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Catholic Church Waging War on Women and Gays

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“Pharmacists must seek to raise people's awareness so that all human beings are protected from conception to natural death, and so that medicines truly play a therapeutic role”

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Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#250913 Mar 27, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"Problems at Soli's clinics were found after Pennsylvania regulators renewed long-dormant routine inspections of free-standing abortion clinics around the state in the wake of the investigation into Gosnell and his staff.
An Oct. 26 inspection report of Soli's Bensalem facility, which was located on Neshaminy Boulevard, found that drugs and equipment required to resuscitate abortion patients were missing and that it took Soli and a secretary 10 minutes to figure out how to use the clinic's oxygen tank, the mask for which was found covered in dust.
Dozens of expired drugs and medical equipment were found, some dating back decades, including Benadryl from 1970, a saline vial from 1978, progesterone from 1982 and Depo-Provera from 1989.
Sterile trays of instruments were not wrapped properly and the ultrasound machine, microscope and blood pressure cuffs had not been inspected, certified or calibrated, they said.
Also at the Bensalem clinic, inspectors found that tissue from fetuses was left outside the building in unsecured containers for collection "for an undetermined length of time with potential exposure to the public."
Soli's medical license, first issued in 1967, expired at the end of December and he was placed on inactive status last month, according to the Department of State. The agency's Board of Medicine had no discipline history for him.
Soli received a medical doctor's degree from Shiraz University in Iran in 1958, according to American Board of Medical Specialties records.
The Nov. 1 inspection of his Philadelphia clinic also found nonworking or missing equipment and expired pharmaceutical drugs, some that dated back to the early 1990s.
When inspectors inquired about fetal tissue samples inside a cabinet in a procedure room, Soli responded that he did not know why they were there and then placed them in a trash bag for disposal, the state agency said. It was unclear how much tissue was handled that way, but the reports said it was used for microscopic examination.
The facility's only bathroom lacked ceiling tiles, leaving the pipes exposed, inspectors said. They found Soli's lunch was kept in the same refrigerator as the clinic's drugs.
"Opened, uncapped needles were also observed lying directly on the floor under the cabinet with the identified medications," inspectors said.
That was also where drugs for sterile intravenous use were stored, because Soli and his staff said they had to be hidden from neighborhood drug dealers. The inspection reports said the office had been broken into several times.
Soli told the inspectors he did not have a written transfer agreement with a hospital for emergency care, as required, but did have privileges at two hospitals.
Inspectors said Soli's handwritten notes, in English and Arabic, were so hard to read it took him several minutes to decipher them himself.
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The idea that you believe women deserve to be deprived of abortion clinics because of a few bad actors is proof that you really don't care that most women survive abortions in goverment regulated clinics.

You are a right-fighter, but only for your own fight to keep women from having abortions ... which never has worked and never will work.

The fact is, women are better off when abortion is legal than when it is not.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#250914 Mar 27, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>June,I am sorry for my rude conduct of the last eveining.
It's our home made wine spring time bender at the Jumper home place.
December was a mighty fine month.
I only let out what I felt behind my mask of jaded sarcasm and distain.
As of now, I will be off the forum for a while Jumper. Be careful with that sacriligious wine. It'll get you in the end.

And don't forget, I trust you to post in my place, even though we rarely agree on anything, and maybe especially because we don't agree.

Happy weekend.

:)

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#250915 Mar 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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The idea that you believe women deserve to be deprived of abortion clinics because of a few bad actors is proof that you really don't care that most women survive abortions in goverment regulated clinics.
You are a right-fighter, but only for your own fight to keep women from having abortions ... which never has worked and never will work.
The fact is, women are better off when abortion is legal than when it is not.
These are just a few of the ones that we know about, but there's a lot morebut obviously with the [email protected] inspections that have been going on there are more that we don't hear about. Don't delude yourself, you don't care about women you only care about the abortions.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#250916 Mar 28, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I had unplanned pregnancies and I birthed all of them and raised them for 18 years without complaint and got more enjoyment from them that I could have never imagined.
I wasn't talking about your unplanned pregnancies, woman. I was talking about the results of the unplanned pregnancies of others, for whom YOU would prefer to have made the reproductive choices, so that these others would have given birth, rather than had an abortion. I was talking about your supposed concern for the babies born alive after some of those abortions, and its manifestation in your actions (or the lack thereof). I was talking about refraining from complaint about financially supporting those abandoned kids, through your contributions to that support in the form of taxes. But of course you already knew that.

None of my pregnancies were 'planned' either - they occurred in spite of my deliberate and consistent use of contraception, one and all. I raised the ones I gave birth to as well - gee, pin a medal on me too I guess - and would have raised the ones nature chose not to continue in my uterus. Lovingly, willingly, etc. But that would hardly make me a paragon - it just makes me a PARENT - which is what many women who choose abortion elect NOT TO BE.

You don't like it that there are women who choose not to be parents, and that they make sure they aren't by heading it off at the pass, but you are far from willing to be physically responsive to those wriggling little bits of life, beyond pontificating that those women should have given birth to them regardless.

I hope the medal you think you deserve for accepting motherhood, is forcibly embedded in your chest muscles, you blithering hypocrite. Just like the rest of the fetus sniffers out there, you are all talk, and no action.

And I seriously doubt you never complained about raising your own kids, either.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#250917 Mar 28, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>HA HA! June!
'Scrambled' like eggs! I saw that pun you added there.
You crazy nut!
Come on, don't be coy....June's starting to grow on you, I can tell.

She has on me too - sure, she's a little weird, but hey. Aren't we all???

I like her more every day.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#250918 Mar 28, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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Oh here we go, my favorite arguement.....there's no difference between a miscarriage (natural death) and an abortion (intentional killing), blah blah, blah.....
The governor of Indiana likes that one too. In fact, like you, he seems to favor it.

He has, for the last several years, championed legislation before their Congress, which would authorize the investigation and prosecution of, in the terms of the bill,'criminal miscarriage'.

That is, any pregnant woman whose fetus dies, and is documented, would be subject to an investigation of whether or not she acted in any way to jeopardize its life.

Seriously.

Please don't tell me this argument that "one is the same as the other," doesn't hold water - Sam Brownback is hauling his cow-pond around in it.

He's the Governor of a State, Sue. A whole lot of women live there. Perhaps you should be admonishing HIM.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#250919 Mar 28, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
These are just a few of the ones that we know about, but there's a lot morebut obviously with the [email protected] inspections that have been going on there are more that we don't hear about. Don't delude yourself, you don't care about women you only care about the abortions.
Do you believe that wider hallways will make women 'safer' during an abortion? The State of Virginia does, and has closed down women's health clinics which don't comply, even those which may just refer, rather than offer, abortion services. There is now only one clinic performing abortions in the State.

Do you agree with mandatory trans-vaginal probe sonograms, regardless of either the woman's legal rights to reject the procedure, or a doctor's medical opinion as to its necessity? Most States have laws against instrumental rape. Some mandate it (but just for certain pregnant women) instead.

Are you opposed to women having a full, factual, and thorough understanding, of all their options during a pregnancy? Crisis pregnancy centers are not. Declining to discuss abortion is in their charters.

Oh sure - you're ALL about the women.
Sing me another one, Sue.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#250920 Mar 28, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
Then maybe they shouldn't be having the abortion.
But definitively, they have the right to make the choice.

That some make choices which turn out to be poor for themselves, should not remove the right to make the choices.

And not everyone wants to commit suicide after an abortion, as you seem to think women should believe. Many (perhaps most) women only feel relief. Your insistence on guilt and shame as an effective deterrent to abortion, indicates that 'maybe' you should be minding your own business. You won't be the one raising that child. The woman shamed and guilted into giving birth to it will.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#250921 Mar 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Your view of the issue is very narrow and harshly judgmental.
From the book …“Abortion … by R. F. R. Gardner”… comes the following….first published in 1972.
Mrs. B. is a twenty-seven-year-old woman who has had four pregnancies. The first baby was stillborn, being grossly abnormal: a hydrocephalic. The second child, now aged six years, suffers from a blood disease and has to go into the hospital at frequent intervals for blood transfusion. Her third child has a spina bifida and the fourth child is a spastic, now aged eighteen months, who was unable to control his bowels. Her husband is a clerk and has been preparing for professional examinations, but has had to abandon these in order to help his wife with the family. It is now five weeks since her last period and she finds she cannot face the eight months of waiting, wondering if the child is going to be normal. In addition, she fears that she will be unable to cope with another baby in view of her present commitments.
So why keep getting pregnant? This is the twenty first century and no one needs to get pregnant if they don't want to. Are they just dumb?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#250922 Mar 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really have to belittle women so much as to imply they don't know that the cells in wombs are in the shape of fetuses???
They aren't in the shape of a fetus, theyARE a fetus. Your own offspring. If you don't even know that how can I assume someone else does?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#250923 Mar 28, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
Then maybe they shouldn't be having the abortion.
Those are the women who really suffer after. I think they should be given a reason to change their minds.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#250924 Mar 28, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
But from their point of view ... they should have the abortions, or they wouldn't have the abortions.
You are not in their lives and have no idea why they are making such decisions ... and furthermore, you don't care why, as you are having too much pleasure by judging them.
The worse thing is to judge yourself and the women who know that killing their baby is wrong will suffer greatly if they go through with it. Having a baby is not the worse thing that can happen to you, sometimes guilt is worse.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#250925 Mar 28, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Come on, don't be coy....June's starting to grow on you, I can tell.
She has on me too - sure, she's a little weird, but hey. Aren't we all???
I like her more every day.
June is highly intelligent and can back up everything she says. She also has a great personality.(She's probably tired of my compliments, but I NEVER give false ones.) June knows her stuff and a lot can be learned from her.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#250926 Mar 28, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't talking about your unplanned pregnancies, woman. I was talking about the results of the unplanned pregnancies of others, for whom YOU would prefer to have made the reproductive choices, so that these others would have given birth, rather than had an abortion. I was talking about your supposed concern for the babies born alive after some of those abortions, and its manifestation in your actions (or the lack thereof). I was talking about refraining from complaint about financially supporting those abandoned kids, through your contributions to that support in the form of taxes. But of course you already knew that.
None of my pregnancies were 'planned' either - they occurred in spite of my deliberate and consistent use of contraception, one and all. I raised the ones I gave birth to as well - gee, pin a medal on me too I guess - and would have raised the ones nature chose not to continue in my uterus. Lovingly, willingly, etc. But that would hardly make me a paragon - it just makes me a PARENT - which is what many women who choose abortion elect NOT TO BE.
You don't like it that there are women who choose not to be parents, and that they make sure they aren't by heading it off at the pass, but you are far from willing to be physically responsive to those wriggling little bits of life, beyond pontificating that those women should have given birth to them regardless.
I hope the medal you think you deserve for accepting motherhood, is forcibly embedded in your chest muscles, you blithering hypocrite. Just like the rest of the fetus sniffers out there, you are all talk, and no action.
And I seriously doubt you never complained about raising your own kids, either.
Was it having children that turned you into a bitter old crone or were you like that before?
Economist

Buffalo, NY

#250927 Mar 28, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Was it having children that turned you into a bitter old crone or were you like that before?
Inky

The old cracked pot is talking back to the oracle

and asking a pejorative question,

if you know what I mean.

I doubt it.
Economist

Buffalo, NY

#250928 Mar 28, 2013
Loving Uganda to Death: The Global Reach of Far-Right Christian Hatred By PETER MONTGOMERY

While conservative evangelical and Catholic leaders complain loudly about the “persecution” they suffer in the United States, the culture wars they are igniting and supporting around the world subject LGBT people and their allies to very real persecution.

The role that American religious right leaders have played in fomenting anti-gay bigotry in Uganda has been well-documented, but never before with the emotional punch delivered by God Loves Uganda, a new documentary by Academy Award-winning director Roger Ross Williams that premiered at this year’s Sundance Film Festival.

“I love Uganda,” says Kapya Koama in the film’s opening words. But,“something frightening is happening that has the potential to destroy Uganda.”

Filmmaker Williams was given remarkable access to leaders and missionaries affiliated with the International House of Prayer (IHOP) movement based in Kansas City, and he makes the most of it. Dominionist Lou Engle describes Africa as a “firepot of spiritual renewal and revival,” and be believes Uganda has a special prophetic destiny. Engle has tried to distance himself somewhat from the infamous “kill the gays” bill that is pending in Uganda’s legislature, but here he is on film, at his TheCall rally in Uganda, standing with speakers calling for passage of the bill.

Engle tells the crowd he was “called” to encourage the Ugandan church for taking a stand for righteousness in the face of pressure from the United Nations and non-governmental aid organizations. Uganda, he says, is “ground zero.” The film also includes footage of Engle’s pro-Prop. 8 rally in California at which he warned that allowing same-sex couples to get married would unleash “sexual insanity” and a spirit “more demonic than Islam.”

Williams does not delve deeply into IHOP’s dominionist worldview, but IHOP officials tell him about the ambitious goals they have for their 1,000-person staff: a vision of one million new Christian soldiers who will win one billion souls—and raising one trillion dollars to make it happen. They tell young followers,“You’re going to take over the world by the power of the Holy Spirit.”
Economist

Buffalo, NY

#250929 Mar 28, 2013
Cont:

It’s clear that much of the power American culture warriors have in Uganda comes from the money their ministries pour into the country along with their missionaries. At the massive Miracle Center Cathedral, the biggest megachurch in Uganda, the high-living pastor is quite frank that “American money helped us build this church,” adding,“whatever you see here is the fruit of American labor.” In another clip, a pastor marvels that aid from U.S. evangelicals increased threefold when they started attacking homosexuality. Churches’ financial success brings added clout to anti-gay pastors like Martin Ssempa—who drives his congregation into a frenzy by showing explicit and extreme gay pornography—and the politicians allied with them, like David Bahati, the sponsor of the kill-the-gays bill.

Also appearing in the film is American anti-gay activist Scott Lively, who blames homosexuals for the Nazi movement and Holocaust. In the U.S., Lively is a marginalized and discredited figure, but in Uganda, he has not only had the platform of Martin Ssempa’s TV show, he was invited to speak before the Parliament. Lively has been working for years to convince people in Uganda and other countries that gay people are out to recruit their children and destroy their societies. Lively prays that Uganda will be the first country to stop them. Many politicians and preachers have taken up that challenge. At one rally a speaker asks for a show of hands—who’s willing to go kill gay people?

One loving religious voice in the film belongs to Bishop Christopher Senyonjo, whose public support for LGBT people cost him his position in the Church of Uganda. Ugandan gay rights activist David Kato was murdered while the film was being made; at Kato’s funeral, when the presiding pastor began denouncing homosexuality and causing a commotion, Senyonjo went to Kato’s graveside with the activist’s friends and assured them that God knew and loved David, and knows and loves them.

Williams spends a good amount of time with cheerful young IHOP missionaries who are sent to Uganda for a few months. They are having the adventure of a lifetime while serving orphans and preaching Jesus to people on the streets. But their missionary work and message comes with that clear threat of a lifetime in hell for nonbelievers. And their hearts appear hardened to the impact that their movement might be having on LGBT people in Uganda. The film follows one young missionary, Jesse Digges, and his wife Rachelle. At one point the filmmaker asks them about the anti-homosexuality law. Their smiles stiffen, and they say they don’t really know what’s in the law. Whether or not you believe them, their lack of concern, or willful ignorance, comes across as shameful. They portray controversy over the legislation as a Western media creation. But the documentary’s footage of anti-gay histrionics at churches, rallies, and on the floor of the parliament make it clear that the threat is all too real.

Joanna Watson, a longtime missionary in Uganda affiliated with IHOP, says she was attracted to women when she was younger but that she was healed. She tells pastors-in-training that people have a choice to resist the desires of the flesh and she urges them not to “walk in compromise.” She is seen in the documentary saying it is right for the government to outlaw homosexuality.
Economist

Buffalo, NY

#250930 Mar 28, 2013
Cont:

Getting American evangelicals to consider the impact of their words and deeds is a major goal for director Williams. In recent weeks he has screened the film at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena and in New York.*

At Fuller, he says, people were sharply critical of IHOP’s training and missionary style. The people at IHOP, he said, are planning to release a statement in response to the film. While he knows the people running IHOP are not going to change their view of the Bible, Williams hopes they may be able to agree on a human rights perspective, and rethink how they go into countries and deliver their message. Engle did not attend the screening at IHOP, but Williams says Engle told him he thinks going to Uganda was the worst decision he has ever made.

At screenings of God Loves Uganda at the Creating Change conference in January and at the Human Rights Campaign headquarters in March, the film generated strong emotional responses. At the HRC screening, Albert Ogle of St. Paul’s Foundation for International Reconciliation asked the crowd of activists and government and NGO staff,“Why has it taken us so long to expose this poison?”

Williams says he is encouraged by the kinds of conversations that God Loves Uganda is provoking, and he is excited that hundreds of churches—affirming and not—have inquired about holding screenings and hopes that number will continue to grow. He believes that seeing and hearing these stories can change people’s hearts. He says he was changed in the process of making the movie; getting to know some of the missionaries and IHOP staff as people made it harder to think of them as simply “evil fundamentalists.” And, he says, that after spending so much time with missionary Joanna Watson, he has come to consider her a friend. He says she recently told him that getting to know him has changed her as well, and that she no longer believes gays should be imprisoned.

While God Loves Uganda is a powerful look at the impact that anti-gay evangelizing is having in that country, it is of course a much larger phenomenon. The Center for Constitutional Rights, which has brought a novel lawsuit against Lively for what it calls his conspiracy to deprive LGBT people in Uganda of their fundamental rights, notes that Lively is proud that his work has been characterized as “a nuclear bomb” against gay rights in Uganda. He says “I hope the nuclear bomb spreads across the whole world, against the gay movement.”

Researcher Kopya Koama, who narrates much of God Loves Uganda, authored Politicial Research Associates’ 2012 report,“Colonizing African Values: How the U.S. Christian Right is Transforming Politics in Africa,” which among other things examines the African activities of the American Center for Law and Justice, the legal organization established by Pat Robertson and run by Jay Sekulow with the assistance of his son Jordan.

A more recent article by PRA researcher Jandira Queiroz discusses the launch of the ACLJ’s Brazilian branch and the growing political power of Brazil’s evangelical minority which is resisting efforts to expand legal protections for LGBT people; Queiroz wrote recently in RD about the selection of an anti-gay Pentecostal minister as the head of the Brazilian House of Representatives’ Human Rights and Minorities Commission.

AND THEY SAY THEIR GOD IS LOVE--FOR SHAME !! POWER HUNGRY VILLAINS

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#250931 Mar 28, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
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June is highly intelligent and can back up everything she says. She also has a great personality.(She's probably tired of my compliments, but I NEVER give false ones.) June knows her stuff and a lot can be learned from her.
I sense a lot of jealousy here!
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#250932 Mar 28, 2013
Tomorrow marks the day that the Lord died for our sins. Remember that.

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