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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238441 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I already answered it, but you don't like my answers, so as usual believe your own answers.
You lying sack of shit, you haven't answered it at all. You've avoided it.

Can you acknowledge the difference between teaching children that there is only one way to believe, and teaching them what you believe, what others believe, that there are people who don't believe, and encouraging them TO make up their own minds even as children?

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238442 Oct 13, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Which has nothing to do with my post.
It had everything to do with you claiming that guy had mental problems when he stated that pagans are taking the Christians to court!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238443 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
I wouldn't believe that a staunch Christian would not teach their children staunch Christianity. And I don't believe that a staunch Wiccan will teach other than Wicca to their children.
Bitner is one of the least open-minded people I have encountered on a forum.
I would rather converse with DayStorm. Although I believe his dogmas are ludicrous, he is completely honest and faithful to his set dogmas and spits them right out as he believes them.
Bitner won't share the supposed core beliefs of Wicca as it might appear she is proselytizing ... of all the silly excuses.
Bull. If I did share them, that would be the FIRST post of mine you'd drag out when I say I don't proselytize, and you know damned well you would.

Now, my question is not about me or my children. Are you AFRAID to answer it?

Can you acknowledge the difference between teaching children that there is only one way to believe, and teaching them what you believe, what others believe, that there are people who don't believe, and encouraging them TO make up their own minds even as children?

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238444 Oct 13, 2012
Maybe THIS is one of Bitner's core beliefs.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well obviously what you consider to be the "least amount of harm" is left to your own judgment, and that could be killing ten people rather than twelve.
As it is in any religion, it's open to the individual's interpretation.

Bitner’s response.

Exactly. Did you HAVE a point?

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238445 Oct 13, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Can you acknowledge the difference between teaching children that there is only one way to believe, and teaching them what you believe, what others believe, that there are people who don't believe, and encouraging them TO make up their own minds even as children?
Absolutely ... but that's not what people in religion do. They sway the children to the teacings within their own cults, as did you.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238446 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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It had everything to do with you claiming that guy had mental problems when he stated that pagans are taking the Christians to court!
That's not why I said he has mental problems. And that was NOT all he said. See, I TOLD you, you don't read your own damn sources. You're a fraud.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238447 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Maybe THIS is one of Bitner's core beliefs.
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Post # 213781 Page # 9366
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well obviously what you consider to be the "least amount of harm" is left to your own judgment, and that could be killing ten people rather than twelve.
As it is in any religion, it's open to the individual's interpretation.
Bitner’s response.
Exactly. Did you HAVE a point?
You're deflecting again.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238448 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Absolutely ... but that's not what people in religion do. They sway the children to the teacings within their own cults, as did you.
No, I did not. I DID, in fact teach them about my religion, teach them about other religions, taught them about Atheism, and told them that it was up to them to decide what was right for them. From the time they were very young. I did nothing to sway them, and encouraged them to listen to their hearts.

“Make time ”

Since: Sep 09

for contemplation

#238449 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I didn't search all the posts Aged, and I admit I could be wrong about YOU also claiming I was mentally ill. If I am wrong, I apologize. But still, it is plain to see that you chose sides.
No matter what Bitner posts, you never disagree, and that smacks of favoritism ... not being fair.
Yes, when I believe I have something to post, I post. You can refer to that determination as "killer" instincts if it pleases you.
So you seem to believe that Bitner HAS an open mind???
I find that issue "debatable."
:)
Ha! June, you stubborn woman, I know you looked and hard. The only side I took was trying to decide whether I still liked you. I tend to still like you, but you do make it difficult at times.

Please keep my sister Bitner, out of "our" conversation. It has nothing to do with her.

“Make time ”

Since: Sep 09

for contemplation

#238450 Oct 13, 2012
Svaha wrote:
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Agreed and how are you?:-)
Svaha!
Almost missed you in the Blizzard named June.

Pretty good, all said. Which is plenty. Although if you would like, I do have a laundry list of petty complaints. I think I'll spare you, though.:-)

How is life treating you?

<3

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238451 Oct 13, 2012
Junket wrote:
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Ha! June, you stubborn woman, I know you looked and hard. The only side I took was trying to decide whether I still liked you. I tend to still like you, but you do make it difficult at times.
Please keep my sister Bitner, out of "our" conversation. It has nothing to do with her.
I did look but I was looking through other posts at the same time, and after a while I got tired of it. I doubt that you stated outright that I have mental problems, but by what you are now posting, it's plain to see that you took the side of your friends, and refuse to discuss the issues.

You can HAVE your sister Bitner.

I intend to keep making it difficult for Wiccans to pretend they are "all that."

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238452 Oct 13, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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No, I did not. I DID, in fact teach them about my religion, teach them about other religions, taught them about Atheism, and told them that it was up to them to decide what was right for them. From the time they were very young. I did nothing to sway them, and encouraged them to listen to their hearts.
So out of the lottery of all religions, and non-religions, your children just happened to choose Wicca and a belief in reincarnation???

:)

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238453 Oct 13, 2012
This Wiccan does not indicate or state that it is just a "belief" on which these statements are made.

TRUTH is the promise.
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Finding The Real Jesus -
The True Message of the Christ

Four Ways to the Truth

Other than a time machine, or instant enlightenment (when all that can be known, is known), we have four main ways to excavate what the Christ really taught...

1.Weeding out the obvious forgeries and looking for corroboration

2.Reading the Direct Translations from the original Greek to modern English

3.Reading the Censored Gospels of his chosen successors

4.Uncovering the Symbolic Meaning

http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/jesus.html

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238454 Oct 13, 2012
The way it was
The way it is
The way it oughta be
There ain't no tellin about some things

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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238455 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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So out of the lottery of all religions, and non-religions, your children just happened to choose Wicca and a belief in reincarnation???
:)
I don't know WHY you keep insisting on bringing up reincarnation. It's not my religion. It's not even something that all Wiccans believe.

And yes, they are Wiccan. Why not? They made their choice, as I've always encouraged them to do.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#238456 Oct 13, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
This Wiccan does not indicate or state that it is just a "belief" on which these statements are made.
TRUTH is the promise.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Finding The Real Jesus -
The True Message of the Christ
Four Ways to the Truth
Other than a time machine, or instant enlightenment (when all that can be known, is known), we have four main ways to excavate what the Christ really taught...
1.Weeding out the obvious forgeries and looking for corroboration
2.Reading the Direct Translations from the original Greek to modern English
3.Reading the Censored Gospels of his chosen successors
4.Uncovering the Symbolic Meaning
http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/jesus.html
LOL, your reading comprehension really sucks.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238457 Oct 13, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I don't know WHY you keep insisting on bringing up reincarnation. It's not my religion. It's not even something that all Wiccans believe.
And yes, they are Wiccan. Why not? They made their choice, as I've always encouraged them to do.
I realize that reincarnation is not a religion. I bring it up only because it's what you and your children believe. I am aware that not all Wiccans believe in reincarnation.

And of course they made the choice you encouraged them to make.

Had you been a Muslim, my guess is, they would all have "chosen" Islam.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238458 Oct 13, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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LOL, your reading comprehension really sucks.
The Wiccan on that site is indicating that if people study the information given ON that site, they will in deed know the true messages given by Jesus.

There is no disputing that issue Bitner.

The site is "Wicca Spirituality

A New Wicca for a New World."

The Concept of bragging about a new religion to create a new world is nothing new. The scam is an old one that has been told many times over by different human-starters of new religious cults.

The Pagan religions are old, but the modernized versions are new and very different than were the old Pagan religions with their sacrifices and fear of nature and the supposed power of that they were certaint he gods held over them.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238459 Oct 13, 2012
and the supposed power they were certain the gods helf over them.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238460 Oct 13, 2012
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