Chuck Hagel is an Episcopalian?

Chuck Hagel is an Episcopalian?

There are 28 comments on the Religion News Service story from Jan 9, 2013, titled Chuck Hagel is an Episcopalian?. In it, Religion News Service reports that:

When President Obama nominated former GOP senator Chuck Hagel as Defense Secretary there was some murmuring - behind the louder concerns about his past issues with Jews and gays - that Obama was developing a "Military-Catholic Complex" ...

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#23 Jan 13, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Is that why Topix "fired" me instead of Sel Jones?
Oh, wait, Topix didn't fire me, but instead removed Sel as editor of this forum!
Was it because Sel was "a lousy prejudiced editor with absolutely no scruples or morals"?
Just because you can't spell ....don't make this about ME!

I might just be Editor again really soon....when they open up the positions again. Right now they are all closed.

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#25 Jan 14, 2013

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#26 Jan 14, 2013
Don't worry Hagel is Episcopal, not ROMAN!

The REAL headline......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#29 Jan 15, 2013
Natural Law wrote:
Ice fishing in hell. Interesting, very interesting.
A very stupid analogy, especially since there is no hell, at least according to the Bible.

A lovely made up concept to keep the sheeple in line.........
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#30 Jan 17, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
From Forward Day by Day!
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SATURDAY, January 12
Galatians 3:23-29; 4:4-7.* There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
This is a favorite verse of those whose favorite adjective for the church is “inclusive.” They typically want leadership positions opened to persons whom others would bar. The issue today often centers on gender or sexual orientation, but that wasn’t always the issue. In the fourth century, a group called the Donatists sought to bar from church leadership anyone who under threat of persecution had thrown incense on the altar of the emperor, thereby compromising his faith, even if that person had later repented.
Augustine’s teaching eventually carried the day and became the orthodox Christian position. Augustine taught that the character of the priest or bishop has no bearing on the validity of the sacraments, for it is Christ, not the clergy, who acts in the sacraments and validates them. People then, as now, differed about moral questions and whom to ordain, but in any case, nothing a priest or bishop does (and if we’re going to judge our leaders, there’s more than sexual orientation to consider) cancels the promises of Christ.
The Donatists were partly right. Augustine was completely wrong.

The Donatists did not seek to bar the cowardly traitors from leadership positions, but readmission to the community at all. While they should have been readmitted to membership in the community, they should never have been allowed into ANY positions of leadership again.

It was also far more than tossing incense on the altar of a false god. They also surrendered sacred vessels, informed on other members, etc.

Augustine's position, later called "ex opere operato" in Western christendom, laid the foundation for centuries of institutional corruption in both Western and Eastern traditions. Liturgy became magical ritual divorced from the inner economies of the participants and the overseers, presbyters and deacons on the one hand mere role players, and on the other increasingly unaccountable for their actions.

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#31 Jan 17, 2013
interesting take...
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#32 Jan 17, 2013
It's history.

How do WE feel about the breast beating of persecutory closet republicans who get caught toe-tapping or engaging in "research", eh? We say, "ok. You're our brother/sister and you screwed up and hurt a lot of people. Fine. You've gotten honest. That doesn't mean that you get to be one of our leaders."

The Donatists were objecting to persons and behaviors that weren't equivalents of the Vichy and Quisling collaborators with the Nazis but, in some cases, far worse than mere political collaborationists.

The Donatists were essentially correct, they just went too far in delineating the remedy for the injury.

Augustine, a Cappadocian heretic, not merely accepting and promoting the theosis of Yeshua, but going so far as to accept and promulgate homoousios, created a magical relationship to certain of Yeshua's words and actions; leading to the belief that these words, actions and implements were not just magical in themselves, but more essential than the inner economies of persons. The tradition of sacraments and sacramentalism is directly dependent upon this shift away from the message of Yeshua, and it's focus away from such priestcraft and directly onto the individual and the relationships between individuals.

The paradigm introduced by Yeshua was not ceremonial, nor even sacerdotal.
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#33 Jan 17, 2013
Should read:

The Donatists were objecting to persons and behaviors that weren't the moral equivalents JUST of the Vichy and Quisling collaborators with the Nazis but, in some cases, far worse than mere political collaborationists.

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