Rick Warren Describes Pain from 'Hate...

Rick Warren Describes Pain from 'Haters' After Death of Son

There are 149 comments on the Patch.com story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Rick Warren Describes Pain from 'Haters' After Death of Son. In it, Patch.com reports that:

Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren is in pain. Following the Friday suicide of his son Matthew , Warren has been targeted for personal attacks online.

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Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#121 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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Lie. Bigotry against gays and bigotry against blacks is identical.
funny that NONE of the courts see it that way...
but go ahead an jump up and down and insist...

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#122 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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I rad no further than this, if you want to make a point to me behave yourself...
I also bet (but didnt read) that my point went over your head...
No, I got exactly what you said. If you're too much a coward to actually read it, that's your problem. It was truly vile, but I doubt seriously you need to be told this. Going to actually address the issue, or just keep up the crybaby act?

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#123 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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funny that NONE of the courts see it that way...
but go ahead an jump up and down and insist...
What is right and what "courts see" are two very, very different things. You can jump up and down and claim that your discrimination is somehow better than that of the racists of 50 years ago, but it's not. It's exactly the same. It's just as morally repugnant, just as destructive, just as hateful. And the victims just as human.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#124 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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that slippery slope that started with improper federal influence for racial civil rights that you are trying to grease for yourselves?
in other words, you are the slippery slope in action...
next polygamy...
(original opening sentence with editorial comment removed)

Let's see you deal with the actual ISSUE...

There is nothing REMOTELY "improper" about the feds getting involved in civil rights. Black people in Mississippi have the same rights as black people in Oregon or Massachusetts, and when those rights are being denied that is a FEDERAL CRIME.
But it was racist vermin like yourself that really caused it to happen. The white power structure wasn't keen to get involved at all, but between such obvious injustices as white juries setting free people I'm sure you view as heroes like Dynamite Bob Chambliss and Edgar Ray Killen and the uproar over the deaths of white civil rights martyrs like Mickey Schwerner and Andy Goodman and Viola Liuzo and James Reeb, there really was no choice left at all.

Nothing could be a more appropriate use of the federal government than to protect the rights of US citizens when they're being trampled upon. Without the federal government intervention, a lot more people would have been beaten and killed before the change that was inevitable finally was found.
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#125 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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What is right and what "courts see" are two very, very different things..
to a bullshitter, yes they are...
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#126 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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(original opening sentence with editorial comment removed)
Let's see you deal with the actual ISSUE...
There is nothing REMOTELY "improper" about the feds getting involved in civil rights.
federal authority over small local business to cover that agenda is something the courts and we as society are still trying to correct...it was IMPROPER to interfere with PRIVATE business though the aims were noble...
the question asked at the time is where does it end, we are still struggling...
the same was discussed as to Roe!

its not the ends, it was the MEANS...
it opens the door to anyone who feel jilted to claim they are like the blacks were...

when gays have 200 years of institutionalized slavery, MAYBE they would be remotely similar...
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#127 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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Lie. Bigotry against gays and bigotry against blacks is identical.
so is bigotry against the fat and short...go cry me a river...

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#128 Apr 12, 2013
Really? Because courts use the same hate crime laws against those attacking blacks and gays.
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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funny that NONE of the courts see it that way...
but go ahead an jump up and down and insist...
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#129 Apr 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Really? Because courts use the same hate crime laws against those attacking blacks and gays.
<quoted text>
really. since blacks are the standard "suspect classification" and gays aint one at all...

did you even know that petey?

and BTW, whites and straights can use hate crime laws, <RIGHT????
or are they SPECIAL treatment for minorities?
which side of you mouth are you talking with today?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#130 Apr 12, 2013
Under the constitution, rights are not determined by enforced servitude. They are the birthright of every citizen. To deny, however, thay gays have been oppressed over centuries is simply to be ignorant of history.
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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federal authority over small local business to cover that agenda is something the courts and we as society are still trying to correct...it was IMPROPER to interfere with PRIVATE business though the aims were noble...
the question asked at the time is where does it end, we are still struggling...
the same was discussed as to Roe!
its not the ends, it was the MEANS...
it opens the door to anyone who feel jilted to claim they are like the blacks were...
when gays have 200 years of institutionalized slavery, MAYBE they would be remotely similar...

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#131 Apr 12, 2013
We get it...you support bigotry.
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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so is bigotry against the fat and short...go cry me a river...
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#132 Apr 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Under the constitution, rights are not determined by enforced servitude. They are the birthright of every citizen. To deny, however, thay gays have been oppressed over centuries is simply to be ignorant of history.
<quoted text>
under the constitution, there are suspect classification if regarding blacks, and then there are not for gays...
so, you are not he same by definition under the constitution...

the rest of your post needs a small violin playing...
Who said you weren't, I said you were NEVER enslaved in the USA...yet you pretend you are like those who were...
get over yourself!
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#133 Apr 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
We get it...you support bigotry.
<quoted text>
we get it, you turn into a petulant child when you cant make your case...

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#134 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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to a bullshitter, yes they are...
No, to a person with a CONSCIENCE they are. The courts once decided that human beings could be sold and owned as property. That wasn't ever right.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#135 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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What is right and what "courts see" are two very, very different things. You can jump up and down and claim that your discrimination is somehow better than that of the racists of 50 years ago, but it's not. It's exactly the same. It's just as morally repugnant, just as destructive, just as hateful. And the victims just as human.
It shames me that in another 50 years they are going to look back on these times and shake their heads at the nonsense about homophobia and the main stream attitudes will be "what were they afraid of?" The way we read, and feel about, the truly sickening racist rants of famous and politicians of other days.

In last Sunday's LA "Times" they did an article about President Roosevelt's truly SHOCKING anti-Semitic rants. I couldn't believe it and his attitude was NOT that far off from Hitler's. Many Jewish people were TURNED AWAY at the USA shores and sent back to their doom. It made me ashamed for him and the attitudes of the time. I wish I had not seen it, for it dimmed his other triumphs in my eyes.

It's a certainty that I will NOT be here in 50 years, but neither will our name changer in Vermont. My only consolation is that HIS thoughts will be a shameful blot on history. My thoughts will be main stream.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#136 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia--"federal authority over small local business to cover that agenda"
The "agenda" being EQUALITY, the most basic principle upon which this nation was founded.
"is something the courts and we as society are still trying to correct."
They corrected it by ending Jim Crow and saying if you have a business open to the public you may NOT discriminate based upon race. Do so in your private home, if you're so low. You may NOT do so in a business open to the public.
"it was IMPROPER to interfere with PRIVATE business though the aims were noble."
The aims weren't noble, the RESULT was. Equality isn't an "aim" of this nation--it's the law.
"the question asked at the time is where does it end, we are still struggling."
We're still nowhere close to true equality and justice, and meanwhile people like you fight to move us even further backwards.
"the same was discussed as to Roe!"
And, again, it's about simple equality, about women having the same rights to control when and if they want to become parents. About the right of privacy to control their own bodies.
"its not the ends, it was the MEANS..."
And in this case both were correct. There's nothing wrong with the "means" here whatsoever. The purpose of our government is to protect the rights of human beings, and that's what they did here. Peoples' rights were violated, and the government stepped in and (to a too small degree) fixed the problem.
"it opens the door to anyone who feel 'jilted to claim they are like the blacks were...'"
And if the claim is legitimate, moves should be made to fix the problem. If it's not, it won't be. This wasn't about being "jilted," it was about being denied constitutional rights. Just as it is for gay people today.
"when gays have 200 years of institutionalized slavery, MAYBE they would be remotely similar."
Lie. The racism of the 1960s was NOT about "institutionalized slavery" it was about the discrimination that was happening right then and there. Discrimination that is happening right here and now to gay people.
It's pathetic crap to claim that gays don't deserve equality because in some ways the suffering of blacks was worse (especially given how pathetically LITTLE we've done to redress our crimes against them) But if you want to compare suffering, no gays were not ever in slavery. But black people were never kicked out of their homes, they had a family of people around them going through the same thing, not hate from their own parents. No, gays didn't have people denying them the right to an education, or to vote. But blacks never had the church telling them God hated them, or trying to "cure" their blackness. Both groups have faced far too much misery and suffering, instead of holding a contest to try to decide who's is worse, let's FIX THE DAMN PROBLEM.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#137 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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under the constitution, there are suspect classification if regarding blacks, and then there are not for gays...
so, you are not he same by definition under the constitution...
the rest of your post needs a small violin playing...
Who said you weren't, I said you were NEVER enslaved in the USA...yet you pretend you are like those who were...
get over yourself!
Liar. NOBODY ever claimed gays were enslaved.

They ARE discriminated against, JUST as blacks were discriminated against. The comparison is accurate.

And your vile hate and bigotry towards gays is absolutely just as morally repugnant as racism. It's no better.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#138 Apr 12, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
<quoted text>
under the constitution, there are suspect classification if regarding blacks, and then there are not for gays...
so, you are not he same by definition under the constitution...
the rest of your post needs a small violin playing...
Who said you weren't, I said you were NEVER enslaved in the USA...yet you pretend you are like those who were...
get over yourself!
And YER point would be? Slavery was truly horrible, but do you think that is the ONLY injustice on humans?

My parents showed me the deed to their house, bought in the later 40's and it stipulated that they could NOT sell to Asians.

In other days, Irish were thought of as lower class, fit only to be maids or cops. Catholics would NOT be hired at some businesses. We know how Jews were/are treated sometimes. Until the 1920's women were not even allowed to vote.

Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination.
Brian

Attleboro, MA

#139 Apr 12, 2013
Tea Bag Residue Cleanup wrote:
Poor homophobes now whining about, of all things, verbal attacks upon them and how they feel like victims all of a sudden.
How rich. E$pecially in the fraudulent pastor's case.
Really. but they'll never admit that their tactics hurt us for thousands of years.
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#140 Apr 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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No, to a person with a CONSCIENCE they are. The courts once decided that human beings could be sold and owned as property. That wasn't ever right.
My conscience tells me you guys feel entitled to join a club not made for you...so i don't feel bad at all saying you don't belong in that "club".

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