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Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238164 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not my fault you don't understand the meanings of so many words, or how they apply to certain concepts.
ARE all gods divine, or aren't they Bitner? Your words stated that all gods are divine.

“Blessed Be”

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#238165 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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ARE all gods divine, or aren't they Bitner? Your words stated that all gods are divine.
Yes I did. It's the nature of all Gods. Feel free to look up the meanings of the word Divine.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238166 Oct 12, 2012
I just went back on this thread and studied some more about when things started to go sour for me with Bitner.

I was posting to Kathwyn, another Wiccan, when Bitner jumped in. Notice how she "forewarns" me with the words, "We've always gotten along just fine."
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November 23, 2010

Post # 154067 Page # 6397

June VanDerMark wrote:
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If, as a Wiccan you want to pray, pray to your heart's content.
If I want to critisize all religion, I will critisize to my heart's content.
That is the nature of forums.


Bitnerís reply to me

The trouble June, is you lumping all religions together as though they are the same. They are not. There are religions that don't proselytize, that don't try to convert by force or fear, that acknowledge that there are many paths not just one, that are not intolerant of those perceived as different.

Yes, they are all cults. Yes, they are meaningful to their adherents. No, they are not all corrupt, nor do they all seek to control everyone.

We've always gotten along just fine. I understand where you're coming from. I just wish you wouldn't paint us all with the same broad brush. I'm sure Kathwynn feels the same.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238167 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
I just went back on this thread and studied some more about when things started to go sour for me with Bitner.
I was posting to Kathwyn, another Wiccan, when Bitner jumped in. Notice how she "forewarns" me with the words, "We've always gotten along just fine."
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November 23, 2010
Post # 154067 Page # 6397
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If, as a Wiccan you want to pray, pray to your heart's content.
If I want to critisize all religion, I will critisize to my heart's content.
That is the nature of forums.
Bitnerís reply to me
The trouble June, is you lumping all religions together as though they are the same. They are not. There are religions that don't proselytize, that don't try to convert by force or fear, that acknowledge that there are many paths not just one, that are not intolerant of those perceived as different.
Yes, they are all cults. Yes, they are meaningful to their adherents. No, they are not all corrupt, nor do they all seek to control everyone.
We've always gotten along just fine. I understand where you're coming from. I just wish you wouldn't paint us all with the same broad brush. I'm sure Kathwynn feels the same.
Thank you, for proving that I asked nicely, and that I only ever asked you to stop painting all religions with the same broad brush. You can stop pretending it wasn't you who "went for blood" first.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238168 Oct 12, 2012
And now I understand from study that Wiccans DO proselytize, and I percieve that if they got power over others, they would be just as mean as any other group of religious know-it-alls.

I didn't agree with DayStorm's religious nonsense, but I comprehend that HE believes it, and was honest in his certainty that if he didn't rebuke "sinners" we would all burn in hell.

The way I perceive the issue is, if Bitner had her way, she wouldn't care to learn "why" DayStorm believes what he believes, but simply (if she could) would silence DayStorm and gleefully carry on preaching about the tolerance of Wiccans.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238169 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I did. It's the nature of all Gods. Feel free to look up the meanings of the word Divine.
Of course you will be certain to find other meanings that suit you, but I believe that divine does not include a god that would create evil.

a. Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent: a divine performance of the concerto.
b. Extremely pleasant; delightful: had a divine time at the ball.
4. Heavenly; perfect.
n.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/divine

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238170 Oct 12, 2012
So if Bitner has faith that gods create evil, then she must also include that her goddess could be of the nature of evil, as were those old pagan deities.

I don't think Starhawk or Kathwynn would agree.

It's not "new age"-religion to worship evil gods or goddesses.

That only fits the old warn-out Abrahamic religions.

The new faddish-gods are loving entities, and you'd better "believe it."

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238171 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
And now I understand from study that Wiccans DO proselytize, and I percieve that if they got power over others, they would be just as mean as any other group of religious know-it-alls.
I didn't agree with DayStorm's religious nonsense, but I comprehend that HE believes it, and was honest in his certainty that if he didn't rebuke "sinners" we would all burn in hell.
The way I perceive the issue is, if Bitner had her way, she wouldn't care to learn "why" DayStorm believes what he believes, but simply (if she could) would silence DayStorm and gleefully carry on preaching about the tolerance of Wiccans.
And you'd be completely wrong. Wiccans do not proseltyze, I already know why Daystorm posts what he does, have no desire to silence him, and I do not preach. Challenging your lies and twists is not preaching.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238172 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you will be certain to find other meanings that suit you, but I believe that divine does not include a god that would create evil.
a. Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent: a divine performance of the concerto.
b. Extremely pleasant; delightful: had a divine time at the ball.
4. Heavenly; perfect.
n.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/divine
How typically dishonest of you to leave off the very first definition your own source gives;

"a. Having the nature of or being a deity."

All Gods are, by definition, divine. Deal with it.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238173 Oct 12, 2012
Those in the Abrahamic religions are having real problems. They originally created their gods as nasty beings that would punish, and it's tough when you're continually in the limelight to morph nasty gods into loving gods.

The modern Pagans faded out through history, so when they came back on the religious scene with their loving gods, most people hadn't studied the old Pagan gods to comprehend that (according to the human authors) the old gods demanded animal and human sacrifices to appease the gods' blood-lust natures.

But I DID study those old Pagan gods, and they were NOT all fluff and candy as the modern Pagans such as Wiccans teach is the case.

Shysters come in all shades of grey, and are not loaded with light as they would like people to believe.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238174 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
So if Bitner has faith that gods create evil, then she must also include that her goddess could be of the nature of evil, as were those old pagan deities.
I don't think Starhawk or Kathwynn would agree.
It's not "new age"-religion to worship evil gods or goddesses.
That only fits the old warn-out Abrahamic religions.
The new faddish-gods are loving entities, and you'd better "believe it."
The Gods created everything. "Evil" is merely a human perception of the negative that affects us personally. There are no "evil" Gods in that case, as the Gods encompass all. There is no doubt in my mind that both Kathwyn and Starhawk would agree with that assessment. But if you don't believe that, the next time you see them, you can ask them.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238175 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
And you'd be completely wrong. Wiccans do not proseltyze,
YES ... they DO! I know one personally that proselytzes and I have brought up many on forums that admit they had Wiccan friends who encouraged them to read literature and come to Wiccan get-togethers.

I understand you adhere to your cult Bitner, but lying is not prophet-able.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238176 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
The Gods created everything. "Evil" is merely a human perception of the negative that affects us personally. There are no "evil" Gods in that case, as the Gods encompass all. There is no doubt in my mind that both Kathwyn and Starhawk would agree with that assessment. But if you don't believe that, the next time you see them, you can ask them.
Gods ARE human perceptions, and through imagination, humans created the natures of the gods.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238177 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
How typically dishonest of you to leave off the very first definition your own source gives;
"a. Having the nature of or being a deity."
All Gods are, by definition, divine. Deal with it.
Words have meaning ... stated Bitner!
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The Use and Misuse of Language Ö edited by S. I. Hayakawa.

General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238178 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Those in the Abrahamic religions are having real problems. They originally created their gods as nasty beings that would punish, and it's tough when you're continually in the limelight to morph nasty gods into loving gods.
The modern Pagans faded out through history, so when they came back on the religious scene with their loving gods, most people hadn't studied the old Pagan gods to comprehend that (according to the human authors) the old gods demanded animal and human sacrifices to appease the gods' blood-lust natures.
But I DID study those old Pagan gods, and they were NOT all fluff and candy as the modern Pagans such as Wiccans teach is the case.
Shysters come in all shades of grey, and are not loaded with light as they would like people to believe.
Your dishonesty is showing again.

One, MANY people had already studied ancient Pagan religions, or YOU couldn't have found any information on them.

Two, you are taking Wicca, and applying it to ALL modern Pagan religions. Not all modern Pagans are Wiccan, and many of them do not follow or teach what Wicca teaches. Nor does Wicca teach that the ancient Pagan Gods were "all fluff and candy". Some Wiccans might think so, but that is not a teaching of Wicca. Apparenlty your "study" of "modern Pagan religions" is woefully incomplete.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238179 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
YES ... they DO! I know one personally that proselytzes and I have brought up many on forums that admit they had Wiccan friends who encouraged them to read literature and come to Wiccan get-togethers.
I understand you adhere to your cult Bitner, but lying is not prophet-able.
I doubt any Wiccan would put up with your nonsense long enough to remain friends with you.

Still, answering questions, or telling someone where to find out information is not proselytizing. You want to pretend that Wiccans just do this out of the blue, without someone asking first. As I said, Wiccans don't seek converts, people find Wicca.

I am not lying.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238180 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Gods ARE human perceptions, and through imagination, humans created the natures of the gods.
You're deflecting again.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238181 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Words have meaning ... stated Bitner!
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The Use and Misuse of Language Ö edited by S. I. Hayakawa.
General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.
Yes, words have meanings. And YOU ignored the very first meaning deliberately to try to prove me wrong. It shows your basic dishonesty, and backfired on you, but that's not my problem.

The Gods are, by definition, divine.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238182 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner's preference is to use the term divine in THIS context.

a. Having the nature of or being a deity.

But the natures of the deities is the context that indicates whether they are divine or cruel.

RIGHT Bitner???

Bitner is a master at word-trickery.

That's why she enjoys being a witch.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238183 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I doubt any Wiccan would put up with your nonsense long enough to remain friends with you.
We got along just fine until I studied the old and the new Pagan religions and since then "every one" of your posts to me (barring none) have been filled with venom.

That is how I came to understand that Wiccans are just mortal selfish humans as are the rest of us.

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