Catholic Church Waging War on Women and Gays

[June VanDerMark]

Practitioners

[June VanDerMark]

They created gods and goddesses as male and female.

Had the ancients all been hermaphrodites, my guess is, the deities would also have been created in the images of hermaphrodites.

[Jumper]

June VanDerMark wrote:

They created gods and goddesses as male and female.
Had the ancients all been hermaphrodites, my guess is, the deities would also have been created in the images of hermaphrodites.

A big mouth is a big mouth no matter the question of gender.

[svaha]

June VanDerMark wrote:

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You don't believe me, because I no longer adhere to your god of unconditional love dogma.
You had no problem "believing me" when I agree with you. After I disagree ... you started calling me a fanatic, an extremist and mentally ill.
That means if people agree with you ... you don't perceive them as fanatic, etremists or mentally ill.
So, does that make YOU a fanatic???

so what's the difference between your "unconditional love" and Daystorm's "conditional love". What's the difference between him screaming "repent" and your screaming "repent"?. By the way, your "mental illness" is your problem. Deal with it or don't but stop whining about other people NOTICING IT.

[truth]

perent
are you for sure
in game of letters
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

[truth]

parents=holy family

Why holy family don't have man and woman and child..
Who try say deference?

Someone who curse themself.
Who is that secret org. asked yourself?

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

Bitner didn't like that nasty old homophobic Catholic god.
She also didn't like Gerald Gardner's nasty old and new homophobic goddess.
So Bitner went goddess shopping until she found the goddess of her dreams ... and she brought her goddess down from the moon into herself.
Now, because the goddess of her CHOICE is not homophobic, neither is Bitner homophobic ... Not one "BIT!"
How much magick was involved in THAT???
:)

Since it's all lies, the answer would be, none.

Why must you lie so much?

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Bull shit!!!
You want to make it so because YOU practise witchcraft.

Just more lies from you.

You're pathetic.

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

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No deflection.
I know that if he changed his story he would prove himself a liar!
He would have gone from claiming the goddess cursed homosexuals to claiming that she didn't curse homosexuals.
And that would be him exposing himself to a lie.
A Wiley witch such as you should admit to that fact. Otherwise YOU will appear as a liar!

It's you who is trying to change your story. That was not the point I answered to. It was you trying to pretend you know what he would think, and you don't. Period.

[June VanDerMark]

Bitner wrote:

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It's you who is trying to change your story. That was not the point I answered to. It was you trying to pretend you know what he would think, and you don't. Period.

If he insisted on being a Wiccan he would have NO other choice Bitner, but to claim the goddess is still on the same path of homophobia, or that she has now lightened up and loves homosexuals unconditionally!

Of course he COULD decide to leave religion entirely, or join another religion ... but if he stayed in Wicca ... those would be his only choices. And if he loved Wicca, as YOU love Wicca, he would no doubt be a Wiccan forever and ever and ever ... even in his next many, many incarnations.

The Summer lands are calling!

:)

[June VanDerMark]

Now here is where the issue becomes rather tricky.

If reincarnation is all about learning how to behave and respect others on earth, that might mean that Bitner in her next life will choose to come back in the mindset of a DayStorm, or a Peaches, or even me ... "goddess forbid" ... so that she learns to not refer to others as mentally ill when they disagree with her.

Striving to be enlightened seems to be rather a difficult task in deed!

:)

[June VanDerMark]

svaha wrote:

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so what's the difference between your "unconditional love" and Daystorm's "conditional love". What's the difference between him screaming "repent" and your screaming "repent"?. By the way, your "mental illness" is your problem. Deal with it or don't but stop whining about other people NOTICING IT.

Are you soon going to write a thesis on how to avoid mental illness???

I suggest you keep your day job.

:)

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

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If he insisted on being a Wiccan he would have NO other choice Bitner, but to claim the goddess is still on the same path of homophobia, or that she has now lightened up and loves homosexuals unconditionally!
Of course he COULD decide to leave religion entirely, or join another religion ... but if he stayed in Wicca ... those would be his only choices. And if he loved Wicca, as YOU love Wicca, he would no doubt be a Wiccan forever and ever and ever ... even in his next many, many incarnations.
The Summer lands are calling!
:)

Again, you're deflecting.

I'm not addressing his claim. I'm talking about YOU, and YOUR claim to what he would think. You don't KNOW what he would think. Period.

[June VanDerMark]

You see the pope has a different slant on the issue.

No-doubt he would refer to me as EVIL, and use the devil as "his" scapegoat.

That way the onus is not ON the pope. Everything can be blamed on the devil ... except of course his own dalliances in "sin." Jesus takes care of those "misdemeanors."

Of course the pope won't BE reincarnating, so when he flies off to heaven, his job is finished. He has no need to come back and face karmic debt.

Why Bitner would choose to go to the Summer lands and back to earth again and again and again ... when she could have stayed a Catholic, had faith in Jesus and gone straight to heaven is a mystery to me.

It seems that unlike the pope, she wants to learn all about karma and extensive debt.

:)

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

Now here is where the issue becomes rather tricky.
If reincarnation is all about learning how to behave and respect others on earth, that might mean that Bitner in her next life will choose to come back in the mindset of a DayStorm, or a Peaches, or even me ... "goddess forbid" ... so that she learns to not refer to others as mentally ill when they disagree with her.
Striving to be enlightened seems to be rather a difficult task in deed!
:)

I don't refer to someone as mentally ill just because they disagree with me. I refer to someone as mentally ill when they exhibit signs of mental illness. Stating what I believe to be true does not hurt my Karma.

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

You see the pope has a different slant on the issue.
No-doubt he would refer to me as EVIL, and use the devil as "his" scapegoat.
That way the onus is not ON the pope. Everything can be blamed on the devil ... except of course his own dalliances in "sin." Jesus takes care of those "misdemeanors."
Of course the pope won't BE reincarnating, so when he flies off to heaven, his job is finished. He has no need to come back and face karmic debt.
Why Bitner would choose to go to the Summer lands and back to earth again and again and again ... when she could have stayed a Catholic, had faith in Jesus and gone straight to heaven is a mystery to me.
It seems that unlike the pope, she wants to learn all about karma and extensive debt.
:)

It has nothing to do with "extensive debt". That is just one of the many things you state about my position that are not true at all.

And since I've TOLD you this many times, you misstating my position AGAIN, is just another lie from you.

You lying sack of shit.

[Bitner]

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Are you soon going to write a thesis on how to avoid mental illness???
I suggest you keep your day job.
:)

What's the matter, Fraud, can't answer the question. I understand, there IS no difference between Daystorm trying to convert everyone to his way of thinking, and YOU doing the very same thing. But, you can't admit that.

[truth]

Liar can wrote what ever any document..never call stupid.

[June VanDerMark]

If people had been on the ball, they could have created one hermaphrodite god to serve male and female all in one package.

A hermaphrodite deity would have good self-esteem without being arrogant, and most certainly wouldn't look down on females as subservient to males, as the female part of the deity wouldn't put up with such shenanigans.

But humans are picky. Males wanted the male gods to rule ... and so it came to pass, that through most of history, male gods took center stage and the goddesses knew their places were in the kitchen scrubbing pots and pans and making little gods for upcoming wars.

The human deity-creators messed up big time, and many just won't admit it.

They keep on feeding the male and female gods that they created and they refuse to set those self-centered gods free.

[June VanDerMark]

Bitner wrote:

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What's the matter, Fraud, can't answer the question. I understand, there IS no difference between Daystorm trying to convert everyone to his way of thinking, and YOU doing the very same thing. But, you can't admit that.

AHHH Bitner ... you KNOW that if you could, you would convert the Frosts to be REAL Wiccans so that you would no longer have to refer to them as "raving lunatics."

It's plain that you would rather NOT refer to them as raving lunatics, as you are above that type of behavior.

:)