enough people resisted.
Truthsayer777

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#253355 Aug 4, 2013
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253356 Aug 4, 2013
So people had to ultimately go to war to end Hitler's reign of terror. That meant killing and more killing.

Does Starhawk promote that killing through such resistance is aligned to goddess love???

Real-life on earth is not about preaching fluff. It is about getting a gun and shooting those who try to rule over others as did Hitler's regime.

Anybody can write slush about goddess love and bringing down the goddess through ritual, as does Miriam Simos, but when push comes to shove, humans must resist often by killing others.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#253357 Aug 4, 2013
Systems don't change easily. Systems try to maintain themselves, and seek equilibrium. To change a system, you need to shake it up, disrupt the equilibrium. That often requires conflict.
To me, conflict is a deeply spiritual place. It's the high-energy place where power meets power, where change and transformation can occur.

Starhawk
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So Miriam Simos believes that self-centered humans are able to create a loving system?

I think NOT!

She's gained wealth from writing about how her concept of a new system will change the world to a better place to live.

YEAH RIGHT!!!

A leopard can't change its spots and neither can humans change from self-centered animals into angels of mercy.

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