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“Blessed Be”

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#237946 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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If you and Bitner don't care, why are both here arguing and defending Paganism as being of value?
Neither one of you defended the Christians who have every right to believe in hell and to believe that both of you and I are going there.
I defend it against lies. I don't care if you "value" it.

Of course the Christians have every right to believe in hell. I never said otherwise. And I have every right to debate with them.

“Blessed Be”

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#237947 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
When I was a bigot to the Christians Svaha and Bitner actually respected my beliefs.
My ... how things changed once I started studying the Pagan beliefs.
Note how Svaha was SO nice to me back then, as we were against the Frank, Mary, Cruzader, etc.
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November 20, 2010
Post # 153702 Page 6488
Svaha wrote:
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It does seem the crazies follow you around from thread to thread with no other intent but to harass. Not like they contribute anything meaningful to the debate:-)
My response to Svaha
It is not a pleasant thought for me to believe I attract those who are crazy!
June, you're STILL a bigot to the Christians. Some of them are also bigots. I used to respect YOU, when you WERE fairly seeing things. You ALSO knew then that not all Christians were the same. And no, it had nothing to do with you "studying" anything. You DON'T "study". You search for things to prove your agenda. There's a difference. Your desperation to prove that all religions are the same as the one you hate has turned you into a liar and a fraud.

“Blessed Be”

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#237948 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Back then Svaha actually seemed a lot like DayStorm in "reverse."
But Svaha is very respectful now of Christians, and you better believe it, and because they are so respectful of other people's beliefs, Svaha and Bitner demand the same of me.
OH ... that I could be that wonderful.
Hahahahahaha
You're lying again, June.

“Blessed Be”

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#237949 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
You can bet that there are 13 and 14 year old girls that are already in Wicca reading this sexual pornographic material and believing that a goddess and god approve.
People have no right to preach that gods or goddesses approve or disapprove of any human behavior. Yet they take it AS their right, and claim that what they preach IS right.
From my perspective they are liars "dressed" in god-garb!
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Wiccan Sex
The Great Rite is a ceremony where two people take the charge of the Goddess and the Horned God--I'll say! Traditionally, the Goddess then lies on the floor with arms and legs outstretched in the form of a pentagram.
Sex is performed in the manner preferred by the chosen couple, though usually the interaction is highly charged--often taking on a life of it's own. One of those times when the whole is far greater than the sum of its parts. It's the two of you plus a generous helping of one or more ethereal entities: Gods and Goddesses, typically divine but sometimes extremely profane.
http://spells-witchcraft.org/wiccan-sex.htm
People have a right to their beliefs, June. Just as you do.

Your bigotry is showing again.

“Blessed Be”

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#237950 Oct 11, 2012
Svaha wrote:
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lol, like Daystorm, it's everyone ELSES fault the world is like it is. Now, like daystorm, you're harping on other peoples sexuality. How very, um, "christian" of you june and what's next, gay sex?:-)
Exactly. She will never understand that SHE is the one who changed, and that our responses to her merely reflect those changes in her.

“Blessed Be”

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#237951 Oct 11, 2012
Svaha wrote:
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so what you're saying is that only atheists have sex correctly and for the correct reasons? That a woman's morality lies somewhere between her legs? Very "christian" of you June:-)
LOL, she's ridiculous. She'll take the opposite position from anyone who is religious, no matter what the subject is. And apparently thinks that only Atheists have "pure" motives.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237952 Oct 11, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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June, you're STILL a bigot to the Christians. Some of them are also bigots.
I'm a bigot to ALL religion. Since I left religion I never pretended otherwise.

I just take umbrage at you and Svaha suggesting that you are both NOT bigots.

I suggest you stop pretending otherwise, as it makes both of you appear as fools.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237953 Oct 11, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Your desperation to prove that all religions are the same as the one you hate has turned you into a liar and a fraud.
In that religions are all self-serving, they ARE the same.

Selfishness is the nature of ALL humans and when added to religion, it takes on that nature.

Wiccans put forth the idea that it's the goddess that approves of all forms of consensual sex.

The Christians put forth the idea that the god is against most types of sex.

Wiccans put forth the idea that the goddess loves every body.

The Christians put forth the idea that the god is very picky about who he loves and who will burn in hell.

I don't USE gods or goddesses to promote any idea. I simply admit that I am selfish and for the most part want things to go my way.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237954 Oct 11, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I defend it against lies. I don't care if you "value" it.
Of course the Christians have every right to believe in hell. I never said otherwise. And I have every right to debate with them.
Being that Wiccans believe most everything, it's impossible for you to claim what other Wiccans believe and that I am lying about your precious religion.

I agree that you have every right to debate, but claiming that I lie, just to defend what is indefensible gets tedious.

But do continue ... as you it show how you favor debates that go only in your favor.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237955 Oct 11, 2012
Svaha wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, like Daystorm, it's everyone ELSES fault the world is like it is. Now, like daystorm, you're harping on other peoples sexuality. How very, um, "christian" of you june and what's next, gay sex?:-)
You simply don't see that DayStorm was expressing his points of view, just as do you. That is how arrogant you are in your idea that you are not bigoted and don't value your own opinion equally as much as does DayStorm.

I don't have any problems with consensual sex. I DO have a problem with Wiccans using a goddess to claim that she is in favor of sex.

Wiccans do the same thing that the Christians do when they use a deity to promote how humans should behave.

Young Wiccans latch on to that idea and have sex willy nilly because they believe the goddess is "all for it."

Silly people and their silly dogmas!!!

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237956 Oct 11, 2012
Svaha wrote:
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so what you're saying is that only atheists have sex correctly and for the correct reasons? That a woman's morality lies somewhere between her legs? Very "christian" of you June:-)
Those are YOUR words ... not mine.

I could call you a liar, as is the continual habit of Bitner ... but I don't think you lied. I think you simply misunderstood my intentions.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237957 Oct 11, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Bigotry should bother everyone.
Does your own bigotry bother you?

:)

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237958 Oct 11, 2012
From their own opinions, are they both being truthful "and" respectful of each other's beliefs?

From my perspective, it's not possible to be respectful of other people's beliefs, while at the same time disagreeing WITH their beliefs.

People take offense the moment others disagree, and all respect goes out the window.

So I suggest that Svaha and Bitner stop preaching at DayStorm and I to learn respect. It's simply ridiculous!!!

If I couldnt take the heat, I would get off the forum! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>

December 3, 2010

Post # 157670 Page # 6575

chooselife wrote:
<quoted text>Because there is religion, is why you are surviving, maybe even why YOU are alive now.

Svaha’s answer to Chooselife

Only if you did what you were told and gave them all your money. Then maybe you had a chance. If not, you were tortured and burned at the stake. It's the christian way:-)

“Blessed Be”

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#237959 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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"I'm a bigot to ALL religion. Since I left religion I never pretended otherwise."

So that makes your bigotry acceptable?

"I just take umbrage at you and Svaha suggesting that you are both NOT bigots."

Giving bigots back what they give is different. I'm not the one who thinks parents shouldn't be allowed to teach their beliefs to their children, or that they should be prevented from adopting a child just because they are religious. The fact that you can't see that as the very same extremism as Christians who say couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt just because they are the same gender speaks volumes about you.

"I suggest you stop pretending otherwise, as it makes both of you appear as fools."

The only one looking foolish is the one who keeps contradicting herself depending on who she is talking to. And that is you.

“Blessed Be”

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#237960 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
In that religions are all self-serving, they ARE the same.
Selfishness is the nature of ALL humans and when added to religion, it takes on that nature.
Wiccans put forth the idea that it's the goddess that approves of all forms of consensual sex.
The Christians put forth the idea that the god is against most types of sex.
Wiccans put forth the idea that the goddess loves every body.
The Christians put forth the idea that the god is very picky about who he loves and who will burn in hell.
I don't USE gods or goddesses to promote any idea. I simply admit that I am selfish and for the most part want things to go my way.
What difference does it really make WHERE the concept of treating others the way you want to be treated comes from?

“Blessed Be”

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#237961 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Being that Wiccans believe most everything, it's impossible for you to claim what other Wiccans believe and that I am lying about your precious religion.
I agree that you have every right to debate, but claiming that I lie, just to defend what is indefensible gets tedious.
But do continue ... as you it show how you favor debates that go only in your favor.
I CAN speak for everything that pertains to being Wiccan. I make NO attempt to speak for those things that are open to interpretation by each Wiccan.

YOU are the one who tries to speak for ALL religious people, Fraud. You.

Yes, I CAN say when you are lying. And I will continue to do so.

I am not defending the indefensible. That is merely your opinion.

LOL, if I only wanted agreement, I wouldn't be here debating in the first place.

You're so foolish.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#237962 Oct 11, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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LOL, she's ridiculous. She'll take the opposite position from anyone who is religious, no matter what the subject is. And apparently thinks that only Atheists have "pure" motives.
I agree with ideas that suit my agenda, as do you. Since I left religion and since I have studied the Pagan religions, my ideas have certainly changed. I don't play to "personalities" and never have. I stick to ideas ONLY.

At no time have I ever indicated that Atheists or anyone has pure motives, as I believe all people are selfish ... but then you would NEVER lie ... would you Bitner?

“Blessed Be”

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#237963 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You simply don't see that DayStorm was expressing his points of view, just as do you. That is how arrogant you are in your idea that you are not bigoted and don't value your own opinion equally as much as does DayStorm.
I don't have any problems with consensual sex. I DO have a problem with Wiccans using a goddess to claim that she is in favor of sex.
Wiccans do the same thing that the Christians do when they use a deity to promote how humans should behave.
Young Wiccans latch on to that idea and have sex willy nilly because they believe the goddess is "all for it."
Silly people and their silly dogmas!!!
You're misrepresenting Wicca again. No surprise, coming as it does from someone as dishonest as you are.

“Blessed Be”

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#237964 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Those are YOUR words ... not mine.
I could call you a liar, as is the continual habit of Bitner ... but I don't think you lied. I think you simply misunderstood my intentions.
Your already stated intention is to make people see that "religion" is bad.

Just because a religion teaches a thing, doesn't make it wrong.

If Wicca taught what Christianity teaches about sex, you'd be whining like crazy about it. But it doesn't, and you're STILL whining.

Could it be because then you CAN'T claim all religions the same as the one you hate? Because then you CAN'T claim that you DON'T hate Christianity, and must make it seem like it's all religions? Because you must pretend that you're being fair?

Sorry, but anyone who would defends the rights of homosexuals to adopt, and then proclaims that they wouldn't adopt a child TO a gay couple JUST because they are also Christian, is anything BUT "fair".

You're a fraud, June.

“Blessed Be”

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#237965 Oct 11, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Does your own bigotry bother you?
:)
What bigotry? You mean my debating with bigots? Not the same thing. My intolerance for intolerance? Not the same thing. Insisting that you not lie about my arguments or religion? Not the same thing.

YOU are trying to deflect from your own bigotry, that's all.

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