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Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238176 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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The Gods created everything. "Evil" is merely a human perception of the negative that affects us personally. There are no "evil" Gods in that case, as the Gods encompass all. There is no doubt in my mind that both Kathwyn and Starhawk would agree with that assessment. But if you don't believe that, the next time you see them, you can ask them.
Gods ARE human perceptions, and through imagination, humans created the natures of the gods.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238177 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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How typically dishonest of you to leave off the very first definition your own source gives;
"a. Having the nature of or being a deity."
All Gods are, by definition, divine. Deal with it.
Words have meaning ... stated Bitner!
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The Use and Misuse of Language … edited by S. I. Hayakawa.

General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238178 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Those in the Abrahamic religions are having real problems. They originally created their gods as nasty beings that would punish, and it's tough when you're continually in the limelight to morph nasty gods into loving gods.
The modern Pagans faded out through history, so when they came back on the religious scene with their loving gods, most people hadn't studied the old Pagan gods to comprehend that (according to the human authors) the old gods demanded animal and human sacrifices to appease the gods' blood-lust natures.
But I DID study those old Pagan gods, and they were NOT all fluff and candy as the modern Pagans such as Wiccans teach is the case.
Shysters come in all shades of grey, and are not loaded with light as they would like people to believe.
Your dishonesty is showing again.

One, MANY people had already studied ancient Pagan religions, or YOU couldn't have found any information on them.

Two, you are taking Wicca, and applying it to ALL modern Pagan religions. Not all modern Pagans are Wiccan, and many of them do not follow or teach what Wicca teaches. Nor does Wicca teach that the ancient Pagan Gods were "all fluff and candy". Some Wiccans might think so, but that is not a teaching of Wicca. Apparenlty your "study" of "modern Pagan religions" is woefully incomplete.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238179 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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YES ... they DO! I know one personally that proselytzes and I have brought up many on forums that admit they had Wiccan friends who encouraged them to read literature and come to Wiccan get-togethers.
I understand you adhere to your cult Bitner, but lying is not prophet-able.
I doubt any Wiccan would put up with your nonsense long enough to remain friends with you.

Still, answering questions, or telling someone where to find out information is not proselytizing. You want to pretend that Wiccans just do this out of the blue, without someone asking first. As I said, Wiccans don't seek converts, people find Wicca.

I am not lying.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238180 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Gods ARE human perceptions, and through imagination, humans created the natures of the gods.
You're deflecting again.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238181 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Words have meaning ... stated Bitner!
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The Use and Misuse of Language … edited by S. I. Hayakawa.
General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.
Yes, words have meanings. And YOU ignored the very first meaning deliberately to try to prove me wrong. It shows your basic dishonesty, and backfired on you, but that's not my problem.

The Gods are, by definition, divine.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238182 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner's preference is to use the term divine in THIS context.

a. Having the nature of or being a deity.

But the natures of the deities is the context that indicates whether they are divine or cruel.

RIGHT Bitner???

Bitner is a master at word-trickery.

That's why she enjoys being a witch.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238183 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I doubt any Wiccan would put up with your nonsense long enough to remain friends with you.
We got along just fine until I studied the old and the new Pagan religions and since then "every one" of your posts to me (barring none) have been filled with venom.

That is how I came to understand that Wiccans are just mortal selfish humans as are the rest of us.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238184 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I doubt any Wiccan would put up with your nonsense long enough to remain friends with you.
Still, answering questions, or telling someone where to find out information is not proselytizing. You want to pretend that Wiccans just do this out of the blue, without someone asking first. As I said, Wiccans don't seek converts, people find Wicca.
I am not lying.
This is proselytizing
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Gerald B. Gardner … Witchcraft Today … 2004.

The Wiccan Future: A Campus Viewpoint by Tara Nelsen

I was recently invited to speak about Wicca and Paganism at a local high school class on ethics and religious diversity. This town is a small community, deep in the Bible Belt. The class was created in response to a community-wide controversy surrounding the posting of the Ten Commandments inside the public school. I felt it was an opportunity to tell local youth the truth about Paganism and to express the fact that there are many different religious beliefs held in their own community.

“How many of you had heard of Wicca or Paganism before taking this class?” I watched in amazement as more than half the class raised their hands. It wasn’t like this when I started on my path. This particular community was not only predominantly Christian but very fundamentalist and right-wing beliefs. These students were raised to be very closed-minded and had less than average exposure to the diversity of the world. That was my presumption. Over the years, something has changed.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238185 Oct 12, 2012
Gerald Gardner implied that the witches like to be secret, but that is silly nonsense.

Those who are proud of their religion want to share it with others.

There's no question about that!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238186 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Bitner's preference is to use the term divine in THIS context.
a. Having the nature of or being a deity.
But the natures of the deities is the context that indicates whether they are divine or cruel.
RIGHT Bitner???
Bitner is a master at word-trickery.
That's why she enjoys being a witch.
Wrong again. There was no trickery on my part. That was YOU deliberately leaving off the very first definition that your own source gave, because it proved my statement right.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238187 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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This is proselytizing
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Gerald B. Gardner … Witchcraft Today … 2004.
The Wiccan Future: A Campus Viewpoint by Tara Nelsen
I was recently invited to speak about Wicca and Paganism at a local high school class on ethics and religious diversity. This town is a small community, deep in the Bible Belt. The class was created in response to a community-wide controversy surrounding the posting of the Ten Commandments inside the public school. I felt it was an opportunity to tell local youth the truth about Paganism and to express the fact that there are many different religious beliefs held in their own community.
“How many of you had heard of Wicca or Paganism before taking this class?” I watched in amazement as more than half the class raised their hands. It wasn’t like this when I started on my path. This particular community was not only predominantly Christian but very fundamentalist and right-wing beliefs. These students were raised to be very closed-minded and had less than average exposure to the diversity of the world. That was my presumption. Over the years, something has changed.
LOL, you DO realize that you just proved my point, right?

She was ASKED to come speak by the community, and half of the student body had ALREADY heard of Wicca.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238188 Oct 12, 2012
When parents indoctrinate their children to Wicca ... THAT is also proselytizing.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238189 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Gerald Gardner implied that the witches like to be secret, but that is silly nonsense.
Those who are proud of their religion want to share it with others.
There's no question about that!
Gardner was referring to the witches who came before him.

Again, Wiccans don't seek converts, people seek Wicca. Answering the questions of those who are asking, is not proseltyzing. It is not an attempt to convert.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238190 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Wrong again. There was no trickery on my part. That was YOU deliberately leaving off the very first definition that your own source gave, because it proved my statement right.
The conversation started out in the context of whether gods are divine or cruel, and you swung it into another context entirely.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238191 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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We got along just fine until I studied the old and the new Pagan religions and since then "every one" of your posts to me (barring none) have been filled with venom.
That is how I came to understand that Wiccans are just mortal selfish humans as are the rest of us.
June, we'd had many conversations about Wicca prior to your coming back. Stop acting like you knew nothing about it beforehand.

Yes, we got along just fine when you really WHERE being fair and rational. Since you came back, you've been neither. You didn't start "studying" Wicca at that point. That was when you started "diggin for dirt", and all because I NICELY asked you not to paint all religions with the same broad brush. Then YOU went for blood.

When have I EVER claimed not to be a mortal, selfish human, June. When did I EVER claim that Wiccans are anything but?

You continue to prove that you can't be honest about this.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238192 Oct 12, 2012
Ah, before June has a cow, that would be WERE, not WHERE.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238193 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
When parents indoctrinate their children to Wicca ... THAT is also proselytizing.
LOL, complete nonsense. What a twisted liar you are.

Still what's YOUR solution, remove children from their religious parents? Make it illegal to teach them religion? Come on, let's hear your solution.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238194 Oct 12, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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The conversation started out in the context of whether gods are divine or cruel, and you swung it into another context entirely.
Cruel is not the opposite of Divine. It's not an either/or. And that WAS my point. I'm sorry you didn't get it. Instead of persuing the line of thought that came in sequence, YOU are the one who took it in a new direction, that of accusing me of NOT considering the God of Christianity to be divine.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238196 Oct 12, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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June, we'd had many conversations about Wicca prior to your coming back. Stop acting like you knew nothing about it beforehand.
We got along fine when I was asking you questions about Wicca. But when I started going to sites where other Wiccans were posting, THAT irritated the be-jeepers out of you.

You wanted to be my teacher ... but I didn't sit in the desk as would an "obedient" student.

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