The GOP's Uncomfortable Debate Over Gay Marriage

Feb 25, 2013 | Posted by: DNF | Full story: news.yahoo.com

As Republicans rebound from the 2012 election and plot their future, an uncomfortable debate over gay rights is taking place. Some party leaders are promoting a more inclusive approach to help the GOP modernize its image and reach across the generational divide. Polls show a narrow majority of Americans--and an overwhelming number of young people--think same-sex couples should have the right to marry.

“The marketplace of ideas will render us irrelevant, and soon, if we are not honest about our time and place in history,” wrote former Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman last week in declaring his support for gay marriage. In Minnesota, GOP legislative leaders went so far to assure members of their caucus that they would not face reprisals if they supported a gay-marriage bill, and a Republican state senator is preparing to sponsor the legislation. Similar proposals have attracted bipartisan support in Wyoming and Rhode Island. In Iowa and Indiana, Republican bills to ban gay marriage have been put on the backburner.

“So far, there’s definitely been an absence of this issue being pushed in the media; there’s no antigay marriage drumbeat from the Republican Party,” said Gregory Angelo, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans. “We’ll see what that leads to when there is all the chatter and press and advocacy around the Supreme Court decisions. The party is not in lockstep on this.”

National Journal’s Political Insiders survey last month found that nearly half of Republicans think the topic should be avoided. Nearly three out of 10 said they support same-sex marriage, while only 11 percent are opposed. That’s a big departure from 2009, when half of the Republican Insiders said the party should oppose gay marriage.

To the amused bewilderment of some gay activists, one of the key Republican arguments is that that gay Americans are so powerful that they don’t need special protections. “Gays and lesbians are one of the most influential, best-connected, best-funded, and best-organized interest groups in modern politics, and have attained more legislative victories, political power, and popular favor in less time than virtually any other group in American history,” says the legal brief quietly filed with the Supreme Court.

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Oh, for God's sake. If the LGBTQ community were so dammed powerful, we'd have already achieved full equality under the law, and same sex marriage wouldn't be an issue at all. It would be a done deal.

Cardinal O'Brien of Scotland, a long-standing and virulent homophobe, finally resigned today amidst accusations of inappropriate same sex activities; why can't these uptight closeted Republicans do the same thing and quit obsessing about it?

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I'm a registered Libertarian, and have voted for te Libertarian candidate for POTUS in each POTUS election since 1996.

Having said that, it's long past time that the GOP abandon the embrace of the so-called "Radical Religious Right", who are a small minority of Christians in the U.S., and get back to it's bedrock principles of promoting individual rights and responsibilities, small government, and fiscal responsibility.

If they don't do those things soon, they may certainly face irrelevancy far quicker than they ever dreamed.

And I am NOT a GOP'er.

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The conversation in the GOP has finally begun, but it won't be over for another decade. Of course by then it will be too late to matter, as is part for the course with the GOPasaurs.

Just as they are finally having a "conversation" about hispanics, a decade too late to matter.

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Fa-Foxy wrote:
I'm a registered Libertarian, and have voted for te Libertarian candidate for POTUS in each POTUS election since 1996.
Having said that, it's long past time that the GOP abandon the embrace of the so-called "Radical Religious Right", who are a small minority of Christians in the U.S., and get back to it's bedrock principles of promoting individual rights and responsibilities, small government, and fiscal responsibility.
If they don't do those things soon, they may certainly face irrelevancy far quicker than they ever dreamed.
And I am NOT a GOP'er.
Right, you just keep voting for them, as you've admitted time & time again........

That's because you're a complete moron.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Right, you just keep voting for them, as you've admitted time & time again........
That's because you're a complete moron.
When it's a choice between the GOP and "Joseph Stalin's Party Of Gleeful Pure Evil", well......
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I'm a registered Libertarian.
Registered librarians can vote?
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You certainly had me fooled!
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Next you'll claim you drink beer at church

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Registered librarians can vote?
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You certainly had me fooled!
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Next you'll claim you drink beer at church
Of course they can vote!

The government of Liberia is modeled after the government of the United States; i.e., it's a constitutional republic and a representative democracy, with three branches (Legislative, executive, and judicial).

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You certainly had me fooled!
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Next you'll claim you drink beer at church
Martin Luther DID operate a brewery on the church gronds, and his wife Katie, was the brewmaster. So we are just carrying on a 500 year old Lutheran tradition.

And why wouldn't or couldn't one drink beer in a church ?!
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Martin Luther DID operate a brewery on the church gronds, and his wife Katie, was the brewmaster. So we are just carrying on a 500 year old Lutheran tradition.
And why wouldn't or couldn't one drink beer in a church ?!
500 years!!!
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You're talking some seriously old beer!
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Where did you say Liberia is?

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500 years!!!
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You're talking some seriously old beer!
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Where did you say Liberia is?
I never mentioned Liberia.

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When it's a choice between the GOP and "Joseph Stalin's Party Of Gleeful Pure Evil", well......
Yep, that makes you a Republican as well as a complete moron.

Thanks for proving it once again.

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Yep, that makes you a Republican as well as a complete moron.
Thanks for proving it once again.
Wow. What a big sourpuss you are. I'll bet you don't even sometimes where great big floppy bunnyrabbit feet when having sex.

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Wow. What a big sourpuss you are. I'll bet you don't even sometimes where great big floppy bunnyrabbit feet when having sex.
Yes, I generally dislike morons who support those who would deny us the chance to exist if they could.
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If the Republican Party abandons its defense of "tradional" marriage, it's gonna piss off the relgious right and the tea party. In turn those groups will split off of the Republican's base and start voting for more conservative, independent candidates. All of which is good news for those of us on Planet Sane!

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If the Republican Party abandons its defense of "tradional" marriage, it's gonna piss off the relgious right and the tea party. In turn those groups will split off of the Republican's base and start voting for more conservative, independent candidates. All of which is good news for those of us on Planet Sane!
I don't thnk the so-called "religious right" is big enough to have a significant effect on the Republicans' election prospects.

And the members of the Tea Party (and I'm one of them, and am NOT a Republican. And I NEVER leave my house without wearing my plastic tricorn hat !:)) are, and have been, just as mad at the big-spending Republicans as they are at the insane Democrats (who bought the assest and members of the Communist Party at fire-sale prices when they went out of business).

And the Tea Party often run their own candidates against both the Republicans, and the minority party Democrats. Furthermore, the Tea Party is concerned with fiscal issues, NOT gay marriage and other so-called "conservative" issues that the extreme right-wing religious nuts are always screaming about.

So even if the Republicans come to their senses and embrace marriage equality for ALL citizens, the fact that soem on te extreme right wing gets pissed off, really is not going to affect anything. Where are they going to go ?

For better or worse, we are a two-party country, and it is nearly impossible nowadays for any third party to be competitive on the national front.

But that won't stop me from marching in the streets with my tricorn hat, my AK-47 in one hand, and a beer in the other, supporting the Second Amendment and proudly proclaiming "From my cold dead hands !", and voting Libertarian when I march into that voting booth !

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btw, I moved to southern Arizona from New York last year, after being born there and living there for more than 50 years, and teh culture is a little bit different.

On a number of occassions, I have walked into local government buildings, such as the DMV, the Building Dept. offices, and a few other local government buildings, and I noticed they have these small metal boxes on a pedestal.

They're usually in clusters of 4 on a pedestal, and measure about 6" x 6" x 12" per box. Each box has a lock with a key usually in the lock.

After seeing these for the third time and not knowing their purposes as there was no sign near them, I asked a person at the DMV. She said to me, "Oh, you're not from around here. That's where you place you're pistol and lock it before conducting any business in the building."

They don't do that in New York.

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Fa-Foxy wrote:
btw, I moved to southern Arizona from New York last year, after being born there and living there for more than 50 years, and teh culture is a little bit different.
On a number of occassions, I have walked into local government buildings, such as the DMV, the Building Dept. offices, and a few other local government buildings, and I noticed they have these small metal boxes on a pedestal.
They're usually in clusters of 4 on a pedestal, and measure about 6" x 6" x 12" per box. Each box has a lock with a key usually in the lock.
After seeing these for the third time and not knowing their purposes as there was no sign near them, I asked a person at the DMV. She said to me, "Oh, you're not from around here. That's where you place you're pistol and lock it before conducting any business in the building."
They don't do that in New York.
Don't you find it a little ironic, or totally stupid, that they are yelling for more guns in the schools, and at the same time try to keep firearms away from their beloved politicians?
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Oh, for God's sake. If the LGBTQ community were so dammed powerful, we'd have already achieved full equality under the law, and same sex marriage wouldn't be an issue at all. It would be a done deal.
Cardinal O'Brien of Scotland, a long-standing and virulent homophobe, finally resigned today amidst accusations of inappropriate same sex activities; why can't these uptight closeted Republicans do the same thing and quit obsessing about it?
It is a sad day for America and God when the majority of Americans are for perverted gay marriages
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It is a sad Day for America and God when the majority of Americans are for the perverted gay marriage relation, sick, sick.

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Ron wrote:
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It is a sad day for America and God when the majority of Americans are for perverted gay marriages
Love, marriage, strong families and secure children are "sad"?

That's a sad thought.

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