The Supreme Court and same-sex marria...

The Supreme Court and same-sex marriage: High court hears case

There are 15 comments on the TBD.com story from Mar 26, 2013, titled The Supreme Court and same-sex marriage: High court hears case. In it, TBD.com reports that:

The Supreme Court is wading into the fight over same-sex marriage at a time when public opinion is shifting rapidly in favor of permitting gay and lesbian couples to wed, but 40 states don't allow it.

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Sailor Draco

Laguna Hills, CA

#1 Mar 26, 2013
Let onslaught of trolls began.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#3 Mar 26, 2013
Are there not more important things to look at and be concerned with? In the big scheme of things, same sex marriage is a distraction argument.

The people should be paying attention to what banks are doing in Cyprus and the precedent they are establishing by raiding savings accounts.........

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#4 Mar 26, 2013
The New Jersey Governor's resignation because he is gay makes a strong statement against homosexuality. He could have given reason for stepping down as having an affair and not given any emphasis to the gay part, but he chose to identify homoexuality as a violation of public trust by stating it as his reason for leaving public office.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Mar 26, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
Are there not more important things to look at and be concerned with? In the big scheme of things, same sex marriage is a distraction argument.
The people should be paying attention to what banks are doing in Cyprus and the precedent they are establishing by raiding savings accounts.........
What's more important that having your constitutional rights upheld?

Only someone who's never been discriminated against could say something as stupid as you just did.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#7 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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What's more important that having your constitutional rights upheld?
Only someone who's never been discriminated against could say something as stupid as you just did.
You are not understanding what I meant. Right now, this is a non topic for discussion.

However, the precedent that is being established on a global level in Cyprus should be taking notice. Because if the banks can steal everyones money from their savings accounts to cover their losses, what money will you have to fight for constitutional rights?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Mar 26, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
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You are not understanding what I meant. Right now, this is a non topic for discussion.
However, the precedent that is being established on a global level in Cyprus should be taking notice. Because if the banks can steal everyones money from their savings accounts to cover their losses, what money will you have to fight for constitutional rights?
No, for those who care about equal rights it is VERY MUCH a topic for discussion, especially since the SCOTUS is hearing arguments today & tomorrow on the issue.

What good does money do if I have no constitutional rights?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#9 Mar 26, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
Are there not more important things to look at and be concerned with? In the big scheme of things, same sex marriage is a distraction argument.
...
Not so much for the families involved.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#10 Mar 26, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
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You are not understanding what I meant. Right now, this is a non topic for discussion.
However, the precedent that is being established on a global level in Cyprus should be taking notice. Because if the banks can steal everyones money from their savings accounts to cover their losses, what money will you have to fight for constitutional rights?
It's not that much different from what happens to gay married couples every day. We pay MORE in taxes for less representation.
Our tax dollars are used, to the detriment of our own families, to subsidize straight married folks and their families.

That's never a good thing.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#11 Mar 26, 2013
Was Olson asleep during Cooper's argument?

Kennedy told Cooper what "I've been trying to wrestle with" when he asked him if "this can be treated as a gender-based classification?" Cooper answered (lamely) "No."

Olson NEVER addressed Kennedy's expressed concern. OF COURSE it's gender (sex) discrimination -- that's the ONLY basis that legally keeps same-sex couples from marrying: SEX! No state denies gay people from getting married. If it's sex discrimination, then the court must use heightened scrutiny, not rational basis. It must further an important government interest in a way that is substantially related to that interest.

Denying same-sex couples the right to obtain a civil marriage does not further any government interest. Olson dropped the ball by not listening carefully to the one justice who he had to know is critical to his case.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#12 Mar 26, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
Are there not more important things to look at and be concerned with? In the big scheme of things, same sex marriage is a distraction argument.
The people should be paying attention to what banks are doing in Cyprus and the precedent they are establishing by raiding savings accounts.........
I spend 23 hours a day on the Cyprus situation. This is my hour to deal with unconstitutional discrimination.

Is that OK with you?

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#13 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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What's more important that having your constitutional rights upheld?
Only someone who's never been discriminated against could say something as stupid as you just did.
Same-sex marriage has nothing to with constitutional rights. No one is being discriminated against. You're just throwing a fit because you can't get everyone to do things your way.

Perhaps you should try another route. Why not argue that the Government has no right to decide who may or may not marry? Why not argue that people should not be discriminated against based on marital status?

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Mar 26, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Same-sex marriage has nothing to with constitutional rights. No one is being discriminated against. You're just throwing a fit because you can't get everyone to do things your way.
The Supreme Court has ruled on over a dozen occasions that civil marriage is a fundamental right.

Same-sex couples want a civil marriage.

There is no such legal construct known as "same-sex marriage", just as there aren't "interracial marriage" certificates or "interfaith marriage" certificates.
SirPrize wrote:
Perhaps you should try another route. Why not argue that the Government has no right to decide who may or may not marry? Why not argue that people should not be discriminated against based on marital status?
Let's see, nine states and the DC currently recognize civil marriage for same-sex couples.

In exactly how many states does the government have no restrictions on civil marriage? None? What are the odds that ANY state will end all restrictions on civil marriage in the near or foreseeable future? Zero?

Easiest route: overturn DOMA and continued state-by-state recognition until a substantial number of states convince the SCOTUS that denying civil marriage for same-sex couples doesn't further an important government interest in a way that is substantially related to that interest.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#15 Mar 26, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
<quoted text>
Same-sex marriage has nothing to with constitutional rights. No one is being discriminated against. You're just throwing a fit because you can't get everyone to do things your way.
Perhaps you should try another route. Why not argue that the Government has no right to decide who may or may not marry? Why not argue that people should not be discriminated against based on marital status?
it has to do with civil rights. the basic civil right of marriage that homosexuals are denied...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Mar 27, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Same-sex marriage has nothing to with constitutional rights. No one is being discriminated against. You're just throwing a fit because you can't get everyone to do things your way.
Perhaps you should try another route. Why not argue that the Government has no right to decide who may or may not marry? Why not argue that people should not be discriminated against based on marital status?
I'm legally married, yet my marriage is denied equal treatment by the federal govt and by other states solely because of the gender of my spouse.

That's discrimination no matter how you cut it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18 Mar 27, 2013
Deal With It wrote:
<quoted text>I knew you were a rump ranger.
You say that like it's a bad thing!

Out & proud.

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